Jesus created Sex

Davidjayjordan said:
Strath, you just want to get me banned or suspended, for don't you know that it is not allowed to deem you guys groupies from your actions and words. That can not be discussed. You are free to slander any so called truther, if they state a truth, but your condition in your congregation can not be discussed as that would be considered flame bait or an attaxck, and that will be deleted or sent into oblivion.
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OK, so not even a pretense at believing in equality. All of those posts of yours claiming that the genders are equal were all false? Got it.
 
This thread is about jesus and Sex and yet you sheltered ones seem to think you can violate all the rules and get away with it and try to wreck threads becayuse you are protected by your moderators...nevertheless the RULE us supposed to be.


The Forum has been subdivided into areas of interest and it is expected that Members will post relevant threads and posts into the appropriate section.

POST Relevant threads and POSTS into the appropriate section.... and if I POst rel;evant threads they will be deleted or sent into oblivion. So as to protect your fragile FAITH in nothingness.
 
Hokulele said:
OK, so not even a pretense at believing in equality. All of those posts of yours claiming that the genders are equal were all false? Got it.
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You guys can be a generic term just as mankind can refer to women as well.

Nice try at an accussation H. but I remain an believer in equality.

Equality not Patriarchy

[SIZE=-1]In this case, let me just repost an article by Pat Joyce
(with her permission)

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PATRIARCHY - Is it God's Order?
By Pat Joyce

When I became a Christian, I had no idea what constituted a Biblical lifestyle, so I looked to the “experts.” They said that God’s way was a chain-of-command structure with the husband as the authority in the home and the pastor and elders as authorities in the church. At first, I did not question but attempted to conform while I agonized with the Lord over my rebellious nature. Over time, I noted that all those in authority were male and wondered why the God, who I knew loved me, appeared to favor men? Didn’t He create me? Was I of less value because of my gender? Why was it that deep down, even after years asking God to change me, I still could not accept the second-class status assigned to women? Is patriarchy God’s design, God’s order? This question is so fundamental.

We know that God does not approve of discrimination. Yet discrimination against women is inherent in patriarchy. The system that I encountered was patriarchal to the core. “Any espousal of patriarchy is an espousal of male domination. The very definition of patriarchy presents a male-dominated and male-controlled society and therefore means a philosophy of male supremacy.” (1)

With these thoughts in mind, let’s look at the Biblical record. To start with, we need to remember that the Bible is full of violence, betrayal, selfishness, immorality, idolatry, and unbelief--a seemingly endless list of sinful acts It also presents the thoughts and philosophies of our fallen nature along with His truth. We must learn to discern the difference. We need to realize that scripture includes true records of false ideas. Just because it is in the Bible does not mean that God approves.

A limited look at the Old Testament record shows that, in general, women were under the control of their father or husband who considered them as their possessions. They were denied education, and they could not inherit. Women's lives were expendable in order to protect men, and polygamy was acceptable. Only men had the right to divorce, and women were mainly valued for producing male heirs.

In contrast, when the Holy Spirit came to Mary, there is no record that He asked her father or Joseph first. The mere fact that Jesus spoke to women broke with the tradition of His day. Jesus taught the Samaritan woman and commended Mary for ‘sitting at His feet’ to learn, an expression that indicates that she was a disciple! In Luke 11:27-8, He rejected the idea that women were baby machines. In Mathew 19, Jesus opposed the double standard for divorce. He pointed out from Genesis 2 that divorce was not God’s plan but a concession that He had allowed Moses to make because of their sin. Then, Mark 10:12 adds, “and if she herself divorces her husband…” which overrode the Jewish tradition that a woman couldn’t institute a divorce since she was the man’s possession along with the concept that women were property and that polygamy was acceptable. (2)

After His resurrection, He could have appeared to one of His male disciples at the tomb. However, He chose to appear first to a woman, Mary Magdalene, instructing her specifically to go and tell “my brothers.” His actions forever proclaim to her and to Christian women after her that their commission is not limited to a women’s ministry.

The early church did not embrace patriarchy, teaching that both male and female are created in the image of God. The scripture shows men and women moving together to spread the gospel. The few scriptures that seem to limit the ministry of women stand in stark contrast to the whole of the record. In the last few years, traditional understanding of a woman’s “place” has become even more suspect as scholarship has provided accurate translation and interpretation of these passages. (3).

