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Imus be an idiot . . .

hgc said:
* White victims of discrimination by blacks is a self-selected societal group of losers and thumb-suckers who blame a most amorphous and improbable concept for their feelings of inadequacy.
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You're saying whites don't get discriminated against by blacks?
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
Neither is "nappy".
Neither is "ho".

What's your point?
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Yes they do.

Imus promised not to insult races and he didn't. I've established that.
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No you haven't.

Yes, I get tired of repeating myself over and over because some people aren't smart enough to see the facts.
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Yeah, I know what you mean. That's why I've stopped trying to explain it to you.
 
Lonewulf said:
You've established nothing, except in your own mind.
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Let's look at exactly what Don Imus said...

IMUS: So, I watched the basketball game last night between -- a little bit of Rutgers and Tennessee, the women's final.
ROSENBERG: Yeah, Tennessee won last night -- seventh championship for [Tennessee coach] Pat Summitt, I-Man. They beat Rutgers by 13 points.
IMUS: That's some rough girls from Rutgers. Man, they got tattoos and --
McGUIRK: Some hard-core hos.
IMUS: That's some nappy-headed hos there. I'm gonna tell you that now, man, that's some -- woo. And the girls from Tennessee, they all look cute, you know, so, like -- kinda like -- I don't know.
McGUIRK: A Spike Lee thing.
IMUS: Yeah.
McGUIRK: The Jigaboos vs. the Wannabes -- that movie that he had.
IMUS: Yeah, it was a tough --
McCORD: Do The Right Thing.
McGUIRK: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
IMUS: I don't know if I'd have wanted to beat Rutgers or not, but they did, right?
ROSENBERG: It was a tough watch. The more I look at Rutgers, they look exactly like the Toronto Raptors.
IMUS: Well, I guess, yeah.
RUFFINO: Only tougher.
McGUIRK: The [Memphis] Grizzlies would be more appropriate.
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He simply called them "Nappy headed hos". Now it's true that this is an offensive thing to say and no doubt offended some people, but let's not make it into something it isn't. Also look at how McGuirk was the one who brought up "Ho's" and Imus was just furthering it. Imus didn't originally call them "Ho's" it was Mcguirk. Also notice how the whole context is centered around their "tough" look.

Is 'nappy' racist? I don't see how. By definition "nappy" simply means "kinky" hair. While it's a fact that most African Americans do have "kinky" hair and that these Rutger players had kinky hair, I don't for one second see how this could be racist. If Chris Rock had said they had nappy hair, would he of been called a racist? No. The fact that we have a double standard here is proof that what Dan Imus said was not racist.

Dan himself has nappy hair. It wasn't a racial slur. White people can have nappy hair as well.
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http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionar...earch&va=Kinky

By definition, Shortly curled=Nappy.

He has a "perm" but by definition his hair would be "nappy". "Nappy hair" doesn't always mean africans. Google "Nappy hair". It's true that you'll find mostly african american pictures but if you look hard enough you'll find pictures of "Perms" from the 1970's as well as pictures of khalid shaikh mohammed. Also, I'm not the only one who thinks so. Others have pointed out the fact that he has nappy hair.

Most definitions of "nappy" that I have found agree that the term is used almost exclusively to describe hair that tightly coiled or curled and unkempt. Almost undoubtedly that does describe some of the black girls on that team. It is beyond a shadow of a doubt, however, that nappy headed describes Don Imus to a tee. I mean, just look at the guy. Talk about your irony, or your potbelly calling the kettle black. Don Imus' hair almost makes that fright wig that Phil Spector wore in court last year look dainty. Yeah, that nappy haired ho Don Imus has some kind of nerve insulting someone based on their hair.
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http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...l_players.html

He described a group of WOMEN both black and white as "nappy headed" when their hair WAS nappy and when in the context it was meant to convey "roughness" and had NOTHING to do with race. Imus' show is one of the most listened to shows out there. 20 hours a week and many years at this and he makes a few slip ups and a few words come out that are offensive. He apologized. He's a radio shock jock and if he can't be offensive, who can? Imus has raised no doubt millions. Yet because he makes a few vaguely racist (That really aren't racist) remarks he's instantly a racist?

