Rant about the Humanist Conference

"Secular" specifically means non-religious.

I'd rather separate morality from both secularism and religion altogether. Being either secular or religious has nothing to do with whether you are moral or not.
I could be wrong, but I suspect there are some people who believe in a deity, participate in a pseudo-religious humanistic congregation, and yet do not claim to derive their morals from their deity - they derive them this secular groundwork. So, the "religion" they practice takes on more of a personal-comfort role.

I agree, but that means that e.g. the Catholic Church should have no political, economical or otherwise power. And how can you have a CC without those? How will you achieve it?
All of those churches would, more or less, go into the business of personal comfort, I guess. Perhaps something closely akin to the entertainment industry, but of a more personal and psychologically necessary (for some people) nature.

Also, as a reminder, I did correct that part of my writing by pointing out that most Humanists probably are atheists, or at the very least agnostics.

I agree with the first point, to some degree, but the second would infringe on freedom of speech. Freedom of speech gives you the right to lie.
The Freedom of Speech applies to government intervention. As a collection of private, non-government organizations, the Humanist movement does have the right to say "we will not support any group that tries to make claims of fact that are clearly and demonstratably false", if it wants to.

The inherent problem with religious beliefs is that you can't really just hold your faith to yourself, can you? If you truly believe in a supernatural, all-knowing, all-powerful being, and hence hold the explanation to the whole universe, how can you reconcile that with other people's different beliefs?
Not all people who believe in God believe theirs is the One True God. Many believers are willing to admit that there are many equally "legitimate" ways to praise the Lord.

It is quite alright to tell people they are "stupid" for their beliefs, as long as we explain why we think so.
There could be issues of diplomacy, here. It might be a better strategy to reverse the steps: Do not call them "stupid" right off the bat. Instead, just give them a little education, and let them try to discover for themselves that their ideas could be called stupid.

But if they, after learning and understanding why they are wrong, still cling on to their beliefs, then it is fair to call them stupid.

Actually, it's worse than being stupid - it's being willfully stupid. They choose deliberate ignorance over knowledge.

And, are we not justified to call that immoral?
That could well be true, but I think morality could best be "measured" in the actions one takes, not in where they claim those morals came from. If one acts like a very good, moral person, even if their beliefs are based on "stupid" ideals, I don't think you can generally call them immoral.

How can one religious belief not be disrespectful of other religious beliefs? Either you believe that you hold the one true belief, or you have to acknowledge that your religious beliefs about how the universe is, is solely your perception of it - and hence, you can't claim an ulterior god.
As I stated earlier, some folks have no problem believing in a god or deity of some sort, and claim nothing more than it being their own perception.

Rather than saying that spirituality is a part of our long evolution heritage, I would say that it is a bad side effect of our evolving into humans.
Sure, it ended up acting as a bad side effect, in the end. That does not diminish the importance of acknowledging that spirituality is integrated into our evolution, and it is simply not that easy to shed off completely.

Although is it not the goal of Humanism to get rid of all religion, in a way Humanism might be the best bet for accidentally having it got rid of. Here's an analogy to think about:
Most people who have successfully quit smoking, have done so by slowly weaning themselves away from the habit, rather than just up-and-quitting cold turkey.

Perhaps the best strategy for ridding the world of religion is to allow it to get weaned away, slowly, generation by generation.
If you attempt to up-and-rip-out religion from the people, cold turkey, you are going to get a lot of resistance, and it could backfire: Many people will cling to their beliefs even stronger, if they feel they are threatened.
I say let religion fade away, slowly, in an evolutionary process, much like how it got into our mentality, in the first place. Humanism could be a step in that process: It could end up functioning like a nicotine patch.
 
What is a "militant" atheist?

See the responses in bpesta's link.

These are the people Sherwin Wine referred to as "the wounded." They are not going to get the many secularized religious people in this country to realize that they are, in fact, humanists.
 
Say, does anyone remember the name of the tour guide, on Firday? I can't make out the writing of my own notes: It seems to be Steven-something?

I was going to say Steven Colbert but I know that's just wishful thinking.


And yes, I know it's spelled out as "Stephen".
 
Tom Ferrick went up to the mic and did a "blasphemy challenge" thing, saying that there was no such thing as the Holy Ghost and that if Jesus had existed, he was not a deity, etc.. Then he said that he had just broken the blasphemy law of Massachusetts, and he could be fined $100. He ended with "Come and fine me, you sons of bitches!"
I wish I had been able to see that. I left at 9:45, figuring (correctly) that Dar Williams wouldn't perform before 11, having a 45-minute drive home, and wanting to get up early to see E.O. Wilson in the morning.

The Freedom of Speech applies to government intervention. As a collection of private, non-government organizations, the Humanist movement does have the right to say "we will not support any group that tries to make claims of fact that are clearly and demonstratably false", if it wants to.
Another misunderstanding that people often have is thinking that Freedom of Speech means you can force a government or private group or person to provide you a platform for your speech. A person or private organization can ban you from their group or location if they don't like what you're saying. A government can also charge a fee for certain events, a parade permit for instance, as long as they treat everyone the same. They are not violating the First Amendment if they refuse to give a group a parade permit for free.
 
I just remembered...
What was up with Miss New Hampshire?
Why'd she introduce us to the Samford people?
And why did we have a video conference for 5 min with the Samford people????????
That totally confused me.
 
I'd like to see more photographs is people have them.

I think Scott took one of us in church, and I know wowbanger took some.
 