So what went wrong? As Christianity spread through the Gentile world and a second generation of Christians emerged, equality and freedom slowly faded. Replaced by the traditional male domination that filled secular society, Greek philosophy and pagan customs made their way into Christianity. The church adopted the secular governmental structure of the Roman Empire. Clergy separated from laity, and women were barred from this new ministerial class. (4) The supernatural gifts of the Spirit, so present in the early church, were stifled; and the Dark Ages fell on the church.

The attitudes of the early church fathers were molded by pagan ideas that women are evil, inferior, unequal and unclean. (5) These concepts along with Platonic and Aristotelian philosophy influenced how they interpreted Scriptures as they applied to women and male/female relationships. Their writings birthed traditional theology, which generally displaced Jesus' teaching about women. (6)

While the reformation began the return to Christ’s doctrine, it remained patriarchal. Biblical interpretation “continued to be skewed by misogyny, hierarchical worldview and the perennial influence of Greek philosophy.”(7) It is interesting to note that in revivals sprinkled through the last two thousand years, the status of women is consistently elevated. (8) Could this be the leading of God’s Holy Spirit? Cultural norms around the world today are definitely patriarchal, particularly in developing nations. Even in developed countries, male primacy, while not as blatant as it was even twenty-five years ago, is still clearly present in society and in the home. The results are devastating.

As for the church, “the traditional theology of womanhood is unequivocally patriarchal, ascribing to women an inferior condition, a secondary importance, and a subordinate status. Consequently, under authoritative male headship, ‘covering’ and control, women have at the best of times been "honored’ as second-class citizens. They have been dominated, marginalized and occasionally patronized while men have been elevated.”(9)

There is no place for patriarchy in the kingdom of God. It is a human institution based on a fallen sin nature. Patriarchy's fruit is deplorable and can never be part of the kingdom. It’s time to acknowledge it as sin and throw it out. Christ has restored access to God for all who will come to God through Him. We know we "all are sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise,”(10) and the promise does not discriminate. (END OF ARTICLE by Pat)

So having read this and having read your Bible and experienced life, I hope you believe and act as if both genders are equal, ‘[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]for there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]’.

In His Equal Service
Jay (Jordan)”[/SIZE]
 
Cosmo said:
No sir, Mister DJJ. I like my sheltered little world here; the outside is far too scary and new for me. I like being surrounded by people like me. People like you, who come in and single-handedly, effortlessly prove my worldview false really make things hard on me. :(
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Unadulterated truth from Cosmo. Thanks for the confirmation Cosmo, I couldn;t have stated your condition BETTER.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
You guys can be a generic term just as mankind can refer to women as well.
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No, it cannot. It is clearly addressing half of the population and ignoring the rest. There are plenty of gender-neutral terms you could have used, but didn't.

Nice try at an accussation H. but I remain an believer in equality.
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That is clearly shown to be false judging by the description of women as property as shown in your post here. And in this post, why did you have to quote someone else for your support of equality? Why can't you support the role of women in the world in your own words?
 
Foster Zygote said:
If we're groupies, shouldn't we be following someone around in our ratty old VW bus?
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NO, groupies are just weaklings that can;t decide things and truths for themselves. they like the status quo of their group and that group can be as big as a whole nationalistic pride, or a whole New world order.

These are the ultimate groupies, and they will get the MARK of their leader, the BEAST, the Anti Christ. And the groupies will love him and worship him, because he gives them their daily bread and they know it. And hence the groupies will persecute and kill all indepenadant thinkers.

Most of them will be Christian but not all, as many free thinkers will just oppose the domination and control of one man rule, and onw world government rule. And they will be killed or beheaded.

So groupies are not a small minority following a cult hippie leader but much bigger and a stronger delusion.... and they need smaller groupies who deny conspiracies so they can get people into believeing lies rather than finding truths.

Onward Christian soldiers and ANY that break away and think and separate from them.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
NO, groupies are just weaklings that can;t decide things and truths for themselves. they like the status quo of their group and that group can be as big as a whole nationalistic pride, or a whole New world order.
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Davidjayjordan, you sound like Hitler railing against the Jews. You can't seem to answer any questions about these groupies. But they exist! You can feel it in your gut!

We are weaklings that can't decide truths for ourselves! No matter how hard we want to believe that the distance to the moon is some made up number, or that you didn't really form a prophecy and when it didn't come true move the dates, we actually end up believe the truth. Maybe we're just not trying hard enough.
 
