Does anyone else back up William Rodriguez's story?

[pomeroo]

btw I'm agnostic on the CD theories. It's just hard for me to understand how jet fuel from the impact zone so many floors above could cause such massive damage as described ?

No, you're not "agnostic" at all. When people claim that they're undecided about utter nonsense, they mean that they believe it.

 

[Mr.Herbert]

Do I remember incorrectly, or didn't mr. Rodriguez statement change from his initial?

/S

Yes this is true.. Willie gave an interview to CNN on September 12th 2001.

In part:

William Rodriguez worked on the basement level of the north tower and was in the building when the first plane struck his building.
"We heard a loud rumble, then all of a sudden we heard another rumble like someone moving a whole lot of furniture," Rodriguez said. "And then the elevator opened and a man came into our office and all of his skin was off."

I can't post URL's yet:

archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/11/new.york.terror/

 

[A W Smith]

I can remember reading somewhere about an elevator in the empire state building failing. something about it falling fast enough to float objects or people in it. Was it here at jref? a link anbody?

 

[gumboot]

I can remember reading somewhere about an elevator in the empire state building failing. something about it falling fast enough to float objects or people in it. Was it here at jref? a link anbody?

That would be when the B-25 hit the building - they loaded someone inot an elevator and all the cables snapped. It's the world record for the highest survived free fall in an elevator by a human.

Both the elevator and the person would be falling at 9.8ms² so I guess they would appear to float relative to the elevator car.

-Gumboot

 

[Travis]

That would be when the B-25 hit the building - they loaded someone inot an elevator and all the cables snapped. It's the world record for the highest survived free fall in an elevator by a human.

Both the elevator and the person would be falling at 9.8ms² so I guess they would appear to float relative to the elevator car.

-Gumboot

If that were me I'd need a new pair of pants afterwards.

I seem to recall NIST mentioning that after the 1993 bombing the emergency power supply to the elevators were relocated to the top of the buildings.

Talk about tragic fate.

 

[volatile]

That would be when the B-25 hit the building - they loaded someone inot an elevator and all the cables snapped. It's the world record for the highest survived free fall in an elevator by a human.

Both the elevator and the person would be falling at 9.8ms² so I guess they would appear to float relative to the elevator car.

-Gumboot

Mythbusters covered this in quite some detail in Season 2, Episode 2... (video here)

 

[FramerDave]

a 50 ton(tonne?) hydraulic press isn't as big as you think, i'm guessing this is the confusion. it confused me at first.

Part of the confusion is the fact that the 50 ton part of it describes the amount of pressure it can produce, not the weight of the machine itself. It was most likely significantly less.

Someone may have mentioned this, but I didn't read every post.

 

[The Demon's Head]

No.

The fact that no one collaborates it proves that everyone else has been paid off, which proves it was an inside job.

-Gumboot

Isn't that what the truth group's theories are based on?

 

[gumboot]

Isn't that what the truth group's theories are based on?

Pretty much.

-Gumboot

 

[water_bender]

marlene cruz, hursley lever, arthur del bianco, arturo griffin, and port authority transcript 49. thre are several other port authority transcripts that coorberate rodriguez as well, but i am not 100% on which of the 50 other than number 49

 

[MIKILLINI]

A 50-ton press is not large by any means. It would weigh about as much as the 300 lb. fire door, if not a little more.

This would be a good example; http://www2.northerntool.com/product-1/475.htm

 

[LashL]

marlene cruz, hursley lever, arthur del bianco, arturo griffin, and port authority transcript 49. thre are several other port authority transcripts that coorberate rodriguez as well, but i am not 100% on which of the 50 other than number 49

None of Ms. Cruz, Mr. Lever, Mr. Delbianco, or Mr. Griffith (not "Griffin") say that there were bombs or explosives emanating from the sub-basement levels, nor do any of them say that there were explosions prior to the airplane hitting the tower.

Ms. Cruz was in the elevator with Mr. Griffith. Both she and Mr. Griffith describe fire coming down the elevator shaft after the elevator fell several floors. Neither describes any explosions occurring prior to the airplane striking the tower, nor do they describe any explosions coming from below.

Mr. Delbianco was around the 70th floor when the airplane struck. He subsequently went down to the basement levels. He describes no explosions prior to the airplane striking the tower, nor does he describe any explosions coming from below.

Mr. Hursley was in the B4 level when the airplane struck, and thought that a transformer had blown up; subsequently, he encountered a "big ball of fire" which is consistent with the other accounts. He describes no explosions prior to the airplane striking the tower, nor does he describe any explosions coming from below.

Kindly provide a link to the Port Authority transcripts that you are talking about.

 

[uk_dave]

bump

Kindly provide a link to the Port Authority transcripts that you are talking about.

 

[LashL]

I just noticed an error in my prior post, but as it is too late to edit, I will post the correction here.

In the penultimate paragraph, I wrote, "Mr. Hursley" when I should have written "Mr. Lever". I had it right in the first paragraph, but for some unknown reason, transposed his first name and last name in the later reference.

 

[Undesired Walrus]

btw I'm agnostic on the CD theories.

Hello you!

 

[PhantomWolf]

btw I'm agnostic on the CD theories. It's just hard for me to understand how jet fuel from the impact zone so many floors above could cause such massive damage as described ?

Here's a gif of a BLU-96 FAE, it's only 2,000lb. A 767 with half full tanks has somewhere in the range of 80,000 pounds of fuel.

 

[WildCat]

I'm willing to bet that most conspiracy theorists assume the jet fuel just fell down the elevator shaft then got ignited when in reality a jet fuel fire ball exploded down the elevator shaft in exactly the same way the fire ball exited the South Tower when the second plane hit.

Actually, I think it did spill down the shaft and ignite a few seconds later. NIST estimates that 1/3 of the fuel burned in the initial fireball (because the oxygen immediately available was soon depleted), leaving the rest to flow where it may and burn later.

 

[Swing Dangler]

Well a cave in a B-4 and the PATH plaza support Willie's statements. Not only that, a destroyed machine shop as well as a parking garage confirm it as well. Lets not forget destroyed and cracked walls as well.
Now is it not strange that a fireball traveling that far down a single shaft doesn't destroy floors,walls and shafts all the way down?

Common sense and logic will tell you that a fireball did not create the damage in the sublevels as far down as B-4. Arthuro Griffith the operator of the only elevator whose shaft reached the impact floors to the lowest part of the basement where massive damage was witnesses suffered no injuries from a fireball while in his elevator. If the fireball myth were true, he would be dead.

 

[LashL]

Well a cave in a B-4 and the PATH plaza support Willie's statements.
Source: Port Authority transcripts.

You'll have to be much more specific, SwingDangler.

I.e. What is this "cave in a B-4" of which you speak? How does the "PATH plaza support [Rodriguez's] statements"? And which portion of the Port Authority transcripts are you referring to?

 

[CHF]

Well a cave in a B-4 and the PATH plaza support Willie's statements.
Source: Port Authority transcripts.

You gonna feed that paper of yours to the lions, Swing?