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In fact, in my experience, most government agencies are BEHIND the technology due to how they procure stuff and the contract requirements. Have you ever taken a look at the computers on the shuttle? Not exactly what one would call up to date.
 
Slayhamlet said:
Because the claim is ridiculous on its face, and only a very silly person would entertain it. For one thing it's extremely vague and not even falsifiable. How can you say they have technology 10 years in advance when you don't even know what technology will be like 10 years down the road? And which kinds of technologies are speaking of, exactly? Surely you can't mean all of them. And 10 years in advance of whom? The rest of the civilized world? This is demonstrably false in many cases.

With the advances in digital information storage, for example, even the very best data storage devices the CIA had 10 years ago were not anywhere near the physically compressed size of similar devices with the same storage capacity being used by the general public today (think iPods). I'm sure there are hundreds of other examples. The CIA is really not that far ahead of the curve in terms of most technologies.
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[pedant mode] It is impossible for the CIA, or anyone els, for that matter, to have "technology 10 years in advance ".
The logic behind that is that they actually have it. So it cannot be 10 years advanced from what they actually have, since they actually have it now.
Even if they had a time machine, and went 10 years ahead and stole the technology from then, theey would, indeed, have it now, not then, therefore, it would be today's technology, not 10 years from now's technology[/pedant mode]:boggled: :confused: :p
 
slyjoe said:
In fact, in my experience, most government agencies are BEHIND the technology due to how they procure stuff and the contract requirements. Have you ever taken a look at the computers on the shuttle? Not exactly what one would call up to date.
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This mimics my experience in the "Nuclear Navy". You would think that an "advanced technology" such as that would have all kinds of exotic things attached to it. There were some alloys and things that you might not see elsewhere, but for the most part it was stuff that was old technology, like magnetic amplifiers, regular old steam plant equipment, stuff like that. A boiler technician from the Titanic would have been right at home in the engine room of a nuclear submarine.
Ten years ahead? It is to laugh!
 
Look, it's quite simple. The NWO prevents anyone outside of themselves from developing any technology that is w/in 10 years of what the NWO currently has. Ergo, the NWO is current, everyone else is 10 years behind.
 
Zep said:
Liar. What a load of bovine excrement. No-one who wanted to attend Baylor would have been admitted if they had such poor grammar and expression skills as you have exhibited here. Even less so given the dogged avoidance of basic research skills. Not to mention (and I mean: NOT to mention) your cognitive skills, and your abilities to construct and defend arguments.

If you are at Baylor, show us a scan of your student ID.
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To be fair, when I lived in Waco (shudder) I knew some profoundly stereotypical "dumb blond" types who attended Baylor. I'm talking about "Australia is part of Europe because they speak English but aren't Americans" levels of dingy ignorance.
 
negativ said:
To be fair, when I lived in Waco (shudder) I knew some profoundly stereotypical "dumb blond" types who attended Baylor. I'm talking about "Australia is part of Europe because they speak English but aren't Americans" levels of dingy ignorance.
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When I was in my second semester of university, I took a basic course on policing/criminal justice. The first day of class, when the professor announced the course name to make sure everyone was in the right room, some moron stood up and yelled out "I ain't here to be no cop."

Indeed.

Considering the courses were designed to basically teach the students how to research and understand law enforcement topics and not make the them into police officers, his comment simply seemed all the more bone-headed.
 
israelside said:
I responded....kids don't do that, they don't listen to people. Wait, you never responded to my question, how do you know the CIA doesn't have technology 10 years in advanced?
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Because it would be in wide use in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere.

If the CIA had magic L. Ron Hubbard technology, what good would it be if it wasn't used? Maybe they just prefer to sit around and think about it?
 
negativ said:
Because it would be in wide use in Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere.

If the CIA had magic L. Ron Hubbard technology, what good would it be if it wasn't used? Maybe they just prefer to sit around and think about it?
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Maybe they used it and then used other technology to make it look like they never used it.

Oh wait, that doesn't really prove anything and I might as well argue everyone but me is an evil space alien.

Get your damn alien hands off me!
 
If the CIA has technology that is ten years advanced from what is current, why would the government want to get thousands of years old Sumerian technology from earlier in the thread?
 
Disbelief said:
If the CIA has technology that is ten years advanced from what is current, why would the government want to get thousands of years old Sumerian technology from earlier in the thread?
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Because time is circular! Wooo wooo wooo!
 
I work with technologies that are 10 years advanced from what is current.

Trouble is, it'll be 10 years before the technology is in a form that is useful to anyone.
 
The 10 years in advance argument is nonsense.

Consider the most advanced, sophisticated aircraft in the USAF.

The Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit was introduced in 1997. Its maiden flight was in 1989. It's unknown when the B-2 projected started precisely, but it was in the early to mid 1980's.

The Lockheed Martin F-22 Raptor was introduced in 2005. Its maiden flight was in 1990. The project for the Y-22 started in 1986.

