Rant about the Humanist Conference

Now I do have to give up, as I was showing my family this small clip I got of Rushdie and my husband said, "honey, just that little bit shows me this conference was worth any problems that came up!"

He's right!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpgbkOpq4Ks ( oh my ED!!! Pool Boy was helping me and spelled his name "Rushie"!!!)

excuse the fact that I could NOT find anyplace to rest my hands! Not too bad as we were up in the balcony.

Yeah, it was totally worth it!
 
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OK, here's my report.

First of all, it was great to meet people from this board-- I regret that I didn't get to hang out much with kittynh, rebecca, evelyn, scott, suzoled, or girl6 (and others), but it was awesome to meet everyone. I'm really glad that I did get to talk to bpesta, scarlet, wowbagger, and Eos a fair bit (and in case anyone doesn't know this yet, Eos is super-awesome, even if she did cast aspirations on my personal hygiene :) ). I have yet to meet anyone from the JREF board who hasn't hit the "kindred spirit" bell for me.

I missed the humanist activist training on Friday, as well as the Rushdie talk, but I heard it was good. I had a beer with bpesta's myspace friends on Friday evening, which was fun.

Saturday started off with some kind of benediction in both English and Hebrew-- I did not pay much attention (I don't stand and recite things in unison any more). Then there was a video of Dr. Sen talking about economics and humanism, which was interesting, but the video was low-contrast and the sound quality was poor. Then there was a talk about Confucianism, which was interesting in parts, but there were also lots of vague, general statements about "expanding circles of consciousness" and other fuzzies. The gist of the talk was: "Confucianism is a type of humanism" and "China should look to India for cultural and political reform." I appreciate that they were trying to have a non-Western viewpoint on humanism at the conference, but your first talk of the conference sets the tone, and it would have been better to have someone more charismatic speak, or at least a real person! (i.e., not a video).

The panels were, overall, interesting and inspiring. The first was on "Abrahamic" humanism, and had Salman Rushdie, Sherwin Wine (a secular Jew), and Bill Murray (a UU minister). Even though I'm an atheist, I did appreciate their points about the contributions to humanism from Abrahamic religions. Rabbi Wine was the best speaker, and his points about how secularized people who still think fondly of religion for cultural or personal reasons do not want to rub elbows with the "wounded," as he put it. I feel like I got a lot to think about from that panel discussion. I wished they had opened it to questions.

However., there was not time, because Salman Rushdie was interrupted in mid-statement by Greg for a completely random video conference with a conference on global warming in Birmingham, AL (where E.O. Wilson was speaking). It was incredibly rude to Rushdie, and I did not see the point. First Miss Rhode Island and then Greg made some kind of statement about "working with Baptists on global warming...." WTF? In retrospect, I think that Greg was just showing off. Hey, look all you Baptists-- Harvard has a humanist chaplain, and look at all of these people who have gathered here to talk about Humanism (oddly, the camera on our end was pointed at the audience, whereas in Birmingham it was pointed at the stage). There was no dialog, and right after the exchange, Rabbi Wine gave the floor back to Salman Rushdie. I kind of resented having words put in my mouth (I never agreed to "work with Baptists" on global warming, and the video exchange was not mentioned in the program). Frankly, I thought it was an embarrassing moment for Greg.

The "formal humanism" panel was also great-- Lori Lipman Brown continues to be my hero. It was well moderated and there was time for questions. Good points were raised about the necessity for humanists to show their stripes "through their works" and also there was a good discussion about diversity in humanism.

The "future of humanism" panel with bpesta and Rebecca was slightly less well-run, but still, lots of good points were made, and I appreciated hearing the perspectives of the students on the panel. Rebecca and Brian easily held their own again the Harvard and SSA guys.

I skipped the over-priced dinner and went back home for a walk, a nap and a shower, but I snuck back in to hear Dar Williams at 9:30. Again, I thought was horribly embarrassing for Greg and August that Dar didn't get to the stage until almost 11. Yes, Dar is cool, but only one person should get the honor of introducing her, not three! It was an abuse of the captive audience for the Harvard guys to go on and on about how important the Harvard humanist chaplaincy is and how they need a new building (not a broom closet!). Eventually Dar got to go on, said some interesting things, sang four or five songs and then got pushed off. What a disappointment.