DJJ, you don't actually comment on any of our points, you justt call us weaklings and brainwashed. I have made many and varried comments on the problems in your position (the position that Christianity supports equality, not the position that equality is good, because I believe that).

For instance, you have yet to respond to my last comment on the problems of your mislead disection of YHWH.

Additionally
Most of them will be Christian but not all, as many free thinkers will just oppose the domination and control of one man rule, and onw world government rule. And they will be killed or beheaded.
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For someone who does not want to get banned, making statments which boarder on threats is not a good idea. I havn't been here long, but I know people can get banned for that.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Strath, you just want to get me banned or suspended, for don't you know that it is not allowed to deem you guys groupies from your actions and words. That can not be discussed. You are free to slander any so called truther, if they state a truth, but your condition in your congregation can not be discussed as that would be considered flame bait or an attaxck, and that will be deleted or sent into oblivion.

You are groupies, and the worse kind because it stops you from thinking. You are in denial because you have to deny to stay in your group.

But back to jesus and Sex as the RULES state that you are suppose to post appropriately according to the thread subject.

But again, the moderators will protect you and keep your lives sheltered from as many turhts as possible so you can keep your groupie faith.
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Textbook persecution complex. If you're gonna whine and be cranky, DJJ, at least do it for a more interesting reason. We've heard it all before.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Cosmo said:
No sir, Mister DJJ. I like my sheltered little world here; the outside is far too scary and new for me. I like being surrounded by people like me. People like you, who come in and single-handedly, effortlessly prove my worldview false really make things hard on me. :(
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Unadulterated truth from Cosmo. Thanks for the confirmation Cosmo, I couldn;t have stated your condition BETTER.
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Bwahahahaha! Simply glorious!

OK, I've done it all. I can retire now. :)
 
Hokulele said:
No, it cannot. It is clearly addressing half of the population and ignoring the rest. There are plenty of gender-neutral terms you could have used, but didn't.

(No you guys means all present. Its slang but it is generically neutral and not offensive or sexism. I know you want to prove I am a male chavinist, but I am not. So please stop the personal attack.)


That is clearly shown to be false judging by the description of women as property as shown in your post here. And in this post, why did you have to quote someone else for your support of equality? (because she is a woman and I trust women that are honest and intelligent and spiritual and who have experienced real life. I asked her permission and she gave me permission to repost what she had written. I have articles from all kinds of women posted on my website via their permission. Almost all my dream prophecies came from a woman.... http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan//DreamsandVisions.html )

Why can't you support the role of women in the world in your own words?
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I have many many times..... and they are online on my website.

Elohim, gods & goddesses, Equality, and Creation [SIZE=+1]

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[SIZE=-1]In the original Hebrew, many of the NAMES of the Lord, were translated simply to God. This over-simplification has caused confusion in many cases but the translators tried to safeguard the HOL Y NAMES from the unworthy which by scripture was only intended for the High Priest and others close to His truth and His love. Any vile, vain, or loose lipped heathen who tried to use these names for their own purposes or unworthily were cursed for their improper usage. Consequently in Genesis, the very first chapter verse 26, when it says; II And GOD said' Let US make man in our image, and let them have, dominion over the Earth ". The word God replaced the Hebrew word ELOHIM, which means Gods and Goddesses. For as we should know by now, scripturally almost every ancient manuscript has the Holy Spirit as Feminine, and even the first He or letter H, in the sacred Tetragrammaton, Name of the Almighty, (YHWH) is feminine. Similarly, the Lord of Lords and King of Kings created angels, male and female before He created us, physical mortal males and then females.

This is why it distinctly says, Let US, meaning the male and female creations and entity called God, make mankind not just a patriarchal male deity. For again, the Lord is called the Father of Spirits, All Spirits, male or female. and again in verse 27 it obviously is referring to mankind meaning male and female when it says "SO God (Elohim) created man in his own image in the image of God. ( God gave us his image, our human bodies and looks are a reflection of his holy BODY So how in earth or in heaven can our bodies be evil when they are made in the very [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Image of God[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]. ) It goes on saying "Male and Female created He them"

This could definitely go against your religion or church views or family views, but believe it or not God is complete, He is adrongenous, composing male and female and being greater than both. He is the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Creator[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] of all things and is in need of nothing. He is not an incomplete needy whimpy male, but Jesus and God who are one, because He and the Father are [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]One[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] and the Holy Spirit are One, a mystery, we can't figure out because they are beyond us. Yet still we can realize that the LORD is complete, as in the Book of Thomas, He could create a female out of himself and make love to her if need be. The story rings scripturally true and therefore probably is true because [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]JESUS[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] is the Creator, not just a blue eyed, compassionate Jew who might answer your prayers. JESUS is much, much more.

