Warning: Jackchit threatens Gravy!

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Hyperviolet said:
I can't help but feel you are trying to hype this up.

Be honest - you really feel a cult leader has authorised one of his devout followers to go out and murder an innocent man? I really feel you are indulging in clever word play and not judging the situation for what it is.
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Again, you make a fair point.

However, to some on LCF avery is a cult hero (though I doubt that jackchit feels that way) and those followers do look to avery for how to behave (some of them are very young).

Avery should have squashed the thread and cannot plead ignorance because he even encouraged it by commenting on Gravy's GZ activities.
 
uk_dave said:
Again, you make a fair point.

However, to some on LCF avery is a cult hero (though I doubt that jackchit feels that way) and those followers do look to avery for how to behave (some of them are very young).

Avery should have squashed the thread and cannot plead ignorance because he even encouraged it by commenting on Gravy's GZ activities.
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Dave, i stress again. I agree with you entirely on Dylans response. He has great responsibility, wether he likes it or not. Jackchit should have been banned immediately. However, my point is purely on the reaction of this forum.
 
Hyperviolet said:
I agree, Mark will be at ground zero. Everyone knows this. This is the only reason i'd even bat an eyelid at a threat coming from another continent. Mark should report this idiot. Talk about emailing Mark Cuban about Dylans involvement in a planned murder just seems a few steps too far.
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I never suggested that Dylan was involving himself in a murder, but I do think that his actions, or lack of action against the member, were inexcusable. Since Dylan is responsible for his own actions, seeing how Dylan would find Mark Cuban's response to his actions to carry more weight than anyone else's at this point in time, and seeing how it could be in Mark Cuban's best interest to be aware of the type of behavior that Dylan is encouraging.

Do you disagree with any of these points? In addition, I wasn't suggesting to Mr. Cuban whether or not he should take any action, or what type of action to take. If the information is simply presented to Mr. Cuban's organization, and context is provided, Mr. Cuban can choose what action he wishes to take on his own. For all I know, nothing may come of it.
 
It would be irresponsible NOT to report this to anyone who has lent any kind of financial or verbal or any other kind of support to Loose Change.

Mark has met Truthers face to face many times. He physically encounters them.

A truther swears he is going to kill Mark.

Many truthers agree that this is a good course of action.

Dylan instructs the truthers where to find Mark.

That's criminal activity, kids. No matter how you slice it. There is no "hyping" or overstating this. A death threat, with several offers by others to assist in making the murder happen WHO VERY MUCH HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO CARRY IT OUT.

The host of those forums needs to know, Mark Cuban needs to know, anyone who is allowing their names to be attached to this needs to know. When a political movement goes from, "we need something done!!!" to "I'm going to kill people on the other side," the movement becomes something else. There's a term for it.
 
Reporting this is essential. Yes it's probably just some loser blowing smoke, but every once in a while a threat is very real and it's not worth taking the risk with someone who is so obviously ill and paranoid.
 
Hokulele said:
I never suggested that Dylan was involving himself in a murder, but I do think that his actions, or lack of action against the member, were inexcusable. Since Dylan is responsible for his own actions, seeing how Dylan would find Mark Cuban's response to his actions to carry more weight than anyone else's at this point in time, and seeing how it could be in Mark Cuban's best interest to be aware of the type of behavior that Dylan is encouraging.

Do you disagree with any of these points? In addition, I wasn't suggesting to Mr. Cuban whether or not he should take any action, or what type of action to take. If the information is simply presented to Mr. Cuban's organization, and context is provided, Mr. Cuban can choose what action he wishes to take on his own. For all I know, nothing may come of it.
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I disagree in the sense that i think Dylan took this as a typical BS internet threat and wrongly forgot his great responsibility by indulging this moron.

I dont think for one minute that he actually believed that this Jackchit was going to buy a plane ticket to the United States to murder Mark Roberts.

Irresponsible? Yes.
Callous? I dont think so.
 
David Wong said:
It would be irresponsible NOT to report this to anyone who has lent any kind of financial or verbal or any other kind of support to Loose Change.

Mark has met Truthers face to face many times. He physically encounters them.

A truther swears he is going to kill Mark.

Many truthers agree that this is a good course of action.

Dylan instructs the truthers where to find Mark.

That's criminal activity, kids. No matter how you slice it. There is no "hyping" or overstating this. A death threat, with several offers by others to assist in making the murder happen WHO VERY MUCH HAVE THE CAPABILITY TO CARRY IT OUT.

The host of those forums needs to know, Mark Cuban needs to know, anyone who is allowing their names to be attached to this needs to know. When a political movement goes from, "we need something done!!!" to "I'm going to kill people on the other side," the movement becomes something else. There's a term for it.
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Correction.

