NIST doesnt release their computer models (now they've done it!)

You said "The Nazi's were big believers in experts and a scientific answer for every question."

I replied "They were also firm believers in the idea that Berlin is in Germany. What’s your point?"

I cannot see how your comment about things going over my head and history books is relevant. Can you explain what you meant please?

My mistake. Under your name I see "new blood".

Yes I believe you are right. The Nazi's were aware that Berlin was in Germany.

My point about "experts" and "scientic answers" was directed to the obsession here among the diehards that experts and scientists can explain everything about 9/11 with no lingering doubt.

The Nazi's had a similar belief in their infallibility and that was great, for them, until they lost the war.

We all human. You might think 9/11 Truth Seekers are all "troofers" and "tin hatters" but that kind of simplistic thinking describes the Nazi attitude towards the Jews. It worked while they had control, but when the tide turned, as I expect it will in the 9/11 truth movement...well you draw your own conclusions Socrates.

MM
 
Tax dollars have already paid for that work. Do you like paying for things twice?
I do not want to pay for my tax dollars being wasted. So if you want something you can pay for it. But then have you asked NIST why they have to charge for what ever they are charging?

NIST has done a job and you can get the results you paid for at the NIST site now. I do not understand why anyone needs NIST to prove the WTC was fallen by a plane and fire. Simple physics and energy can be done on paper to show that what we all saw on 9/11 was capable due to just gravity, fire and impact. There are only a handful of engineers who are truthers and they have got 9/11 wrong. If we need a NIST model to help see the lies of the 9/11 truth movement we are lost.

Write to NIST and you can ask them why, and we can stop making up more junk about it.
 
Now you are stretching. Scoring points is always more important isn't it.

The models have been paid for. NIST has no reason to charge.


How is that stretching it? If your haven't paid taxes, whether you're unemployed, ducking taxes, are unemployable, or from another country - you're expecting FOI related work to come to you for free.....including shipping charges, cost of media, labor, etc....
 
In addition, government agencies regularly charge for things. If you request maps from the Park Service, there will be a charge. If you request elevational data models from the US Geological Survey, there will be a charge. Heck, even most state and national parks charge entry fees. Why would this be any different?
 
Because the NIST model is a sham! That's right, it's all BS. They put a $58 price on it because they know troofers can't afford it. That's their way of saying "we have evidence but we won't show you." The NWO did extensive studies to find out exactly how much a troofer wouldn't pay for evidence.
 
My point about "experts" and "scientic answers" was directed to the obsession here among the diehards that experts and scientists can explain everything about 9/11 with no lingering doubt.

The Nazi's had a similar belief in their infallibility and that was great, for them, until they lost the war.

We all human. You might think 9/11 Truth Seekers are all "troofers" and "tin hatters" but that kind of simplistic thinking describes the Nazi attitude towards the Jews. It worked while they had control, but when the tide turned, as I expect it will in the 9/11 truth movement...well you draw your own conclusions Socrates.

MM
No you need facts and evidence not experts to support anything to do with 9/11. The truth movement has no facts or evidence.

The NAZIs were flawed and burned books, the anti-intellectual supreme dolts.

The tide will always be out for the 9/11 truth movement. Not a fact to be seen and never to be found as the tide dries up after 5 years. When the tide rushes in it will be knowledge and logic and it will cleanse those willing to learn of the 9/11 truth cult organism of ignorance that Dylan has proclaimed to be. Freeing all truthers to be rational intelligent people who can identify the fraud of LC.
 
The Models would be files.

The parent application is the only thing that should require purchase!

MM

Tax dollars have already paid for that work. Do you like paying for things twice?

The models would be useless to the general public. There is no reason to provide a server, space, man hours, and data storage overhead for large files that very few people would download. If you had the software to run the models than it is presumed you are a professional and using the models commercially. if you had paid the typically exorbitant price for the software than the small fee associated with processing the FOI request would be small change for a design professional or engineer. Another thing to consider is that intelligent engineers and architects would not need the models anyway. They can research the freely available data from the models provided within the NIST documents themselves. which I might add. are available for free.
 
My mistake. Under your name I see "new blood".

Yes I believe you are right. The Nazi's were aware that Berlin was in Germany.