As I wrote before, the morning round-table had some good moments, but it was lots of presidents and executive directors from lots of different humanist organizations who all wanted to pimp their programs. There was some discussion about the risk of humanism being considered "just another religion," which led to some clarification between the importance of both secular and religious humanists working together for common goals. Discussion of branding and media-handling skills was also considered.

Still... it was definitely a conference worth attending-- a "consciousness-raising experience." I had never even thought about how obvious it is that colleges, prisons, and hospitals should have humanist chaplains. U. Minnesota is installing foot-washing sinks for the 500 Muslim students on campus... what about providing services for the thousands of non-theist students on campus? I'm motived to get the student humanist organization at Yale back into an active status, and I'm going to write a letter to the president (of Yale) with my thoughts about the conference and just how important this issue is to non-theist students and faculty. I also met many interesting people (including the new CFI exec. director in NY-- CFI totally rocks!), and I heard about some other upcoming conferences that I might try to attend.

And it was a beautiful, sunny weekend in Boston!

-- Michael
 
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Oh, and I posted a wrap-up on the Skepchick blog:
http://skepchick.org/blog/?p=516

The serious rants I had I sent directly to Greg, the Harvard Humanist Chaplain. I suggest you all do the same so he knows what he might want to work on for the next conference.

Was there any kind of anonymous feedback form for the conference? If not, that's a major goof. Should we just send comments straight to Greg?
 
I like the way Mitch is budding off of Salman's right shoulder.
Sorry about that. I was trying to wait, patiently, in line to get my own photo with him. I guess I accidentally showed up in other photos, instead. After that shot was taken, Salman started rapidly walking away from everyone. So, I was unable to get my own photo with him that evening.
You know, if I was not lucky enough to get a photo the next morning, Evelyn's photo might have been the only proof that I was in the same room with Rushdie.
 
even if she did cast aspirations on my personal hygiene

Ha ha, I see I wrote "cast aspirations" when I meant "cast aspersions." Call me Mr. Malaprop-- I was tired when I wrote that report.

Or maybe she DID cast aspirations on my hygiene....
 
the link to the audio isn't working for me. The file won't load. Does anyone have that spacedude bloggers files for the panel speaker sessions?!
 
I look twelve, I know... really, I am a 23-year-old grad student...

Did you wince when Greg told that story about his mom ripping out her own braces with pliers?

This time I did remember to bring my camera, but the battery had run down, so I only got a few pics. Here's bpesta and Rebecca right before the panel started.

pesta-becca.jpg
 
I'm a bit confused by the accounts here. What are the aims of this organisation?
What exactly is "humanism" anyway?
Why Humanist "church"? In what sense is a building a "church" unless it is designated for contact with gods? Is this metaphor- as in "Starbuck's is a "temple" to tasteless coffee? "
Is the synagogue which has been "saved" also a "humanist synagogue", or just a standard "Talking to the sky-god" synagogue?
(I'm in favour of architectural conservation up to a point. If the building is worth saving as a building, fair enough, whether mosque or museum. If it's being saved purely because it's a synagogue, I'm honestly baffled as to why it would be of interest to sceptics).
 
What exactly is "humanism" anyway?

Here's the 3rd Humanist Manifesto (it's short):

http://www.americanhumanist.org/3/HumandItsAspirations.htm

Why Humanist "church"?

I don't think you can have simply a "humanist church", but you could have a "humanist Christian church."

However, the UU guy at the conference pointed out that "humanist Christianity" doesn't make sense, even though "a humanist Christian" could. Christianity is the "religion about Christ," which includes all of the Pauline stuff about his death and resurrection for the salvation of humanity. (Which is against the ideas of humanism.) This is different from the "religion of Christ" which some people interpret as having many humanist aspects.

There's religious humanism and secular humanism (which includes scientific humanism, which E.O. Wilson is famous for espousing).

In what sense is a building a "church" unless it is designated for contact with gods?