Imus has said some controversial things in the past. He's a shock jock. That's what he does. Over the more than 30 years of being a disc jockey, only a few times has he said things like this. That's a pretty damn good record I think.

What we're talking about here is a phrase that is only vaguely racist out of context and obviously not racist in context. If he had alternatively pulled a Michael Richards then it would be something different, but he didn't.

I've shown how it has nothing to do with race. Only blacks have nappy hair? I use "Nappy head" all of the time when referring to Caucasians, many people do. Imus has nappy hair. It wasn't a racial slur. White people can have nappy hair as well. The fact that they HAD nappy hair seems to be amiss. He was attacked by politically correct morons who have nothing better to do than pick fights with people. Now he may lose his job for a triviality. A molehill made into a mountain.
 
hgc said:
Almost. He's being fired for being controversial. Advertisers don't like controversy.

*humor - in the eye of the beholder
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He was hired for being controversial, and he got rich for being controversial.

From his 1996 swan song, the Correspondent's Dinner, wherein he roasted the meat puppets of the press. A bit here.
Molly Ivins is going to be a commentator -- why not just go ahead and get Florence King? I told Nina Totenberg plagiarism jokes weren't funny. Speaking of people whose place on the planet is a waste of space -- the White House press corps --- I mean no wonder the President doesn't want to hold any news conferences. Who needs to be assaulted by a pack of rodents whose idea of a question is to confront the President with an insulting observation designed to impress their equally rude and arrogant colleagues. "Mr. President, Rita Braver, CBS News, we all know you're a pot smokin' weasel, that you once ate an apple fritter the size of a baby's head, that you actually run a 12 minute mile. Can you, therefore, tell the American people why that thing on your lip looks like a Milk Dud, and if it is a Milk Dud, and I'd like a follow-up." "Sir, Brit Hume, ABC News. Sir, everybody knows the closest you ever came to standing in a chow line was the cheeseburger window at McDonald's. So tell the American people, is that where you came up with 'buy one, get one free?'"

The president gets treated better by Rush Limbaugh. Rush may not, as Al Franken suggested, be a Big Fat Idiot, but I'm sick of him. The radio show, television show, the stupid books and now men's ties -- bold, vibrant, colorful, and all designed to look great with a brown shirt. <laugher> What a surprise that Rush is selling something that goes around a person's neck. Rush didn't date in high school, you're kidding? <laughter> You mean the varsity cheerleaders weren't falling all over a fat pig-eyed schmoo who looked like a cross between a red dog and one of those Budweiser frogs? <laughter>
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Also, the infamous 'Boy Named Newt'
And then there's Newt. <laughter, groans> Who names a child Newt? It seems only slightly better than a Boy Named Sue:
Well, he came into the world from the right side a town,
a Georgia boy who was diggin' around,
dreamin' one day he'd wield power absolute.
He's a guy who spends a lot of time in the fridge
and it's no wonder he wants to bring back the orphanage,
you would too, if your parents named you Newt
Now all you atheists had better be ware
cause school children's heads'll be bowed in prayer
beseechin the Lord to get rid of the poor and the queer
Member Newt and his conservative proteges
are going to fix this in a hundred days
and he was so proud he was on the edge of tears.
But now the ethics folks are snoopin for cash
And his cheesy book was less than a smash and
all the polls reportin he's held in disrepute
His sister's a thespian and appeared on Friends
And his poor old Mom's still tryin' to make amends
I'll tell you, life ain't easy for a boy named Newt.

Imus was and is funny, part of the growing popularity of insulting humor.

Don Rickles for a bunch, Alex.

DR
 
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Darth Rotor said:
He was hired for being controversial, and he got rich for being controversial.
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Yes, his business strategy paid off, right up to the point where it didn't. I think Imus just spotted a black swan.
 