Jesus is not a sexist or a racist. He doesn't favour one sex over the other, or one nationality over the other. Anyone that says differently is probably raised in the church and retains this churchy unjust patriarchal dogma, that just can't come out of their churchy hearts. For anyone that knows the Lord or who has become one with the Lord knows that He is not a respector of persons, and looks not at outward appearances but at the HEART. ( 1 Sam 16) He doesn't look at your sexual organs, nationality, colour, I.Q., and looks at your Heart. So sorry , male machoists & female chavinists, the Lord of Lords, IMO, is for [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]EQUALITY[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] and TRUTH and JUSTICE. Neither sexual side can claim the Lord and his favour.

So the image of God is male and female, perfect compliment one of the other. Perfect triangles of the Trinity, making the Star of David, intertwined in UNION. This is the physical symbol of the Lord, the one Solomon and David knew and were instructed about and which perfectly shows the equal relationship of the male and female triangles
.
This hexagram, which was stolen by nationalistic political Israel, is actually the symbol, the image spoken of in Isaiah and other scriptures concerning the ENDTIME as our ensign, our standard, IMO. The downward pointing female triangle and the upward pointing male triangle are equal and both perfectly enclosed in the Lord's circle of protection. So no wonder, the bees use a hexagonal shape to create their honey, and their elixir, as this same shape dictates the form of most crystals that can only be capped by the Lord's capstone in a true pyramid (See [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Sexy Star of David[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] & [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Golden Section Pyramids[/SIZE][SIZE=-1])[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]

But if you don't believe in equality and think you are above the other sex, you truly do and will have future problems especially with the Lord of Lords, because He can use anyone, male or female, neutered or not. for nothing is impossible with the Lord

In His & Her Service

According to the Father, Mother and Son

David Jay Jordan

June 27, 2000[/SIZE]
 
Hokulele said:
I kept expecting something to leap out of his head. :boggled:

He did have the same random capitalization and plugging of contact info that we have seen here . . .
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It is good to know that not all nuts just speak English..................

Paul

:) :) :)
 
Most Here speak an old ancient language called 'double speak' especially when they espouse the religion of ACT, EVO or ATH.

Actevoath
 
H, there are about six more articles I have written on equality, do you want me to post each of them, so you can go through them in depth, til you understand the principle of EQUALITY.
 
There is no so-called god, and if that is the best design this so-called god of yours can do for sex organs, time for a better designer. The design of the sex organs prove that they came about by evolution.

Paul

:) :) :)

And about equality, the bible is anything but equal when it comes to sex, the two so-called top dogs, so-called god and Jesus are male………
 
Davidjayjordan said:
NO, groupies are just weaklings that can;t decide things and truths for themselves. they like the status quo of their group and that group can be as big as a whole nationalistic pride, or a whole New world order.

These are the ultimate groupies, and they will get the MARK of their leader, the BEAST, the Anti Christ. And the groupies will love him and worship him, because he gives them their daily bread and they know it. And hence the groupies will persecute and kill all indepenadant thinkers.

Most of them will be Christian but not all, as many free thinkers will just oppose the domination and control of one man rule, and onw world government rule. And they will be killed or beheaded.

So groupies are not a small minority following a cult hippie leader but much bigger and a stronger delusion.... and they need smaller groupies who deny conspiracies so they can get people into believeing lies rather than finding truths.

Onward Christian soldiers and ANY that break away and think and separate from them.
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Could anyone else get through this post without laughing? I tried, really I did.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
I have many many times..... and they are online on my website.