She was Miss Rhode Island, and also an officer (president?) of a Harvard secular group. E.O. Wilson was speaking at the Stamford conference. I think the video conference was an attempt for publicity, letting Greg Epstein show the size of his conference and claiming his conference dialogued with the Southern Baptists' conference, or something.

Kitty -- I'll post photos tonight.
 
I just remembered...
What was up with Miss New Hampshire?
Why'd she introduce us to the Samford people?
And why did we have a video conference for 5 min with the Samford people????????
That totally confused me.

It was Miss Rhode Island, who is famous for speaking out about global warming at the pageant last year, and who is now a student at Harvard.

I assume that she was there because of her stand on global warming (which was the topic of the conference in Birmingham), and because she's cute and articulate. (I doubt that she's a humanist, but I don't know.)

Like I wrote in my report, the video conference thing was ridiculous. A waste of time, an insult to Salman Rushdie (who was interrupted and cut short because of it), and an inappropriate implication of our consent to what Greg said to the Birmingham people.

What was the thing about Kurt Vonnegut speaking to us from heaven? And why did so many people laugh at that lame joke? We never got an explanation for what was supposed to have happened.
 
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It was Miss Rhode Island, who is famous for speaking out about global warming at the pageant last year, and who is now a student at Harvard.

I assume that she was there because of her stand on global warming (which was the topic of the conference in Birmingham), and because she's cute and articulate. (I doubt that she's a humanist, but I don't know.)

Like I wrote in my report, the video conference thing was ridiculous. A waste of time, an insult to Salman Rushdie (who was interrupted and cut short because of it), and an inappropriate implication of our consent to what Greg said to the Birmingham people.

What was the thing about Kurt Vonnegut speaking to us from heaven? And why did so many people laugh at that lame joke? We never got an explanation for what was supposed to have happened.

Yeah, the KV joke thing was over my head also. It did seem like Rushdie was confused too, as he kept making that comment.

On an unrelated note, rushdie talking about how JFK got assassinated because he had too much sex (which gave him a bad back, causing him to wear a brace, which then, after the first non-fatal shot, caused him to bounce back up and then suffer the next fatal shot), was hilarious.

I figured the perfect ice breaker would be to start my intro by stating: Bear with me; I hurt my back several times last night.

So, I said it. I thought at least one person would chuckle....:boxedin:
 
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What was the thing about Kurt Vonnegut speaking to us from heaven? And why did so many people laugh at that lame joke? We never got an explanation for what was supposed to have happened.

Kurt Vonnegut once said/wrote:

"Do you know what a Humanist is? I am honorary president of the American Humanist Association, having succeeded the late, great science fiction writer Isaac Asimov in that functionless capacity. We Humanists try to behave well without any expectation of rewards or punishments in an afterlife. We serve as best we can the only abstraction with which we have any real familiarity, which is our community.

"We had a memorial services for Isaac a few years back, and at one point I said, "Isaac is up in Heaven now." It was the funniest thing I could have said to a group of Humanists. I rolled them in the aisles. It was several minutes before order could be restored. And if I should ever die, God forbid, I hope you will say, "Kurt is up in Heaven now." That's my favorite joke."


Kurt is up in Heaven now. With Isaac. :D
 
And I really regret not meeting with more JREFers. I met with SkepticScott, saw Rebecca, kittynh, Kitten, Hawk_One and that's about it.
And special thanks to kittynh and Kitten!

Either someone was putting up a hologram to scare all the guests, or I have managed the art to project my image beyond time and space (Wouldn't that net me a fat million dollars?), or you were hallucinating. :D

In other words, I definitely wasn't at that dinner.
 
I figured the perfect ice breaker would be to start my intro by stating: Bear with me; I hurt my back several times last night.

Ohhh.... now I get it. I thought you really had hurt your back, and I was feeling sorry for you.

If I had heard the Rushdie talk the night before, I would have laughed at your joke.
 
Here are skeptics, demonstrating that they can read the Bible, without either them or the Bible bursting into flames.

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bpesta and Rebecca on the panel.

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I met Steven Pinker, Salman Rushdie, and E. O. Wilson

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It was Miss Rhode Island, who is famous for speaking out about global warming at the pageant last year, and who is now a student at Harvard.

I spoke to "Miss Rhode Island" later off stage, during the conference. She said she wasn't really Miss Rhode Island, but only looked like her. She may look like one of the recent teen Miss RI's but not sure who. The 2006 Miss RI is a brunette - on the web page anyway, not a blonde.
 
I spoke to "Miss Rhode Island" later off stage, during the conference. She said she wasn't really Miss Rhode Island, but only looked like her. She may look like one of the recent teen Miss RI's but not sure who. The 2006 Miss RI is a brunette - on the web page anyway, not a blonde.

Really? The quirks of this conference just get more and more bizarre. Why on earth would they ask her to pose as Miss Rhode Island to the Birmingham conference? Maybe that wasn't really Salman Rushdie, but a very good look-alike.

There was indeed a Miss Rhode Island at some point who was a Harvard student and who was big on "green" issues:

http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=513019

and she was a comparative religion major. Sadly, according to the article, she seems to think that global warming would take away "the air we breathe in." (?)
 
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Now I'm really sorry I was unable to attend this conference.

Kittynh, your photos just get better and better. Nice job!
 
I just remembered...
What was up with Miss New Hampshire?
Why'd she introduce us to the Samford people?
And why did we have a video conference for 5 min with the Samford people????????
That totally confused me.

The reason for the video feed, I believe, is because there are fundamental, conservative, and/or silly people who have claimed that issues like global warming aren't issues, and they detract from the "real" issues of things like the abomination of gay marriage, or the necessity of prayer in school.
 

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