Lonewulf said:
Christianity is not a race or a gender, genius.
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Why are race and gender sacred cows when it comes to being made fun of?

Please come out into the real world where people are offended all the time for various and sundry reasons.

Who cares if you are offended becasue someone says to you or others who are not you , "That's so gay."

or "Nappy headed ho's" or "Inbred rednecks" or any number of other racial, gendered, sexual oriented comment meant
to either be funny or hurtful.

Mommy, won't always be there to kiss the boo-boo for you and make all the bad people stop making fun of you.

Neither should government.

When someone calls me an inbread redneck, I try and live by the motto

"Sticks and stones may break my bones, but words can never hurt me."

Cheers,
Number 1 nappy headed ho
 
Mephisto said:
So, if you're so upset don't use products from these companies - I'm sure you'll teach them a good lesson.

American Express Co., Sprint Nextel Corp., Staples Inc., Procter & Gamble Co., and General Motors Corp.
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I'm not THAT upset about it. It's true that these companies are pansies. They wouldn't of lost business anyway. Your average person doesn't associate the commercials during the show to the show itself. I could boycott those businesses but what would it accomplish? Nothing. However it will cause me problems.
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
I'm not THAT upset about it. It's true that these companies are pansies. They wouldn't of lost business anyway. Your average person doesn't associate the commercials during the show to the show itself. I could boycott those businesses but what would it accomplish? Nothing. However it will cause me problems.
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Yeah. Proctor & Gamble spends $3.5 billion a year on advertising, yet you know more than they about how to go about it.
 
hgc said:
Yeah. Proctor & Gamble spends $3.5 billion a year on advertising, yet you know more than they about how to go about it.
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Apparently they and the other advertisers saw how injurious it could be to their business to be associated with a RACIST. ;)
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
I'm not THAT upset about it. It's true that these companies are pansies. They wouldn't of lost business anyway. Your average person doesn't associate the commercials during the show to the show itself. I could boycott those businesses but what would it accomplish? Nothing. However it will cause me problems.
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You were the one complaining about the 15 or 20 Black people picketing Imus's show outside his studio - why don't you put your money where your mouth is and put up with whatever problems you might be caused by not patronizing those companies? I promise, we won't hold it against you.
 
I'm done discussing this with "Mephisto". He/She is clearly trying to bait me by continually accusing Imus of being a racist even though I've shown otherwise and he/she hasn't addressed those posts where I have shown otherwise. This leads me to conclude that he/she is simply trying to bait me into repeating myself over and over and is thus a waste of time.
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
Neither is "nappy".
Neither is "ho".

"nappy" could apply to both whites or blacks as I've proven.

"ho" doesn't necessarily mean female prostitutes either.
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Neither the words “hook nosed” nor eth word “Zionist” applies exclusively to Jews, however if you call someone a “hook nosed Zionist” you know dam well that you’re being anti-Semitic.
 
GroundStrength said:
Neither should government.
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What government action has been taken here?
Imus was sacked purely because of free market economics. His continued presence in broadcasting became economically unfeasible- and he was sacked.
Nobody called for government censorship here- they decided to use their freedom of speech to criticise his speech, and they decided to use their freedom of economic action to influence the polices of other economic actors.
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
I'm done discussing this with "Mephisto". He/She is clearly trying to bait me by continually accusing Imus of being a racist even though I've shown otherwise . . .
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The only thing you've proven is your ignorance of what constitutes a racist remark. I think the majority here agrees with that assertion.
 
Dustin Kesselberg said:
I'm done discussing this with "Mephisto". He/She is clearly trying to bait me by continually accusing Imus of being a racist even though I've shown otherwise and he/she hasn't addressed those posts where I have shown otherwise. This leads me to conclude that he/she is simply trying to bait me into repeating myself over and over and is thus a waste of time.
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You have shown no such thing. You try to analyse individual words to find “the racist word” whilst ignoring that the phrase as w hole has racial connotations which Imus, as a professional communicator- who has been in trouble for similar things in the past, was well aware off.
 
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