Elohim, gods & goddesses, Equality, and Creation [SIZE=+1]

[/SIZE]

[SIZE=-1]In the original Hebrew, many of the NAMES of the Lord, were translated simply to God. This over-simplification has caused confusion in many cases but the translators tried to safeguard the HOL Y NAMES from the unworthy which by scripture was only intended for the High Priest and others close to His truth and His love. Any vile, vain, or loose lipped heathen who tried to use these names for their own purposes or unworthily were cursed for their improper usage. Consequently in Genesis, the very first chapter verse 26, when it says; II And GOD said' Let US make man in our image, and let them have, dominion over the Earth ". The word God replaced the Hebrew word ELOHIM, which means Gods and Goddesses. For as we should know by now, scripturally almost every ancient manuscript has the Holy Spirit as Feminine, and even the first He or letter H, in the sacred Tetragrammaton, Name of the Almighty, (YHWH) is feminine. Similarly, the Lord of Lords and King of Kings created angels, male and female before He created us, physical mortal males and then females.

This is why it distinctly says, Let US, meaning the male and female creations and entity called God, make mankind not just a patriarchal male deity. For again, the Lord is called the Father of Spirits, All Spirits, male or female. and again in verse 27 it obviously is referring to mankind meaning male and female when it says "SO God (Elohim) created man in his own image in the image of God. ( God gave us his image, our human bodies and looks are a reflection of his holy BODY So how in earth or in heaven can our bodies be evil when they are made in the very [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Image of God[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]. ) It goes on saying "Male and Female created He them"

This could definitely go against your religion or church views or family views, but believe it or not God is complete, He is adrongenous, composing male and female and being greater than both. He is the [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Creator[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] of all things and is in need of nothing. He is not an incomplete needy whimpy male, but Jesus and God who are one, because He and the Father are [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]One[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] and the Holy Spirit are One, a mystery, we can't figure out because they are beyond us. Yet still we can realize that the LORD is complete, as in the Book of Thomas, He could create a female out of himself and make love to her if need be. The story rings scripturally true and therefore probably is true because [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]JESUS[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] is the Creator, not just a blue eyed, compassionate Jew who might answer your prayers. JESUS is much, much more.

Jesus is not a sexist or a racist. He doesn't favour one sex over the other, or one nationality over the other. Anyone that says differently is probably raised in the church and retains this churchy unjust patriarchal dogma, that just can't come out of their churchy hearts. For anyone that knows the Lord or who has become one with the Lord knows that He is not a respector of persons, and looks not at outward appearances but at the HEART. ( 1 Sam 16) He doesn't look at your sexual organs, nationality, colour, I.Q., and looks at your Heart. So sorry , male machoists & female chavinists, the Lord of Lords, IMO, is for [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]EQUALITY[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] and TRUTH and JUSTICE. Neither sexual side can claim the Lord and his favour.

So the image of God is male and female, perfect compliment one of the other. Perfect triangles of the Trinity, making the Star of David, intertwined in UNION. This is the physical symbol of the Lord, the one Solomon and David knew and were instructed about and which perfectly shows the equal relationship of the male and female triangles
.
This hexagram, which was stolen by nationalistic political Israel, is actually the symbol, the image spoken of in Isaiah and other scriptures concerning the ENDTIME as our ensign, our standard, IMO. The downward pointing female triangle and the upward pointing male triangle are equal and both perfectly enclosed in the Lord's circle of protection. So no wonder, the bees use a hexagonal shape to create their honey, and their elixir, as this same shape dictates the form of most crystals that can only be capped by the Lord's capstone in a true pyramid (See [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Sexy Star of David[/SIZE][SIZE=-1] & [/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Golden Section Pyramids[/SIZE][SIZE=-1])[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]

But if you don't believe in equality and think you are above the other sex, you truly do and will have future problems especially with the Lord of Lords, because He can use anyone, male or female, neutered or not. for nothing is impossible with the Lord

In His & Her Service

According to the Father, Mother and Son

David Jay Jordan

June 27, 2000[/SIZE]
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Elohim is a northern tradition borrowed from the Canaanites. El in it is also used for god in the OT (Beth-El) So by using this name you are equating god with a polytheistic pantheon, and defining him based on the syncratic absorption of the Canaanite deity El. The recognition of Elohim as a plaural feminie word woiuld have been gone by the time it was used to refer to YHWH in the OT.

Also it is not always used for god, look at Saul's visit to the witch, it is used for the spirit of Samuel she calls up from Sheol.

Additionally, the second h is YHWH has nothing to do with the feminine at all. The onyl semi-credible breakdown of the name YHWH is the idea that it stems from the verb hyh or to be. In which case YHWH would be the 3rd person masculine imperfect. Clearly not feminine.
 
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