To many (most?), a church is a lot more than a place to worship.

The UU's are probably the most well-known version of religious humanists (on the Christian side). I enjoyed hearing more about other forms of religious humanism at this conference.
 
Here's the 3rd Humanist Manifesto (it's short):

http://www.americanhumanist.org/3/HumandItsAspirations.htm

Thanks for that. It's funny - ( well I find it funny) - that while I basically agree with virtually all of that document, I would cheerfully dump a pail of icewater over whoever wrote it. :) Too sanctimonious by half.
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I don't think you can have simply a "humanist church", but you could have a "humanist Christian church."

However, the UU guy at the conference pointed out that "humanist Christianity" doesn't make sense, even though "a humanist Christian" could. Christianity is the "religion about Christ," which includes all of the Pauline stuff about his death and resurrection for the salvation of humanity. (Which is against the ideas of humanism.) This is different from the "religion of Christ" which some people interpret as having many humanist aspects.

There's religious humanism and secular humanism (which includes scientific humanism, which E.O. Wilson is famous for espousing).
I wonder if this is a defensive reaction of prominent and potentially pilloried Americans to religio-political correctness Stateside? Pretend to be kinda 'into' the numinous, like some people are kinda into'' their spiritual side- because this gives one a belief structure- which is, by definition, safe from attack, because - hey, it's my belief structure, OK?

It all sounds rather vacuous to me. Religion is wrong.
Not morally wrong. Factually incorrect.
Did I miss something?


FaisonMars said:
To many (most?), a church is a lot more than a place to worship.
Really? This I find surprising. In what sense? The social network?
While a social network can operate out of any building- or even no building- it seems quite odd to me to use the word "church" of any building (or organisation) which was not theological in it's purpose. Is this one of those US/UK English usage differences?
ETA- In the UK we sometimes refer to "a broad church" , meaning an organisation with wide ranging aspects or standards. But we would not use this of a building. Is that what you mean by "church"in this context?
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The UU's are probably the most well-known version of religious humanists (on the Christian side). I enjoyed hearing more about other forms of religious humanism at this conference.
UU?
I'm just a bit surprised by terms like "religious humanism" at all.
I thought Humanism was the precise opposite of religion. It seems oxymoronic to speak of "religious humanism" .

Sorry - this reads like an aggressive response to your reply to my earlier question. It's not meant that way. I'm just honestly baffled. I have no idea what this conference was about.
 
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Yeah, I was expecting it to be a lot more atheist or at least agnostic leaning.

THe funny thing is that their tolerance for including Judaism and the UU and other believers of some sort was at first off putting for me. And I'm the deist!

It was kind of shocking to see at first that I"m a lot more of a hardliner against organized religion than they are. But, tolerance is a goal of my religious beliefs and feelings, and the Humanists really reflect that. I just don't meet that goal as much as the Humanists leading the meeting do! And an organization that challenges me to be a better person is good. So this conference was good in that it really got me seeing atheists and agnostics that work side by side with religions.
 
Is the synagogue which has been "saved" also a "humanist synagogue", or just a standard "Talking to the sky-god" synagogue?
(I'm in favour of architectural conservation up to a point. If the building is worth saving as a building, fair enough, whether mosque or museum. If it's being saved purely because it's a synagogue, I'm honestly baffled as to why it would be of interest to sceptics).

I assume you're talking about Touro Synagogue. A simple Google search would explain this to you much better than I can, but regardless, Touro is a National Historic Site in the US, due to the significant architectural design (Harrison's finest) as well as the fact that it is the oldest synagogue in the country. It is for these reasons as well as the fact that, as I mentioned before, it is a symbol of religious tolerance in the US. A key decoration in the temple is a letter from George Washington affirming the fact that the Jews were free to worship as they pleased without persecution from the US government that was being established at the time. Naturally, this is of interest to people who value the US's separation of church and state and also to all those who are interested in this country's religious and cultural history. If you don't include yourself among that group, then ... well, actually, then I don't really mind and I'm not sure why I bothered typing all that out when I have a purring kitten and a good book waiting for me to close the laptop.
 