My point about "experts" and "scientic answers" was directed to the obsession here among the diehards that experts and scientists can explain everything about 9/11 with no lingering doubt.

The Nazi's had a similar belief in their infallibility and that was great, for them, until they lost the war.

We all human. You might think 9/11 Truth Seekers are all "troofers" and "tin hatters" but that kind of simplistic thinking describes the Nazi attitude towards the Jews. It worked while they had control, but when the tide turned, as I expect it will in the 9/11 truth movement...well you draw your own conclusions Socrates.

MM

Wow.

In one sentence you snub your nose at people who dare rely on science and facts, and in the next you claim that they're Nazi's for believing in such things.

Tell me, how strong is your belief that science should be abandoned? And, more to the point- what method of investigation should it be replaced with?

Gut instinct? How about coin flips? Faith? Is the truth in the stones, MM?
 
Wow.

In one sentence you snub your nose at people who dare rely on science and facts, and in the next you claim that they're Nazi's for believing in such things.

Tell me, how strong is your belief that science should be abandoned? And, more to the point- what method of investigation should it be replaced with?

Gut instinct? How about coin flips? Faith? Is the truth in the stones, MM?

So long as the result is something other than what they think, they will continually attempt to find "holes" in the methods, real and factual or not, and spout them as proof something is fishy.
 
Jeeze louise Maragememories you expressed bemusement in another thread when I accused you of being ideologically biased, based on a few months reading of your posts.

I would like to invite anybody who reads even this thread to clam differently.
 
The Nazi's thought they were right.

The Nazi's thought they were good people.

If you could step back and take some perspective on your posts T.A.M. you might better understand.

MM

You think you are right. I'm sure you also think you're a good person. Hence, you're just like the Nazis. Brilliant!
 
Nbachmann..kind of figured him for a PDoh puppet. He seemed to engage in a dialogue with me that was too familiar for a supposed newbie.

TAM:)
 
I find people who believe in lies are always insulting me by repeating them. The fact is a plane hit the WTC tower, fire broke out and the towers fell. Simple math and physics can confirm there was more than enough energy involved to cause what happen on 9/11 without planted explosive what would have cooked off in the fires anyway and not of worked as excepted. Planted explosive is the wildest idea there is and actually makes the person who says it was explosives a fool and a liar for not having proof or evidence.

The fact is the impact of flight 175 was had the energy of 2200 pound of TNT, more than enough to cut every single steel column in the WTC. The fact is steel is weakened in fire, a lot. The fact is the towers fell and destroyed themselves, this is a fact and it backed by physics and science.

You have no facts or physics or math to support your ideas. The fact is the energy of the WTC towers falling each was 250 tons of TNT. That is why ground zero looks like it was bombed with 2000 500 pound bombs.

Take your choice did the WTC look like 500 2000 pound bombs or 2000 500 pound bombs? Can you sum up your conclusions on this topic and what facts do you have to support them?

You have not even acknowledge the dust at the WTC was also wallboard, glass fibers and dust from ceiling tiles, dust from glass windows, dust from insulation, why?

You do not even tell us when the photo was taken, what date, and how much clean up had already take place. You failed to present photos of a large building in ruble 7 stories high and steel and concrete sections, large and looming all over the 19 acres the WTC towers destroyed. Two acre buildings dropped debris over 19 acres damaging many buildings all around. Do not present out of context photos and present shallow research and make wild conclusions that are false. Please do more research and explain why you make statements with no facts or evidence.
NIST theory is a theory, not fact, it's based on some facts like the mass of the WTC, but it's a theory. If you can't understand that we have a problem.

For the photo, there is some interesting here, I can't copy any on the forum, the photo were taken the day of the collapse.

http://www.time.com/time/photoessays/shattered/2.html

By the way, the peak temperature in the WTC is not a fact, it's speculation based on simulation and observation.

And the energy that you talk about is for the first impact, it could be true because the upper part was in one piece, so it hit whit all his mass, but after many impact, only steel debris, powder and small concrete rock left no math or physic is required to notice, open your eyes. Nothing else is needed. Powder and debris don't bring down building completly.
 
Tabouère, your English is unintelligible.

Could you write your last paragraph in French so I could try to translate?
 

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