Mike Walter (USA Today) Responds to Conspiracists Misquoting Him

[Lyte Trip]

Okay, you tell me the speed and bank angle and g force. What do you have?

I don't know.

But several witnesses reported that the plane sped up or "gunned it" after banking so I would imagine it was going much slower before the bank.

We will have animation of the full flight path in the Researcher's Edition.

The software that is used for the animations is based on real life capabilities of the plane and plotted on an actual model of lat and long coordinates for the area.

We will have a full write up on the details of this by the animator.

 

[A W Smith]

The plane banked bro.

Just ask Gravy and Mike Walter.

explain why this. your witness paths

Does not match this

 

[Lyte Trip]

explain why this. your witness paths
http://www.internationalskeptics.co...?attachmentid=6449&stc=1&thumb=1&d=1176513714

None of our witnesses drew these paths and none of these witnesses could see this entire area. All you can do is take each coordinate of where each witnesses saw the plane and line them up for a final flight path. That is what we did below.

Does not match this

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a327/lytetrip/Pentagon/Pentagon folder 2/finalflightpath.jpg

Again......this flight path is the result of a COMPILATION of 9 witness accounts going all the way back to the driving range at the Army Navy Country Club.

None of the witnesses could see the entire path. We simply took each of their estimates of the placement of the plane and this is what we got.

Edward could not see the pentagon, the citgo, or even the navy annex.

But he COULD see that the plane came from south of Columbia Pike and traveled to the north side of Columbia Pike headed straight for the north of the Citgo station.

For the official story to be true the plane could not have crossed over to the north side of Columbia Pike at all.

And the fact that we will present 5 other witnesses south of Columbia Pike that have the plane on this flight path corroborates him AND the citgo witnesses 100%.

 

[Lyte Trip]

What makes all this hard for most of you to grasp is the fact that you have not been to the area. The topography is far from level.

There is a rather steep decline after the Navy Annex and quite tall trees in the area.

You cannot see the Pentagon while walking on Columbia Pike by the VDOT until you get to the edge and even then you don't have a detailed view at all.

NONE of the people up there could have even remotely seen the impact and NONE of the people on route 27 could have seen a plane at only 2,000 feet high many miles west finishing up a 360 degree loop.

 

[A W Smith]

None of our witnesses drew these paths and none of these witnesses could see this entire area. All you can do is take each coordinate of where each witnesses saw the plane and line them up for a final flight path. That is what we did below.

Again......this flight path is the result of a COMPILATION of 9 witness accounts going all the way back to the driving range at the Army Navy Country Club.

None of the witnesses could see the entire path. We simply took each of their estimates of the placement of the plane and this is what we got.

Edward could not see the pentagon, the citgo, or even the navy annex.

But he COULD see that the plane came from south of Columbia Pike and traveled to the north side of Columbia Pike headed straight for the north of the Citgo station.

For the official story to be true the plane could not have crossed over to the north side of Columbia Pike at all.

And the fact that we will present 5 other witnesses south of Columbia Pike that have the plane on this flight path corroborates him AND the citgo witnesses 100%.

Go ahead lyte.. Post the photo taken from the hotel balcony that paik drew on.. Go ahead.. put it right under this post. Im calling you out!

 

[T.A.M.]

We have and we will continue to contact others as well.

Thanks for your concern.

Thank you for your honest reply. Please, now, I would like to know who you contacted (either the people or the organizations) and what, if anything, thus far, they have said with regards to your material/claims.

TAM

 

[twinstead]

What makes all this hard for most of you to grasp is the fact that you have not been to the area. The topography is far from level.

There is a rather steep decline after the Navy Annex and quite tall trees in the area.

You cannot see the Pentagon while walking on Columbia Pike by the VDOT until you get to the edge and even then you don't have a detailed view at all.

NONE of the people up there could have even remotely seen the impact and NONE of the people on route 27 could have seen a plane at only 2,000 feet high many miles west finishing up a 360 degree loop.

For crying out loud do you have any witnesses who SAW THE PLANE PULL UP AND FLY OVER THE PENTAGON?

 

[WildCat]

I hate repeating myself for you guys and typically ignore questions that were previously asked but I will answer this again since it seems like most of you didn't get it the first time.

The physical damage was staged.

They simulated a flight path with the light poles and simulated damage that mimics a plane impact in the building.

The plane was a diversion AND used to create an illusion.

But the illusion could not fool everyone so they had to have cover stories and many other factors to confuse everyone such as other planes circling the area before and after the event as well as fake reports of a 2nd plane that "shadowed" the AA jet and veered off over the Pentagon just after the explosion.

So the low flying passenger jet over Arlington was meant to fool people into being THE plane that made impact but at the same time get blended into the other accounts of a 2nd plane that allegedly followed it.

Get it now?

No, that just adds more complexity to an already ridiculously complex scheme.

 

[Lyte Trip]

For example.......

This is an amazing view from the Air Force Memorial which demonstrates the elevation of the Navy Annex:

But the Air Force memorial was just built last year!

NOBODY could have had this view on 9/11. You could not walk in front of the Navy Annex like this before the memorial was built.

If you are anywhere further west on Columbia Pike next to the Navy Annex or VDOT you cannot see the Pentagon at all due to the trees and due to the fact that that there is such a steep decline before the Pentagon.

 

[beachnut]

I don't know.

But several witnesses reported that the plane sped up or "gunned it" after banking so I would imagine it was going much slower before the bank.

We will have animation of the full flight path in the Researcher's Edition.

The software that is used for the animations is based on real life capabilities of the plane and plotted on an actual model of lat and long coordinates for the area.

We will have a full write up on the details of this by the animator.

