Waleed A Alshehri - new evidence

Just wanted to see if you'd blame it on the VICTIMS, and you did.

I suppose it's just a coincidence that you chose Jews.

How about the other three flights, A-Train?

Any more Jewish victims you'd like to blame?
 
A-Train, you've promised that you would produce the "dozens" of different flight manifests you claim exist. Will you ever back up this claim of yours, or are you willing to admit you're wrong and retract it?
 
Gravy said:
Just wanted to see if you'd blame it on the VICTIMS, and you did.

I suppose it's just a coincidence that you chose Jews.

How about the other three flights, A-Train?

Any more Jewish victims you'd like to blame?
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This whole post is completely nonsensical. No facts, no evidence, no argument or theory.....

Is this the real Gravy?

The other three flights? I believe the same method of operation was used on all four flights. We have reports of "Middle Eastern looking" hijackers on at least 3 of the 4 flights.

It was evidence, not coincidence, that I cited; I didn't "choose" anyone. The evidence leads in the direction it leads. I never used the term "Jews" and I consider the use of that term irresponsible and for the most part meaningless.

To Wildcat: I admit I was wrong and retract it.
 
A-Train:

Name the people on the other three flights who you have EVIDENCE against that contradicts the official version.

It's your claim. So do it.
 
Gravy said:
A-Train:

Name the people on the other three flights who you have EVIDENCE against that contradicts the official version.

It's your claim. So do it.
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Wait a minute. So someone comes up with an official story, and the rest of us have to come up with evidence that contradicts that story.... and if we cannot, then the official story is therefore true by default?

Boy, Gravy, I sure hope you don't ever find yourself falsely accused of a crime and having to defend yourself using such standards of truth and falsity.

Actually, it is your claim that the hijackers were al-Qaeda Arabs. In a previous post you referred to them as "these guys"-- though, I think by now you will admit that you cannot prove that the "these guys" are the same "these guys" that you and the FBI contend they are.

Then you tried to buttress your argument by pointing out that the hijackers were described as "Middle Eastern looking." I replied by pointing out that while this description is undoubtedly true, it does not so obviously point to the Arabs as we Americans would suspect..... and could just as likely point to another group with a long history of framing Arabs for unspeakable acts.

Gravy, the claim that these hijackers were al-Qaeda Arabs has launched two wars and killed untold thousands of innocents. The burden of proof that they were indeed Arabs hijacking the planes is completely on you, not me.
 
A-Train said:
Actually, it is your claim that the hijackers were al-Qaeda Arabs.
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Wow...so it was Gravy who first made that claim. So tell us, Gravy was the silent man in charge of the 9/11 Comission and he was the young man Norm Mineta saw with Cheney? Damn Gravy....why did you hide your fame from your fellow forumites. A-Train, do everybody a favor and grow up....
 
A-Train said:
Wait a minute. So someone comes up with an official story,
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"Someone" being thousands of investigators working on the largest criminal investigation in history, who turned up a mountain of evidence that conclusively proves the guilt of the radical Islamist terrorists.

and the rest of us have to come up with evidence that contradicts that story....
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No, we should just take your word that the mountain of evidence presented by investigators is false. We should accept without evidence your sick accusations against the victims of horrible crimes.

What nasty drugs are you on?

So, A-Train, name the passengers on the other planes who were the real hijackers, and present your evidence against them, or withdraw your claim. That's how it's done by rational adults.

Proceed. I'm waiting.
 
The resilience of Ctist is remarkable!

A-Train's nonsense about Israeli hijackers has been trashed in at least two threads on this forum a while ago.
(Here and here.)

Now he comes back with exactly the same nonsense.

Sorry, A-Train, not everyone is blinded by hatred for Jews"Zionists". Most people can easily distinguish between reality and fiction.

The Al Qaeda hijackers are reality, the "Israeli hijackers" are fiction, as has been shown before.
 
Firestone said:
Sorry, A-Train, not everyone is blinded by hatred for Jews"Zionists".
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Say it ain't so....A-Train was the rabbi of retribution but I think his peyot were on his back...

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Gravy said:
"Someone" being thousands of investigators working on the largest criminal investigation in history, who turned up a mountain of evidence that conclusively proves the guilt of the radical Islamist terrorists.
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As far as I'm concerned, it's a mountain of junk produced by thousands of yes men.

I guess I shouldn't have turned my signature off on my previous post.

Let me paraphrase Galileo:

"The mountains of evidence turned up by thousands of investigators is not equal to the humble reasoning of a single individual."
 
