Does anyone else back up William Rodriguez's story?

R.Mackey said:
Kilo for kilo, Avgas contains over ten times the stored chemical energy of TNT. And there were over 25,000 kg of fuel in each crash. That's why.
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I asked a firefighter how hot your basic house fire can get and he told me they often reach 1700 degrees.

This is just your basic "cigarette butt dropped on the couch" scenario. No jet airliner impacts involved.

Thanks to the "cubicle farm" floorplans of modern offices, (most people don't design their living rooms to squeeze in as many wage slaves as possible to maximize the returns on their overhead) you can find all the fuels from a regular house fire (furniture, electronic items, fabrics, miscellaneous plastics, etc...) in much denser concentrations.
 
You'd probably find an office building is also more likely to have stuff made out of synthetic material, while someone at home is more likely to have a real wool carpet and real wooden furniture. Etc.

-Gumboot
 
It seems, that those three stories I posted above are the most commonly used quotes to back up William Rodriguez's story.

A recap:

One spoke of an explosion and something coming from below. He got burn injuries.

One spoke of an explosion, smoke and wind, and thought it had to be a bomb. He had no injuries.

One spoke of something that sounded like a bomb. Saw a huge ball of fire, felt hot air and his hair got burned.


I would say, not much of a case speaking for a bomb. Very much case for a fireball in the shaft.
 
Here is an account of the elevator fall preceding the fuel explosion.

"I got off [the elevator], turned the corner and opened the door to the ladies' room. I said good morning to a lady sitting at a mirror when the whole building shook. I thought it was an earthquake. Then I heard those banging noises on the other side of the wall. It sounded like someone had cut the elevator cables. It just fell and fell and fell.

I began to cry. "Oh, my God, I just got off that elevator!" I said. "That could have been me." I prayed those other people had gotten off on the 48th floor before the elevator dropped. But I didn't have much time to be upset because the building shook again, this time even more violently. The lady at the mirror grabbed onto me and held on for dear life."
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Also there is this:

I saw a couple of elevators in free fall; you could hear them whizzing down and as they crashed, there was this huge explosion...
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Anyway it works out there are many rational, non bomb related, scenarios that could account for what Mr. Rodriguez says he experienced.
 
I thought it was an earthquake. Then I heard those banging noises on the other side of the wall. It sounded like someone had cut the elevator cables.
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So, by 'truther' logic what actually happened was NYC experienced an earthquake localised at the WTC site while simultaneously someone was hacking through the elevator cables in the tower.

And of course we also know that a train fell through the towers and that there was an invisible thunderstorm raging there at the time.
 
Here's a report from someone who I believe also helped Felipe David. Although if he did then Rodriguez seems to have airbrushed him from history:

Kenneth Johannemann
36, janitor at 1 World Trade Center
My shift is 8 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. I'm always on time, but today I got lucky because I went on the 30th floor to get a cup of coffee. If I hadn't gotten that cup of coffee, I would have gotten blown up on the elevator. I was waiting by the elevator to go do the restrooms, and then there was a big bang, and the whole building shook. The elevator door flew open, and a guy stumbled out, and he was badly burned up. It seemed like he was smoldering, almost.
He was a delivery guy. The skin from his wrist was hanging down past his fingertips. He was screaming all sorts of things like, "Bombing! Please get me out of here! I'm going to die!" I took him down the hallway right around the corner to my supervisor's office. Me and another janitor grabbed the man and took him outside, one on each arm. There was an EMS truck already outside, and those guys just grabbed him and pushed us aside. I wish I knew what happened to him, but I have no idea. He was burned up bad but he was still alive. I really hope he survived.
http://web.archive.org/web/20010914...l.com/people/special/0,11859,174555-3,00.html
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MikeW said:
Here's a report from someone who I believe also helped Felipe David. Although if he did then Rodriguez seems to have airbrushed him from history:
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Thanks for that, Mike. I had never heard of that one.
 
ref said:
There is a Youtube video of him. I just can't watch it at work. What happens there, anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMkyLLlowA8
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First he's talking about seeing the second plane hit, I think, then seeing lots of people jumping, knowing they were still alive because he could see them flailing.

Then there's a quick recap of the above story. "The elevator blew up, smoke, I dragged the man out, took him to the ambulance". That's right at the end when he wants to go so he's abbreviating it, I think. I'd go with the print version above for the fullest account.
 
MikeW said:
First he's talking about seeing the second plane hit, I think, then seeing lots of people jumping, knowing they were still alive because he could see them flailing.

