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I'll just ignore all the nonsense about Oswald and Nostradamus, although it does make me think that you are too far gone to save.

But about the Illuminati - can you see the glaring problem with your reasoning in just the sentence I quoted above? You don't have evidence that the Illuminati even exists, yet you state that it's a "fact" that the Rockefellers are in it. And then from that shaky start, you go on to assert that they may hold some kind of unspecified secrets.

Can you at least see the problem with that?

Rockefeller bloodlines do exist in the at one time illuminati order...they still hold much power be it illuminati secrets or just social pecking order...i wasn't clear enough....their secrets may not be from the illuminati but they are certainly from the social status and involvment in the CRF etc! Why do you ignore this though and speak only on things i am not clear about? yea...are you ever wrong?
 
Could you perhaps post the predictions to which you refer?

I've seen the "Hister" one, although I don't think it clearly refers to Adolf Hitler. I have seen reference to the word also possibly referring to an area of the Danube, and it seems like a pretty round-about way to refer to the second world war.

That's the problem with Nostradamus. Everything is so vague it can refer to lots of things.

So what's the JFK prophecy? I haven't seen that one before.

i must go for now, but i will be on tomorrow or sometime!
you can find those prophecies online..
God bless all!
 
Rockefeller bloodlines do exist in the at one time illuminati order...they still hold much power be it illuminati secrets or just social pecking order...i wasn't clear enough....their secrets may not be from the illuminati but they are certainly from the social status and involvment in the CRF etc! Why do you ignore this though and speak only on things i am not clear about? yea...are you ever wrong?

You're talking a lot about ancient Illuminati bloodlines and world domination-type crap, but providing no evidence for the validity of those theories.
 
Ya, who couldn't believe that then, and then thousands of lives would have been saved....I do wish he would have spoken more clear, but given how close he was in alot of his predictions doesn't that raise atleat one eye brow?
You perhaps should read my post again. His predictions are written so vaguely that it relies entirely on the interpretation of the reader to figure out what is being predicted.

If you doubt this, post up some of your favourite Nostradamus quotes and what they purport to predict and I bet myself or others here can offer up equally valid yet completely different assessments of what it is supposedly being predicted.
 
Rockefeller bloodlines do exist in the at one time illuminati order...they still hold much power be it illuminati secrets or just social pecking order...i wasn't clear enough....their secrets may not be from the illuminati but they are certainly from the social status and involvment in the CRF etc!

With all due respect, I'm confused about how you and some folks like you can believe things like this as gospel with so little evidence. At best you should be agnostic about this whole Rockefeller and Illuminati bloodline stuff.

But, for some reason you accept all of this as a stone-cold incontrovertible fact.

What is your definition of compelling evidence?
 
Could you perhaps post the predictions to which you refer?

I've seen the "Hister" one, although I don't think it clearly refers to Adolf Hitler. I have seen reference to the word also possibly referring to an area of the Danube

I no longer count the howstuffworks.com site as being a credible source. That guy buys into creationism and the 9/11 conspiracy apparently.

How about this one?
Yet another verse mentions a certain "Hister," which some claim refers to Adolph Hitler. In fact, though, Hister is simply the classical name for the Lower Danube, and Nostradamus uses it as such in several instances.
 
Once upon a time there was an evil group of men who enslaved others, actively participated in terrorism, theft, arson and murder. They conspired to change the laws of a neighboring area to fit more to their liking. There was a war that resulted in one major population area being practically burned to the ground.
What am I talking about? The Missouri/Kansas border war, the James Gang and Quantrell's Raiders. My bloodlines can be traced to all that. In the 1850's, Quantrell's Raiders and members of the group that would become the James Gang raided Lawrence, Kansas and burned it to the ground. They were trying to get Kansas admitted as a slave state so their slaves would not have a free state to flee to right at their doorstep. They robbed the banks all around here, including right down the road in Liberty, Missouri. My ancestors were part of this group. So, israelside, am I still to be held accountable for what they did? Does this mean I have access to plans for bank robberies, evil cabals that want to restore slavery, or other evils? You are perfectly willing to brand the Rockefellers on less than this, only because they are guilty of having money. You have made vile accusations of their integrity, honor, and morality based on rumor, innuendo, gossip, and jealousy. They have been deemed guilty on the basis of unfounded paranoia, only because they happen to possibly have relatives generations removed that maybe did bad things. My relatives did much worse, and it's not rumor, it's fact. So maybe I should be rounded up, by your logic.
Think a bit more about what you're saying about these people, and look at what evidence you're using to tar them with. Look at the sources you're getting the information from. Then think about who's being naive, here.
 