I'm a tad intolerant of "Tolerance",(note capital "T"), Kitty.

Some things are just intolerable, no matter how broad minded we are. Lean over backwards too far and you start seeing things upside-down.

And someone kicks you in the tropics.

I'm perfectly happy to work with religious people, but if I'm honest, I want as little to do with religions as possible.

Still, it all sounds very civilised, even if it confirms that sceptics and humanists are not always the best folk to ask when it comes to running formal dinners.:)
 
I assume you're talking about Touro Synagogue. A simple Google search would explain this to you much better than I can, but regardless, Touro is a National Historic Site in the US, due to the significant architectural design (Harrison's finest) as well as the fact that it is the oldest synagogue in the country. It is for these reasons as well as the fact that, as I mentioned before, it is a symbol of religious tolerance in the US. A key decoration in the temple is a letter from George Washington affirming the fact that the Jews were free to worship as they pleased without persecution from the US government that was being established at the time. Naturally, this is of interest to people who value the US's separation of church and state and also to all those who are interested in this country's religious and cultural history. If you don't include yourself among that group, then ... well, actually, then I don't really mind and I'm not sure why I bothered typing all that out when I have a purring kitten and a good book waiting for me to close the laptop.

Well, I appreciate the fact that you did. Actually, I do find American history interesting, but I prefer the Tora! Tora! stuff to the Torah! Torah!

A sort of equivalent issue in the UK is with the surviving cathedrals. A lot of superb architectural history there, but maintenance costs and how many do we actually need?

I find the architectural history more interesting than the social, is all.
Plenty room for debate on that subject.
 
Thanks for that. It's funny - ( well I find it funny) - that while I basically agree with virtually all of that document, I would cheerfully dump a pail of icewater over whoever wrote it. :) Too sanctimonious by half.
I know what you mean-- I wouldn't have expressed it that way, but I can't get around with the fact that it really is close to my belief structure, at least when it comes to activisim.

which is, by definition, safe from attack, because - hey, it's my belief structure, OK?
Definitely not safe from attack, but to some extent based on faith (for example, what's so great about humanity? Isn't it most likely that we are going to destroy ourselves in the near future, and then the Universe will get along just fine with out us? I think it does take a leap of faith to believe that humanity is worth trying to save.)

It all sounds rather vacuous to me. Religion is wrong.
Not morally wrong. Factually incorrect.
Did I miss something?
There are beliefs in religions that are factually wrong, but you can't just say that "religion is wrong" any more than you can say that "culture is wrong." Theism is, most probably, wrong.

Many people practice non-theist religions. Buddhism, for example, or secular Judaism.

Really? This I find surprising. In what sense? The social network?
While a social network can operate out of any building- or even no building- it seems quite odd to me to use the word "church" of any building (or organisation) which was not theological in it's purpose. Is this one of those US/UK English usage differences?
Hmm, I don't know about the word difference... Maybe it's a uniquely American thing that a "church" can be a spiritual center or a community center as much or more than a place to worship.

Unitarian Universalist. I attended a UU church for a while in grad school because I liked the music and the discussions and the socializing, but I found the rituals to be too "churchy." Now I'm comfortable being an atheist, or a "nothing." And I have my own rituals that have meaning for me.

I'm just a bit surprised by terms like "religious humanism" at all.
I thought Humanism was the precise opposite of religion. It seems oxymoronic to speak of "religious humanism" .
No-- humanism is definitely not the opposite of religion. It's non-theistic, but definitely not (necessarily) anti-religious. Secular humanism is areligious.

And I think that this was one of the goals of the conference, to point out just how diverse humanism can (and should) be.

A lot of people did complain about the religious tilt of some aspects of the conference, especially at the Sunday morning round table. I guess I'm OK with the overarching motivation of putting both religious and secular humanists under one umbrella, because we all belive that no supernatural deity is going to appear from the sky to save us-- we are our own salvation. So let's all get to work trying to make the world a better place, no matter what we specifically believe about how the Universe began or what we do on the week-ends.

Maybe there's a thread already on this somewhere in the religion section?
 
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