A-Train said:
As far as I'm concerned, it's a mountain of junk produced by thousands of yes men.

I guess I shouldn't have turned my signature off on my previous post.

Let me paraphrase Galileo:

"The mountains of evidence turned up by thousands of investigators is not equal to the humble reasoning of a single individual."
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Are you accusing every single person that was involved in the investigation of lying?
 
Now I get it. The untrained, unschooled, unscientific truthers, hold special knowledge that thousands of Phd level scientists failed to obtain.

They are like a new religion. "We have the truth!!!!....The Pharisees have blinded you to the truth!!!"

The world is a weird place.
 
A-Train said:
As far as I'm concerned, it's a mountain of junk produced by thousands of yes men.

I guess I shouldn't have turned my signature off on my previous post.

Let me paraphrase Galileo:

"The mountains of evidence turned up by thousands of investigators is not equal to the humble reasoning of a single individual."
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"In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual." -Galileo
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What was Galileo refering to when he said that?
 
stateofgrace said:
Are you accusing every single person that was involved in the investigation of lying?
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No. Yes-men don't lie, or tell the truth. They just say yes. The thousands of investigators who worked on 9/11 were part of a hierarchical structure. They were given their orders, and they were expected to follow them. They had risen to their positions by demonstrating their ability to conform and follow orders unquestioningly. Virtually none of them would have been able to view the big picture of the 9/11 operation.

This concept reminds me of this quote, which I will try to reproduce as accurately as possible since I don't have the book handy:

"The coverup was carried out by honest, patriotic men who were only following orders."

The quote is by James Ennes, from his book, Attack on the Liberty. It refers to the coverup of the deliberate attack on his ship that killed 34 of his fellow sailors.

But it could just as easily be applied to 9/11.
 
Wow you really have a terrible opinion of Americans. Just order us to say something and we will say it...even if we know it to be false.

I think you should move to Iran...where everybody speaks their mind and the government never intimidates people into saying lies.
 
A-Train said:
No. Yes-men don't lie, or tell the truth. They just say yes. The thousands of investigators who worked on 9/11 were part of a hierarchical structure. They were given their orders, and they were expected to follow them. They had risen to their positions by demonstrating their ability to conform and follow orders unquestioningly. Virtually none of them would have been able to view the big picture of the 9/11 operation.
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Patently false. Investigators "rise" to their positions by demonstrating their ability to investigate competently.

They also would have had to do a hell of a lot more than "just say yes". They'd have to physically produce mountains of evidence implicating 19 innocent men and simultaneously eliminate any trace of 19 guilty men.

They'd also have to do this in cooperation with various groups who have little or no loyalty to the U.S. (much of the investiging extended well beyond U.S. borders and involved non-U.S. personnel)

They'd have to do this knowing full well (at least in retrospect) that their efforts resulted in the deaths of thousands of their fellow countrymen.

What you're suggesting is so idiotically absurd that I find it hard to believe that you seriously consider it possible in the real world.
 
A-Train said:
No. Yes-men don't lie, or tell the truth. They just say yes. The thousands of investigators who worked on 9/11 were part of a hierarchical structure. They were given their orders, and they were expected to follow them. They had risen to their positions by demonstrating their ability to conform and follow orders unquestioningly. Virtually none of them would have been able to view the big picture of the 9/11 operation.

This concept reminds me of this quote, which I will try to reproduce as accurately as possible since I don't have the book handy:

"The coverup was carried out by honest, patriotic men who were only following orders."

The quote is by James Ennes, from his book, Attack on the Liberty. It refers to the coverup of the deliberate attack on his ship that killed 34 of his fellow sailors.

But it could just as easily be applied to 9/11.
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Oh I see, so the entire conspiracy relies totally on thousands of law abiding people who investigated 911 just doing as they are told, not questioning their orders and doing so for the rest of their life’s.

Equally so it relies on these very people of not being aware of the big picture, unlike you of course, and remaining unaware of the big picture for the rest of their life’s.

Yes I can see where you are coming from and as rightly been pointed out to you, what you are suggesting is idiotically absurd.
 
A-Train said:
As far as I'm concerned, it's a mountain of junk produced by thousands of yes men.

I guess I shouldn't have turned my signature off on my previous post.

Let me paraphrase Galileo:

"The mountains of evidence turned up by thousands of investigators is not equal to the humble reasoning of a single individual."
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Best of luck in your bid for the April Stundie!
 
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