Ya, who couldn't believe that then, and then thousands of lives would have been saved....I do wish he would have spoken more clear, but given how close he was in alot of his predictions doesn't that raise atleat one eye brow? Maybe he just didn't know enough...doesn't mean it was wrong or he wasn't credible. I think alot of people in here are too narrow minded, sometimes you must think big..yes to prove something we must have alot of evidence but sometimes we need to connect the tots in order to make the picture make sense. That would never be the case to anyone in here...and that I think is yals mistake.
Nostradamus didn't know anything more about "what is gonna happen yonder" than anyone else.

The esteemed James Randi wrote a book called The Mask of Nostradamus, which I now hold in my hand. You should get a copy. It's 256 pages including index. Even has a separate later-added page of Errata.

Randi also wrote a book called Conjuring which I'm also holding in my hand. 314 pages. More for your education - on how easy it is to fool people. Especially those who wish to be fooled.

Randi wrote another one called An Encyclopedia of Claims, Frauds, and Hoaxes of the Occult and Supernatural. Got that one too, 284 pages. Terrific reference on a plethora of paranormal ploys.

All 3 tomes are even specialer because the big man autographed 'em to me. You can bet I coo about that to my Diary each and every night.

Since you are entranced with Nostradamus, I'd start with that first one and get grounded in a perspective from that of a true skeptic...
 
Anyone have a debunking for the new evidence surrounding professor Jones' findings?

They have a challenge for you!

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2007/220507controlleddemolition.htm
It is his same old story. BTW, Yosemite was hit by thermite the other day; PNAC did it!
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As you have been told, the sulphur is not due to thermite it was due to wallboard. Wallboard is made from gypsum. Gypsum is CaSO4·2H2O. That S is for Sulfur. OMG, the wallboard did it. Sulfur, wallboard, smoking gun. WOW! Wallboard did it, tons of it. (or was it the eggs?)

Did you even read his new/old stuff? If you can not debunk Jones, you can not debunk anyone. (plus if it is from PrisionPlanet it is pre-debunked)
 
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Ok Dave, since you know alot about what was in the WTC or even building 7...what does thermate have in it that would distinguish it out from anything else in the buildings? If nothing, then could you have really prove thermate was in the building? NO i imagine...Where did sulfur exist in the buildings? I understand your logic and it makes sense but answer my question since you know alot about the situation.

Well, no, I don't really know a lot about what was in the WTC buildings, it's just fairly obvious that neither does Jones. I imagine it would be more or less impossible to prove, conclusively, the existence of therm*te in the buildings by chemical analysis, because after all there are less than 100 naturally occurring elements and the ones in therm*te aren't particularly rare. The presence of an element that's present in therm*te is therefore never going to be conclusive evidence of therm*te.

Dave
 
You're right Jim, I don't have conclusive evidence of these things but the fact that the B.I. bloodlines do include the rockefellers hints to the fact that they may hold secrets of upper establishment kings...why do you refuse and ignore any such scenarios?

Because they're nonsense.

You like to think everything and everyone in the world is honest and good and their goals are pure

Strawman. You think everyone's evil ?

but 90+ % of people now know that oswald was the patsy and another gunman was in the grassy knowl..

