Warning: Jackchit threatens Gravy!

[CHF]

These people are getting frustrated and infuriated, and there's no telling where it could lead.

I'm sure that at some point there will be an ugly incident. These people honestly believe that the fate of the world rests on their retarded theories being accepted as fact.

Someone in that state of mind is very capable of assault and/or murder.

 

[Brainache]

I thought James Randi was our "spiritual leader". Does this mean I've been sacrificing all those goats to the wrong bloke?

I suppose sacrificial goat with Gravy makes more sense than a Randi goat.
Or maybe not. I'm confused now.

Who can help me out here?

Jack?

Dylan?

Who should I believe?

 

[Dog Town]

I'm sure that at some point there will be an ugly incident. These people honestly believe that the fate of the world rests on their retarded theories being accepted as fact.

Someone in that state of mind is very capable of assault and/or murder.

I have no doubts, that they will go postal at some point. I see the next eco-terrorist, or weather report underground what ever, coming from their ranks!

 

[Foolmewunz]

I have no doubts, that they will go postal at some point. I see the next eco-terrorist, or weather report underground what ever, coming from their ranks!

Maybe I'm spending too much time following their rantings, because about six months ago, I would have vehemently disagreed with you on this, but now? I fear you may be correct. The 911 Truth groups have created a rallying point for many different factions, and while some are just profiteers and others are just excitable (and excited) dilettantes, there are also the group that have always concerned me - the impressionable newcomers who buy into the glossy packaging, slick editing, and new sounds of Loose Change, and then start frequenting the boards, only to hear and see veterans and spiritual leaders issuing calls to arms.

Dylan's just a self-serving idiot. While he should've shut Jackchit up in a heartbeat, he did the same (nothing) as with the little nazi girl (and Russell's accurate reportage of the LCF reaction to that is still available for all to see). Just ignore the miscreants because after all, "they're on our side, man". Just as the peace movement in the 60's had a number of ultimately violent and destructive (albeit self-destructive in several cases) off-shoots, as did the civil rights movement, I fear that the Truth Movement will spawn the same. They're getting frustrated and that makes some of them dangerous, IMHO.

@Stellafane - Yes... I totally neglected to mention the anti-abortion crowd, which is probably the best example of what we're possibly seeing here. (It was lurking in some dimly lit corner of my brain, but I couldn't remember exactly what movement had gone over the deep end, as I was posting during my first morning cup of coffee.)
When God is on your side, you think you can do anything, and when you've been convinced (as have the Troofers as well as the anti-abortion radicals) by your leaders that your opposition is THE ENEMY, and that they are murderers or supporters of murderers, it's a very short (il)logical step from screaming and waving signs to modern day vigilantism.

 

[stateofgrace]

Posted by Dylan Avery @ LCF Apr 3 2007, 11:35 AM

We ban people who lack the basic skills of mature conversation.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6487

Posted by Dylan Avery LCF 03/04/07 12:48pm

He's at Ground Zero, every Saturday.

In response to a death threat issued by a LCF member Jackchit.

Posted @ 01:21 pm by mynameis

Figures that the heartless and mindless Randi worshiping morons would stoop so low.

tunicblue Apr 3 2007, 01:24 PM

I am 100% behind you on this. Gravy is scum. The world would be better without him.

Jackchit ,Apr 3 2007, 01:25 PM

You **** with me I **** with you, I have had enough of the j-ref pussies

Tunicblue, Apr 3 2007, 01:28 PM

If you are going to do anything to groovy gravy then dont write it down anymore.

Tunicblue,Apr 3 2007, 01:31 PM

I personally wouldnt give a toss if those despicable jrefers died a horrible death.

Jackchit ,Apr 3 2007, 01:53 PM

Don't worry about gravy any longer.
murder? lol no murder he just won't be a problem any more .

Discobee,Apr 3 2007, 01:54 PM

They're bastards over there, I was thinking the same thing about them threatening to report me to the FBI tips program for 'Al-Qaeda membership'.

Cheansaw Apr 3 2007, 02:03 PM

LOL you joined here just to post that? You should have just not registered in the first place, it kinda makes YOU look retarded

Revolutionary91Apr 3 2007, 02:04 PM

And eye for an eye my friend...
Gravy wants to break up jack's family then by all means...

Headhunter ,Apr 3 2007, 02:50 PM

I think the best way to go at it is to find out everything about Mark Roberts, were he works, lives, the whole gambit, and make his life miserable.
As to the JREF member who actuall DID the deed, that's the guy I'd be going after as well, to punch his lights out.

Tunicblue ,Apr 3 2007, 03:05 PM

Yes the person who did this is as bad as a paedophile.

Stopsnitchin,Apr 3 2007, 03:11 PM

All i can say is those JREF bastards are a bunch of sick and twisted **** ups…………………Gravy deserves to get the **** beaten out of him.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6799


I have just found my new signature.

Posted by Dylan Avery LCF 03/04/07 11:35 am.

We ban people who lack the basic skills of mature conversation.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=6487

 

[kookbreaker]

That's pretty freaking chilling Stateof Grace.

Honestly, its like what McVeigh would have been writing and reading had there been web message boards in his day.

 

[T.A.M.]

The profound difference in attitudes towards the opposite side is this...

WE think THEY are stupid/ignorant/childish

THEY think WE are evil/horrible/and wish harm/death toward us.

TAM;(

 

[GwionX]

I see no excuse for Avery's behavior at all. Personally, I believe it's very likely -- perhaps even inevitable -- that within the next few months, there will be an incident where a truther physically assaults (or worse) someone who doesn't agree with him.