Then there's a quick recap of the above story. "The elevator blew up, smoke, I dragged the man out, took him to the ambulance". That's right at the end when he wants to go so he's abbreviating it, I think. I'd go with the print version above for the fullest account.
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Ok, thanks :)
 
Speaking of the elevators falling. Has there ever been an investigation into why these elevators fell? Aren't there supposed to be safety breaks that would prevent them from falling in a catastrophic event, like their cables being severed as they were on 9/11?

I mean it would, in this case, be moot as anyone in them would have been killed by the fireball, but it seems this could have implications for skyscraper safety in general. I don't recall there being anything about the elevator fall cause in the NIST report but I could be wrong as there was a heck of a lot of material to cover.
 
Speaking of the elevators falling. Has there ever been an investigation into why these elevators fell? Aren't there supposed to be safety breaks that would prevent them from falling in a catastrophic event, like their cables being severed as they were on 9/11?
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Thinking out aloud, I suspect the problem was the elevator may have been blown of it's tracks by the force of the impact. The footage I have seen from the lobby of the Tower Two shows a great deal of stress damage to the walls etc. The speed governor probably tripped, but the break clamps had nothing to get hold off
 
Alzke said:
btw I'm agnostic on the CD theories. It's just hard for me to understand how jet fuel from the impact zone so many floors above could cause such massive damage as described ?
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It amazes me how so many conspiracy theorists find it difficult to understand such simple concepts. It's as if their brains are incapable of figuring out things that happen in the world without someone explaining it to them.

I'm willing to bet that most conspiracy theorists assume the jet fuel just fell down the elevator shaft then got ignited when in reality a jet fuel fire ball exploded down the elevator shaft in exactly the same way the fire ball exited the South Tower when the second plane hit. In this case though because of the confined space of the elevator shaft the explosion would have been much more violent.

It's akin to the beams imbedded into the Bankers Trust Building etc, the answer is so simple yet for some bizarre reason they seem incapable of thinking beyond bombs and "inside job".
 
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SLOB said:
Do I remember incorrectly, or didn't mr. Rodriguez statement change from his initial?

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At first he said he heard rumble, like furniture being moved. Later he changed that to explosions, which even threw him up in the air. That would be some violent furniture moving.
 
Travis said:
Speaking of the elevators falling. Has there ever been an investigation into why these elevators fell? Aren't there supposed to be safety breaks that would prevent them from falling in a catastrophic event, like their cables being severed as they were on 9/11?

I mean it would, in this case, be moot as anyone in them would have been killed by the fireball, but it seems this could have implications for skyscraper safety in general. I don't recall there being anything about the elevator fall cause in the NIST report but I could be wrong as there was a heck of a lot of material to cover.
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There are a couple of accounts of elevators freefalling from the 78th floor of one of the towers, they stopped a few feet above the lobby and there were survivors.
 
Travis said:
Speaking of the elevators falling. Has there ever been an investigation into why these elevators fell? Aren't there supposed to be safety breaks that would prevent them from falling in a catastrophic event, like their cables being severed as they were on 9/11?
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There's different types of arresting systems, but I think the thing is the breaks don't kick in immediately - I don't know how the breaks know to trigger, but I suppose it could be if the elevator reaches above a certain speed... I dunno.

Certainly they can't stop the elevator straight away or those inside will be smeared all over the floor.

-Gumboot
 
As far as I know, the only person to corroborate one of Rodriguez's claims was Scott Forbes. However, Rodriguez claimed a power-outage covered the entire complex, where as Scott Forbes only claimed the building was out of power on the top 50 floors of WTC2. Even so, no one in NYC has reported anything similar to either of the two men.

There is however, several explanations for Rodriguez's observations. Particularly to note is his "No one could access the 34th floor" claim, which I believe Gravy will refute in his upcoming paper, so I will not steal the thunder ;)
 
I don't understand why they needed to blow up the basement areas when the planes hit if the CD was going to be from the impact area down.

My script is like this though. The evil -insert group- was robbing the vaults in the basement and needed a diversionary explosion to go off at the same time as thier explosions to open the vault. I win in conspiracy theory 101.
 
gumboot said:
There's different types of arresting systems, but I think the thing is the breaks don't kick in immediately - I don't know how the breaks know to trigger, but I suppose it could be if the elevator reaches above a certain speed... I dunno.

Certainly they can't stop the elevator straight away or those inside will be smeared all over the floor.

-Gumboot
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Gumboot, you can read about elevator safety system here: http://science.howstuffworks.com/elevator4.htm

Hope this helps!
 
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