This is related to the petition of NIST due to Greening obsession with NIST etc. and the fact the petition authors could just ask these question to NIST and not petition. As could Greening send in his problems with NIST.

The speed is 443 KIAS to 463 KIAS for 77 on 9/11. What g force and bank angle is required for your turns?

These are the speeds by 77 on 9/11; facts backed up by witnesses and physical evidence. Your turns would require 70 degree of bank and greater to complete the turns you say happened, that never happened.

At the bank angle on 9/11 of 77 of 6.3 degree max, the speed required to make your turns happen would be too slow for flight. (87 knots)

Your animation will not work at the correct speeds and the plane will stall at the speed required to do the turns you have.

Your flight path is impossible for a plane to do with the evidence we have.

 

[A W Smith]

post the Paik/balcony photo Lyte.

 

[twinstead]

For example.......

This is an amazing view from the Air Force Memorial which demonstrates the elevation of the Navy Annex:

http://www.debunk911myths.org/topic...jpg/800px-Pentagon_from_airforcememorial2.jpg

But the Air Force memorial was just built last year!

NOBODY could have had this view on 9/11. You could not walk in front of the Navy Annex like this before the memorial was built.

If you are anywhere further west on Columbia Pike next to the Navy Annex or VDOT you cannot see the Pentagon at all due to the trees and due to the fact that that there is such a steep decline before the Pentagon.

You have to admit though that to ALL there was an excellent view of the sky above the Pentagon. You'd think that somebody, anybody, would have seen or heard a screaming jet pull up and fly over the building. A judge and jury would especially wonder about this, as well as how the physical evidence that the plane did indeed hit the building got there.

SO. Exactly what evidence do you have that the plane didn't hit the Pentagon and all the physical evidence that it did was planted again?

 

[beachnut]

He must be just trying to do a LC type video to make money knowingly telling lies. Is that it?

 

[Lyte Trip]

Thank you for your honest reply. Please, now, I would like to know who you contacted (either the people or the organizations) and what, if anything, thus far, they have said with regards to your material/claims.

TAM

I'm terribly sorry but I have already explained how I am not at liberty to reveal that information on this forum.

1. It's irrelevant to the evidence and the thread.

2. I have been specifically asked by at least one of the more important officials to NOT reveal that we are in communication.

3. Sometimes official investigations take a while and it will become fodder for members here as time passes and they do not see "action" from any mentioned officials and/or organizations.


I have already been accused of being a liar here as a result of refusing to disclose this information.

If you wish to follow suit with this type of baseless and irrelevant attack go right ahead but the moderators here have been rather strict lately about personal attacks.

I commend them for it.

 

[Lyte Trip]

You have to admit though that to ALL there was an excellent view of the sky above the Pentagon. You'd think that somebody, anybody, would have seen or heard a screaming jet pull up and fly over the building.

Sure.

And many DID report this and there were other planes that circled the area before and after the attack.

See Myriad's awesome Illusion thread.

 

[stateofgrace]

I hate repeating myself for you guys and typically ignore questions that were previously asked but I will answer this again since it seems like most of you didn't get it the first time.

The physical damage was staged.

They simulated a flight path with the light poles and simulated damage that mimics a plane impact in the building.

The plane was a diversion AND used to create an illusion.

But the illusion could not fool everyone so they had to have cover stories and many other factors to confuse everyone such as other planes circling the area before and after the event as well as fake reports of a 2nd plane that "shadowed" the AA jet and veered off over the Pentagon just after the explosion.

So the low flying passenger jet over Arlington was meant to fool people into being THE plane that made impact but at the same time get blended into the other accounts of a 2nd plane that allegedly followed it.

Get it now?

Yep , crystal clear.

 

[beachnut]

Sure.

And many DID report this and there were other planes that circled the area before and after the attack.

See Myriad's awesome Illusion thread.

You know this whole area all around the Pentagon is in the airport traffic area! ?? Planes circle all around the Pentagon every day!

 

[T.A.M.]

I'm terribly sorry but I have already explained how I am not at liberty to reveal that information on this forum.

1. It's irrelevant to the evidence and the thread.

2. I have been specifically asked by at least one of the more important officials to NOT reveal that we are in communication.

3. Sometimes official investigations take a while and it will become fodder for members here as time passes and they do not see "action" from any mentioned officials and/or organizations.


I have already been accused of being a liar here as a result of refusing to disclose this information.

If you wish to follow suit with this type of baseless and irrelevant attack go right ahead but the moderators here have been rather strict lately about personal attacks.

I commend them for it.

SO your answer is you will not tell me who, in authority, you have brought this to... despite the fact that your "evidence" is available to everyone on the internet, who can vist your site and watch your video which presents your earth shattering evidence.

Sorry, but I have to say, that given your evidence is placed on a public accessable website, that your statement above rings hollow. Only time will tell...

TAM

 

[Whiplash]

He is either:

1. Accidentally confusing charred bodies of Pentagon workers in office chairs as having been "strapped" into seats.

2. Embellishing without malice intent.

3. Lying to cover up the crime.


I have no way of knowing which but these are the only possibilities.

*bolding mine*

So you being wrong.. that's not even a possibility eh?

Unbiased researcher indeed.

 

[Lyte Trip]

post the Paik/balcony photo Lyte.

All of Edward's illustrations as well as his description filmed on location indicate a plane crossing over from the south side of Columbia Pike to the north side:

It came from here:

It went "this way":

And then it "almost hit my roof":

Are any of these illustrations exactly perfect?

Doubt it.

He is a human.

But they are good approximations and they establish the flight path at Edward's coordinate in a very detailed way and it corroborates perfectly with the citgo witnesses AS WELL AS with the other witnesses south of Columbia Pike that we will present in the Researcher's Edition.