The Lockheed Martin F-35 Lightning II project was started in 1996, with its maiden flight only 6 months ago. It is scheduled to become operational in 2011.

The Bell-Boeing V-22 Osprey project started in 1980's. Maiden flight was 1989, and it was introduced in 2005.

These aircraft are at the absolute cutting edge of modern technology. As you can see, the technology is at least 10 years old by the time it is actually used operationally.

-Gumboot
 
f'give me if this has already been mentioned, but my eyes totally glazed over halfway through the thread, but the whole woo-military-ten-years-ahead-of-us thing was pretty much launched around the time of the Bob Lazar area 51 tale. Reversed engineered alien tech, innit. Obviously. Either that or it was the Behold a Pale Horse book, or John Lear blahblahblah. Those pesky grey space-jews have been helping to pimp our airforce since whenever, basically.
 
What I don't understand is how this information is supposed to help the CIA.

If the law limits what they can do, it limits what they can do, advanced technology or not. Or did I miss the subsection of the law that said "No spying on peeps in teh USA unless you're using teh sooper sekrit alienz technolog0r LOLZ!11!!!!!1!!!OMG!!@@#!#@

-Gumboot
 
JonnyFive said:
I think you should consider taking a upper-level course in terrorism/counter-terrorism or something similar at Baylor, if they offer such a course. It might give you some insight into how difficult it really is to figure out what is going to happen, before it happens.

Although it is tempting to say, post hoc, that everyone should have predicted and prevent 9/11 (and, correspondingly, their failure to do so indicates something odd), it doesn't match up with reality. In real life, the act of preventing terrorism is extremely difficult and time-consuming. Terrorists tend to operate on the fringes in small groups, lacking the kind of infrastructure that can be readily observed by intelligence agencies in order to get a clear picture of what's going on.

It's difficult to pick out the significant stuff unless you get lucky and have good intel.

9/11 may have been big, but it really wasn't that complex. It exploited several major weaknesses in the US system, which is something many terrorists are painfully good at. After the fact, it's easy to say "yeah, we probably should've detained this guy" and all, but at the time it wasn't so obvious.
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I am not saying the CIA or anyone else needs magic or mind readers to disolve future terrorist attack, but based on numerous articles and intel the agencies likely had prior to 911, the attacks should have been predicted within a few months...alex jones even predicted it in july...or he hinted at a possible event. Does problem, reaction, solution ring bells with any of you "sophisticated" minds in here? How about false flag operations? Could it ever be possible that our govt "allowed" or "orchestrated" such actions in order to fulfill their own goals....remember, "we can use these attacks for a nwo". I believe a power trip is what these people want (the ones in power), and they will stop at nothing to get it...sometimes the ties to events in the world are wrongly associated with the elite, but the big events usually are correctly tied to them!

I will get more evidence of the 10 yr advanced technology by our govt....any currect workers can speak up now ;)

So, by one of your comments, in order for us to prevent most attacks we must get lucky and have good intel? gee thanks, but you are right in the fact that if someone really wants to hurt you, you can't do much (if anything) about it, I aint that dumb.

I guess my feeling is, where do we draw the line and say, Frank you're fired for not getting the correct intel and capturing that guy before he blew up the nuclear plant? Do we hire people into intel communities to give them a free pass? If they get it right (lucky like you say often times) then they get a raise or just a high five, but if they get it wrong do we just pat them on the back and say you'll get 'em next time ole chap? Where is the line drawn? I guess you can't tell if an intel agent really ISN'T doing his job unless you know something that he should, and then you see him screw up at it? How do we know if the guy is failing at his job, or just not getting enough info to do his job? People should always be held accountable, and more people should take actions for the correct thing!
 
israelside said:
I am not saying the CIA or anyone else needs magic or mind readers to disolve future terrorist attack, but based on numerous articles and intel the agencies likely had prior to 911, the attacks should have been predicted within a few months...
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The key thing here is not predicting attacks, but rather predicting what kinds of attacks, carried out when, and by what methods.

Without these latter elements, the prediction isn't all that helpful in stopping an attack. Unless one believe just general heightened security would be enough to thwart things...
 
The Doc said:
I've seen 15 year olds outsmart 50 year olds israelside, and I've also seen 50 year olds who are far more computer savy than their 15 year old kids. Age has nothing to do with anything unless you are using an ad hominem style of argument.
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You are using an argument that doesn't say the whole truth...i did, if you won't take my comment out of text. I said, older people FOR THE MOST PART arn't as computer savy as younger folks...i didn't say ALL ARE NOT. Looking to refute me anyway you can, I am beginning to think this forum is only for 1 sided thinkers...no one in here has stood up on my side, I am not whining, I am just speaking the truth! How would you like going into a forum and no one agreeing with you much, or atleast giving you credit for the things you are correct at? I have more guts than most of you all put together!!
 
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