The whole thing reminds me of the pro-life movement. The leaders went around insisting that abortion is murder. So eventually, the inevitable happens, and a few less tightly wrapped followers start taking these words literally. And what would any sane person do to a baby killer in their midst? Why, they'd kill them before they can kill again -- that's a justifiable homicide if there ever was one. That's when the bombings and shootings started. Of course, the leaders then backtracked and claimed "I never meant to do the abortionists any harm," as if calling them murderers was some trivial thing.

Now you have the truthers like Avery going around saying that murderers are walking free among us, in our government, police, fire department, all over the place. If you really and truly believed this, wouldn't you want to bring them to justice? And what better justice than dishing out some of their own medicine? Sooner or later some tormented, confused soul is going to take Avery and company's message way too seriously, and act out on it. And Avery will bear an enormous amount of blame and responsibility for it.

These people have got to realize this isn't the Matrix or some role-playing game. This is real people and real lives.

I absoutely agree. I remember reading about some "believer" that went to Bohemian Grove armed, and determined to kill the "child molesting oligarchy"
His inspiration? Alex Jones rants.

It is clear that people like Alex jones, and Dylan Avery are just looking to make a buck off of the tragic deaths of fellow Americans; through their cottage industry storefronts, radio and movie deals, ect.. But they must realize that many of their patrons dwell in the fringe to begin with. Likened to yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater. There comes a time where these media-active conspriacists have to be held accountable for their fear-mongering, and baseless accusations.

 

[boloboffin]

Self-serving conscience salve.

There. Fixed that for you.

 

[The Doc]

Sorry guys but I'm lost for words.

 

[T.A.M.]

Sorry guys but I'm lost for words.

Dont worry, the words will come...when they do, take the first 100 of them, type them, but then delete them, then make your post...you'll feel better.

TAM

 

[Darth Rotor]

Hyperviolet:

1. Jackchit has show through his internet actions to be unstable, and somewhat obsessed with Mark Roberts (Gravy). He created a myspace calling Mark a "Gay Spy", and had the LCFers join it. On it he made fun of the man. Mark was barely involved in the thread that brought this latest threat by jackchit on, yet Jackchit chose to pick on Mark, and make him the target of his violent threat.

2. Remember the guy who killed himself online recently. People were online while he was threatening to do it, and not convinced he was legit in his threats, some egged him on...he did it. remember Columbine. We had a similiar episode to Columbine in Montreal recently...the guy had a site online where he made all sorts of "threats".

3. Is the risk of this threat being carried out low...absolutely. Should it be brushed off...absolutely NOT.

4. You are correct, Dylan should have banned the guy immediately. Has he done so yet...nope. What does that say about the truth "leader".

Yes there was/is alot of trash talk going on, and when it comes to the debunkers here and the die hard truthers, it is very much like a war, or a playground squabble, but thats the way it is. Both sides have said a lot, but if you look at what group has been more rational on this issue, I think it is the debunkers.

Are you aware of the original post Jackchit made that sparked the whole Social Services issue?

TAM

Ok, let me get this straight: Jackchit is at risk for killing himself on the internet?????

DR

 

[ktesibios]

There comes a time where these media-active conspriacists have to be held accountable for their fear-mongering, and baseless accusations.

People who encourage harrassment and even violence on their Websites or blogs might find it instructive to read about the Mulugeta Seraw murder and its aftermath.

 

[The Doc]

Funny how Jaguar and Pdoh both have an obsession with troy, both are incredibly arrogant and JAQ off all day.

https://www2.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=27396589&postID=5548442926220880806

pdoherty76 said... mr smasher,

troy regularly makes threats but he is still posting on screwloosechange forums.

Do you condone the calling of the social services? Or the jref trolling group stealingh all my accounts?

Will your blog talk about greening?

How often has Troy in WV made threats against people?

Why is his behaviour condoned?

Similarities in bold.

I'd put money on it. Jaguar is Doh'P

 

[Thunder]

So has anyone called any authorities about the threat? Is it an actual threat in legal terms?

 

[hellaeon]

People People People!

Dont let us degenerate into what they are! Argueing amongst ourselves!
This is simple. Jackachit is a fool who does not understand Actions have repercussions! Im sure somethings coming to him for this latest episode.

Its easy to be that dumb when the world exists only the way you think it does

 

[jdhammer]

I'd like to see/hear a confirmation that someone has forwarded these threats to the proper authorities. Just a confirmation that something is being done, not specifically what or how. After all, we know all the truthers are watching right now, and surely jackchit and those supporting him are also keeping a close eye.

A death threat is a death threat. Let's not pretend that just because this is all taking place online means that it can be ignored or taken at less than face value.

On the plus side, this I believe marks the beginning of the self-destruction of the Loose Change based truth movement. If Dylan doesn't act soon, his reputation will be too tarred to take this thing any further. Besides, I don't even think they'll have a message board in a couple of days, and that's the head of the beast. Cut off the head, and the body will....well, you know....

 

[jdhammer]

Check out this quote from the LC thread:

And the comment "last thing you'll ever see", if you remove the word "ever" simply means being knocked out.

What a whack job. If you take out last, thing, 'll (from you'll), ever, and see, and add I and love, you get "I love you". Clearly not any sort of threat.

Excuse me, I think I have to vomit.

 

[Thunder]

Its disappointing that Dylan didn't kill this topic immediately. I thought he was a little smarter then that. I guess I give him credit when credit isn't due. He hasn't even removed it, just closed it, so everyone including the police can read it.

False-flag forum threat?...=)

 

[Metullus]

I bought a gun nearly a year ago, and haven't been able to use it outside the shooting range. If you or Jack Chit aren't merely making cowardly, empty keyboard threats, PM for my address.

WTF?