That's "knoll". A whole lot of people think they know. There is NO evidence to suggest a second gunman. Why would you need one ?

everyone in my family believes it and no way JFK's head can fly backwards like it did in the car

Ever see someone shoot watermellons with a high-powered rifle ?

not to mention the "magic" lone bullet that did all that damage (and went different directions).

Stop watching Kevin Costner movies.

Nostradamus did predict there would be a patsy and another man would escape free in JFK's shooting.

Is there anything you don't believe in ?

Nostradamus' prediction powers, if they existed, would be magic, and therefore a tool of the devil. How can a good christian like you not see that ?
 
Many mysteries exist in the universe...no matter how Nostradamus got his prophecies doesn't matter, the fact if they come true or not is all that matters right?

And how would you know if it came true or not ?

That's like saying an Atheist knew a car was coming straight at you and told you to move out of the way, but since he didn't believe in God I should just keep on walking and get hit.

That's the worst analogy ever.

Sometimes people know things that don't believe exactly how we believe even if it's supernatural...

Just because you guess something right doesn't mean you "knew" it.

You're right, alot of his predictions are vague and might be applied to alot of events but the one about hister and the one about JFK are specific and don't line up with much else of great magnatude...

Why would we expect them to line up with anything ? Seems to me like you simply want them to be true.

too many things line up though to simple ignore it however

A million coincidences still remain coincidences.

Rockefeller bloodlines do exist in the at one time illuminati order...they still hold much power be it illuminati secrets or just social pecking order...i wasn't clear enough....

Evidence ?
 
Once upon a time there was an evil group of men who enslaved others, actively participated in terrorism, theft, arson and murder. They conspired to change the laws of a neighboring area to fit more to their liking. There was a war that resulted in one major population area being practically burned to the ground.
What am I talking about? The Missouri/Kansas border war, the James Gang and Quantrell's Raiders. My bloodlines can be traced to all that. In the 1850's, Quantrell's Raiders and members of the group that would become the James Gang raided Lawrence, Kansas and burned it to the ground. They were trying to get Kansas admitted as a slave state so their slaves would not have a free state to flee to right at their doorstep. They robbed the banks all around here, including right down the road in Liberty, Missouri. My ancestors were part of this group. So, israelside, am I still to be held accountable for what they did? Does this mean I have access to plans for bank robberies, evil cabals that want to restore slavery, or other evils? You are perfectly willing to brand the Rockefellers on less than this, only because they are guilty of having money. You have made vile accusations of their integrity, honor, and morality based on rumor, innuendo, gossip, and jealousy. They have been deemed guilty on the basis of unfounded paranoia, only because they happen to possibly have relatives generations removed that maybe did bad things. My relatives did much worse, and it's not rumor, it's fact. So maybe I should be rounded up, by your logic.
Think a bit more about what you're saying about these people, and look at what evidence you're using to tar them with. Look at the sources you're getting the information from. Then think about who's being naive, here.

The Rockefeller bloodline holds great power, aswell as great corruption aswell as great monetary value. My bloodline goes back to quanna parker, he killed people so does that mean i should be held accountable? No way, that's not the issue...obviously you don't understand the 13 key bloodlines and their influence in the world. True, different generations have different mindsets and goals and should not be held accountable (necessarily) for evils previous generations did, however since they hold great authority aswell as secrets we must consider that when one of them speaks right?? Doesn't mean everything they say comes from that "secret cabal of evil" mindset but it does mean their position on the world stage makes them the first to consider when evil raises or power shifts....its not that complex, why do you assume I am making such bold accusations of guilt (because of family history) even though I have repeatedly said this?
 
As you have been told, the sulphur is not due to thermite it was due to wallboard. Wallboard is made from gypsum. Gypsum is CaSO4·2H2O. That S is for Sulfur. OMG, the wallboard did it. Sulfur, wallboard, smoking gun. WOW! Wallboard did it, tons of it. (or was it the eggs?)

