Rant about the Humanist Conference

Berries are the one fruit that it is always unambiguously better to buy organic. Organic strawberries are more flavorful and less contaminated with pesticides than conventional strawberries (even if they don't always look as nice).

E.g., http://www.theorganicreport.com/pages/261_why_choose_organic_strawberries_.cfm
We'll have to discuss this in a separate thread, if you'd like. But, overall, I'm still skeptical about the propoganda you linked to.

But, you're still a cool dude. Don't take it personally.
 
It will be a mixed bag, I am sure. Some will. Some won't. Only time will tell how it all turns out.

But, one key reason people are clinging to their faith stronger than ever, is because they feel threatened by the progress of science. That, to me, seems to be an indication that science will ultimately win out most people's minds. Although, it will still take a while, and still require hard work on our part.

Absolutely.

Yes, I am aware of that as a potential problem. While I am clearly not an expert in such writing, I will do my best to mitigate the risks.[/QUOTE]

Throw in some sex. That will keep the readers interested.
 
Here's the body of the letter I mailed to Greg Epstein:
Dear Greg:
I attended the 30th Anniversary Celebration. While many things were good about the conference, many were not. Since this was Harvard’s first “New Humanism” conference, first impressions were very important. Unfortunately the overall tone seemed pro-religious. The conference started with a benediction, followed closely by a panel with two Rabbis and a Reverend. Adding to that tone was the fact that the Rabbis and Reverend were among the few people listed with titles in the schedule and speakers’ bios.

The first definition of “benediction” in the Merriam-Webster dictionary is “the invocation of a blessing; especially: the short blessing with which public worship is concluded”. This is the definition most people think of first. Why not a “moment of bedlam” like many atheist conferences have? The benediction, combined with many references during the conference to “god” and “creation”, made me feel at times that I had wandered into the wrong conference. I once said to you that attitudes like Dawkins’ can get tiring after a while. I’ve found that I prefer their most vehement tirade to the atmosphere of the conference.

The conference encouraged students to attend, but then it made them feel like second-class citizens. They were made to stand for half an hour before the gala, and then were shunted off into a separate room. Yes, the divider was removed after the meals were served, but it had done its damage. One of the speakers even made a remark about the “children’s table”. I thought Humanists were inclusive? At other conferences, the interactions between people are extremely productive and enjoyable. There are ways that you and the hotel could have handled the different buffet menus without segregation.

At the gala the speakers ignored the schedule and you didn’t seem to care. You never signaled a speaker to cut their remarks short. Dar Williams performance was at least half of the reason why I went to the gala. Many of us had plans for after the gala—after when the gala was supposed to end that is. I had to leave without seeing Dar William’s performance. I also heard that Tom Ferrick made some witty remarks at the end. I missed those as well.
Why did you let the speakers ignore the schedule? By doing so you sent the message that our plans don’t mean anything to you, and speaker’s time is much, much more valuable than ours. If you had made even the slightest motion to curtail this, you would not have sent that message.

I will probably not attend another Harvard conference until you’ve demonstrated that the issues with this conference were flukes
 
SkepticScott,
I didn't mind that the conference was somewhat, seemingly pro-religion. Humanism has to be diplomatic in these areas.
I feel that starting with a "benediction" was appropriate, given most of the audience. And, it was a secular one, after all. But, if you have a problem with it, you can just remain seated. (or stand, but not recite anything, if you don't want to be conspicuous.)
The use of the word "creation" was also diplomatic, to appeal to the hearts of the Baptists during the video conference. And therefore appropriate under the circumstances. (I don't remember that word being used anywhere else. But, if it was, let me know.)
This was not supposed to be a hard-core atheist convention. This was mostly a soft-core agnostic-and-similar convention. And, I don't think a humanist convention should be any other way.

But, I do agree with everything else you've said.

Although, I am likely to attend the next such convention, if they have one, because I will assume, for now, that those other problems will not be repeated.
 
But, if you have a problem with it, you can just remain seated. (or stand, but not recite anything, if you don't want to be conspicuous.)

The latter would be hypocritical. Either you stand up (or, in this case, sit down!) for your convictions, or you don't.

This was not supposed to be a hard-core atheist convention. This was mostly a soft-core agnostic-and-similar convention. And, I don't think a humanist convention should be any other way.

[Devil's Avocado]

So, hardcore atheists cannot be humanists?

[/Devil's Avocado]
 
The latter would be hypocritical. Either you stand up (or, in this case, sit down!) for your convictions, or you don't.
True. But, if one wants to be hypocritical in that kind of benign situation, I say let them.

Incidentally, I did rise with everyone else, and I started to recite with everyone else, but in the middle changed my mind, and just stood silently for the rest. The whole thing only took a minute or two to get through.

[Devil's Avocado]

So, hardcore atheists cannot be humanists?

[/Devil's Avocado]
No, they can be, if they wanted to. I'm sure they would be accepted, as long as they are not overly rude, to the point of trolling. Not that that would happen very often, I suppose.

Stop taking everything I say so freakin' literally!!

And stop making me hungry for avocados!!
 
True. But, if one wants to be hypocritical in that kind of benign situation, I say let them.

Incidentally, I did rise with everyone else, and I started to recite with everyone else, but in the middle changed my mind, and just stood silently for the rest. The whole thing only took a minute or two to get through.

I'd rather that people either kept their seats, or simply left.

No, they can be, if they wanted to. I'm sure they would be accepted, as long as they are not overly rude, to the point of trolling. Not that that would happen very often, I suppose.

Aye, but therein lies the rub(adub): Why is it that hardcore atheists can be considered overly rude for expressing their conviction, while people who believe in a deity (of some sort) are not, for doing the exact same thing?

Stop taking everything I say so freakin' literally!!

Should I take that literally? :p

And stop making me hungry for avocados!!

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What??
 
I'd rather that people either kept their seats, or simply left.
Good for you! If only everyone in this world was that strong.


Aye, but therein lies the rub(adub): Why is it that hardcore atheists can be considered overly rude for expressing their conviction, while people who believe in a deity (of some sort) are not, for doing the exact same thing?
You got it wrong. If a believer in a diety was overly rude about it, they would probably get kicked out, as well.
 
well, I think a Humanist conference appeals to some and not to others. I was cool with about everything but the time crunch. Dar Williams was really far too late, and that was insulting to her. Few enough women without alienating even one!

She recently played a concert in Vermont, and it was $35 a ticket! That was for a benefit, so I was told the price was low.

I would have really liked to have seen her perform. I think the meal should have been a much more fun social affair. It felt almost like a second day of the conference with the long speeches.

How about having an atheist comedian perform? That would be great, and then a concert. Plus, our table had a great time when we were all just talking.
 

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