"A truther..... from another continent." An important factor i feel. Should this person be one of the truthers Mark does actually meet regularly, id be very concerned for his safety.

This is the type of overhyping im talking about.
Try reporting Dylan's response to the police. Show them the evidence. You think he will get huckled to jail?
 
Hyperviolet said:
I can't help but feel you are trying to hype this up.

Be honest - you really feel a cult leader has authorised one of his devout followers to go out and murder an innocent man? I really feel you are indulging in clever word play and not judging the situation for what it is.
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I'll answer your question: No, I do not think - based on the evidence thus far - that Avery is intentionally engaged in a conspiracy to commit murder (though I have FAR more evidence supporting such a theory than any truther has ever manufactured regarding 9/11). I think he's acted stupidly and without thought (both now and in the creation of his laughable excuse for a documentary).

However, the perception that truthists are delusional and potentially dangerous is, again, nothing new and I would not be at all surprised if actual violence resulted from their delusions. I further believe that this situation creates the perfect environment for such a result if Jackchit is truly as unstable as he seems, and Avery's tacit endorsement of his words and intentions is similarly dangerous.
 
Hyperviolet said:
Correction.

"A truther..... from another continent." An important factor i feel. Should this person be one of the truthers Mark does actually meet regularly, id be very concerned for his safety.

This is the type of overhyping im talking about.
Try reporting Dylan's response to the police. Show them the evidence. You think he will get huckled to jail?
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Then again, I could get an economy ticket from heathrow to new york on 17th april for £243.

While I don't believe Jackchit is anything other than an internet blowhard (the kinda guy who used to go down the pub and insist he was once in the SAS), a threat has been made and it is viable.
 
Hyperviolet:

1. Jackchit has show through his internet actions to be unstable, and somewhat obsessed with Mark Roberts (Gravy). He created a myspace calling Mark a "Gay Spy", and had the LCFers join it. On it he made fun of the man. Mark was barely involved in the thread that brought this latest threat by jackchit on, yet Jackchit chose to pick on Mark, and make him the target of his violent threat.

2. Remember the guy who killed himself online recently. People were online while he was threatening to do it, and not convinced he was legit in his threats, some egged him on...he did it. remember Columbine. We had a similiar episode to Columbine in Montreal recently...the guy had a site online where he made all sorts of "threats".

3. Is the risk of this threat being carried out low...absolutely. Should it be brushed off...absolutely NOT.

4. You are correct, Dylan should have banned the guy immediately. Has he done so yet...nope. What does that say about the truth "leader".

Yes there was/is alot of trash talk going on, and when it comes to the debunkers here and the die hard truthers, it is very much like a war, or a playground squabble, but thats the way it is. Both sides have said a lot, but if you look at what group has been more rational on this issue, I think it is the debunkers.

Are you aware of the original post Jackchit made that sparked the whole Social Services issue?

TAM:)
 
Nice post, TAM.

About your point #2 - any link for that? I haven't heard about that incident.
 
T.A.M. said:
Hyperviolet:

1. Jackchit has show through his internet actions to be unstable, and somewhat obsessed with Mark Roberts (Gravy). He created a myspace calling Mark a "Gay Spy", and had the LCFers join it. On it he made fun of the man. Mark was barely involved in the thread that brought this latest threat by jackchit on, yet Jackchit chose to pick on Mark, and make him the target of his violent threat.

2. Remember the guy who killed himself online recently. People were online while he was threatening to do it, and not convinced he was legit in his threats, some egged him on...he did it. remember Columbine. We had a similiar episode to Columbine in Montreal recently...the guy had a site online where he made all sorts of "threats".

3. Is the risk of this threat being carried out low...absolutely. Should it be brushed off...absolutely NOT.

4. You are correct, Dylan should have banned the guy immediately. Has he done so yet...nope. What does that say about the truth "leader".

Yes there was/is alot of trash talk going on, and when it comes to the debunkers here and the die hard truthers, it is very much like a war, or a playground squabble, but thats the way it is. Both sides have said a lot, but if you look at what group has been more rational on this issue, I think it is the debunkers.

Are you aware of the original post Jackchit made that sparked the whole Social Services issue?

TAM:)
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Yes, the one about his wifes death?

The fact is - he should be reported. He is an imbecile, clearly. Insinuating that Avery is assisting in some kind of pre planned maniacal murder holds no water, and therefore the overdramatised response of many the posts are borderline ridiculous. If anyone feels Avery needs to be reported, go on. I expect the authorities to laugh at the evidence.
 
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