Did you even read his new/old stuff? If you can not debunk Jones, you can not debunk anyone. (plus if it is from PrisionPlanet it is pre-debunked)
even if there was thermate at the WTC i doubt any of the sulphur would still be around, the heat of the thermite reaction would boil the sulphur and probably burn it into sulphur dioxide, which is a gas and would just blow away in the breeze

also interesting is that steven jones cites content of aluminum, iron oxide and barium nitrate, all COMPONENTS of thermate, but not PRODUCTS, hes enver found anything youd expect to be around AFTER a thermite reaction
 
Well, no, I don't really know a lot about what was in the WTC buildings, it's just fairly obvious that neither does Jones. I imagine it would be more or less impossible to prove, conclusively, the existence of therm*te in the buildings by chemical analysis, because after all there are less than 100 naturally occurring elements and the ones in therm*te aren't particularly rare. The presence of an element that's present in therm*te is therefore never going to be conclusive evidence of therm*te.

Dave

If it wasn't for me no one would talk in these forums :) however Dave you are getting at another crucial point, that is, if you can show there is no way to ever prove something like thermate was used in the WTC then you prove it wasn't in there? So if we can't prove it was in there by chemical analysis and we can't prove it wasn't in there because of chemical analysis thennnn that must mean we should trust the government and believe their statements about the events of 911. That's why these things are theories...no one can really prove it (yet atleast) we just hope it's true based off prior knowledge of govts and their actions. Speaking about these things (that can't be proved) really is a waste of time you see why? Why not talk about the known cases of CIA drug smuggling or illegal weapons trades by govt agents and try to convict them? Because we all want to push the envelope and create something more, I am guilty at times but is anyone else in here guilty of that aswell? Sure, we all have bias towards something because of our experience with it and our assumptions on cases based off of those experiences we have had. 911 is very deep and unless we get more evidence (namely a chemical in thermate that is distict from all other chemicals in the WTC) or anything else about 911 we just have to theorize...but that doesn't make the theorist nutty or a wacko...it most likely means they as hoping for something to be true that they have seen before, if you havn't you call them nuts and walk away...
 
even if there was thermate at the WTC i doubt any of the sulphur would still be around, the heat of the thermite reaction would boil the sulphur and probably burn it into sulphur dioxide, which is a gas and would just blow away in the breeze

also interesting is that steven jones cites content of aluminum, iron oxide and barium nitrate, all COMPONENTS of thermate, but not PRODUCTS, hes enver found anything youd expect to be around AFTER a thermite reaction

ok default, help us all out please...be specific

After thermite or thermate reacts what does it produce? Are any of those chemicals distinct to it alone and not to anything else in the WTC? If not, drop the subject. That's simple right? What created the tremendous heat beneath the towers and wtc7 for so long after 911 then?
 
even if there was thermate at the WTC i doubt any of the sulphur would still be around, the heat of the thermite reaction would boil the sulphur and probably burn it into sulphur dioxide, which is a gas and would just blow away in the breeze

also interesting is that steven jones cites content of aluminum, iron oxide and barium nitrate, all COMPONENTS of thermate, but not PRODUCTS, hes enver found anything youd expect to be around AFTER a thermite reaction
Jones' research is absent. Never has he presented more than fluff and rant, but he is so darn personable everyone loves him. He is pure nuts. NUTS

If a 9/11 truth movement follower believes Jones, then they have no facts and cannot think for themselves or others.
 
ok default, help us all out please...be specific

After thermite or thermate reacts what does it produce? Are any of those chemicals distinct to it alone and not to anything else in the WTC? If not, drop the subject. That's simple right? What created the tremendous heat beneath the towers and wtc7 for so long after 911 then?
Jones is nuts. If you believe him you have not researched thermite, or thermate. No you show us what the products are, and you prove it.

You know Jones cannot even calculate the momentum of the fall. A physics guy without the ability to use numbers.

Jones' work is trash. You can not prove any of it. Jones' lies about columns being cut by thermate/thermite, when they were cut during clean up.
 
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