The testimony of Pentagon police officers SGT Lagasse and SGT Brooks.
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DavidJames
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Please share with us the results of this. Show me the responses from the media. Show me the responses from the authorities.
This is where your logic fails. People's memories do not fail in the exact same way. ESPECIALLY when it is such a drastic difference to the actual event and ESPECIALLY when it is during an event of this magnitude from people with such perfect vantage points.
Huh? It wasn't cooked in any way whatsoever. The flight path is BASED OFF the eyewitnesses. Edward has it definitively crossing over to the north side of Columbia Pike. We have many other eyewitnesses further back in the flight path that confirm where he says it came from.
You cooked it.
You badly married up two views of the annexe and then placed his flightpath futher north than he'd drawn it.
Everyone else knows this except you.
Alarm bells should be ringing.
We have at least 5 other witnesses from the neighborhood south of columbia pike further back on the flight path that confirm Edward's account of where the plane came from and the direction was heading.
Edward was 100% clear in his description and all illustrations that the plane was on an angle and completely crossing over to the north side of columbia pike like this:
This puts the plane right on course to match up with the citgo witness accounts and most certainly has the plane fatally off course from the physical damage path which MUST remain on the south side of columbia pike like this:
Total corroboration on all levels.
Nah.
You guys sure seem to like speculation.
We have rock solid evidence proving the plane was on the north side of the citgo station.
If you don't understand the implications of this I suggest you read the ASCE Building Performance Report and come back to me for an explanation if you still don't get it.
That's fact.
You can't claim that their "memories" all simultaneously failed so drastically in the same way.
It's not logical and it shows that your critical thinking skills are seriously lacking.
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A W Smith
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testimony is not fact. But DNA is.
Chain Of Custody
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_of_custody
http://www.afip.org/images/public/Dec01.pdf
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material to preparing DNA reports. For 18 days following the terrorist attacks, AFDIL employees worked on 12-hour shifts, 7 days a week to meet the mission requirements.
Chain Of Custody
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_of_custody
From afip org
http://www.afip.org/images/public/Dec01.pdf
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“Every tissue sample used for DNA analysis received a chain-of custody number,” Ross said, “and this number remained intact during the entire identification process. It allowed us to track evidence taken from victims throughout the operation, and saved AFDIL staff hundreds of man-hours by eliminating the need for hand-labeling materials.” Two-member teams from AFDIL rotated from Rockville to Dover every 72 hours to work alongside the forensic pathologists, odontologists, and anthropologists in coordinating the appropriate sampling of bone, teeth, and tissue. This arrangement insured the establishment of a proper chain of custody and expedited the overall identification process. Since many of the Pentagon victims were active-duty or reserve personnel, most had DNA reference cards already on file in AFRSSIR. “We had a total of 50 reference specimens on file for military service members who died in the Pentagon crash,” said David Boyer, the director of Operations at AFRSSIR. “That expedites the DNA identification process, because immediately we have a known reference from which we can reliably generate a DNA profile. And because many bloodstain cards also have the individual’s fingerprints, we were able to provide FBI experts with another tool for obtaining a positive identification.” As specimens arrived from the Dover Mortuary back to AFDIL in Rockville, Md, teams of forensic scientists, under the direction of Demris Lee, technical leader of the Nuclear DNA Section, took over the
difficult chore of generating a DNA profile of the victims. Their work included not only the Pentagon crash victims, but the victims of the Somerset County, Pennsylvania crash as well. Every one of the
organization’s 102 DNA analysts, sample processors, logistics staff, and administrative personnel were involved—from collecting, tracking, analyzing DNA samples, and gathering and logging DNA reference
difficult chore of generating a DNA profile of the victims. Their work included not only the Pentagon crash victims, but the victims of the Somerset County, Pennsylvania crash as well. Every one of the
organization’s 102 DNA analysts, sample processors, logistics staff, and administrative personnel were involved—from collecting, tracking, analyzing DNA samples, and gathering and logging DNA reference
material to preparing DNA reports. For 18 days following the terrorist attacks, AFDIL employees worked on 12-hour shifts, 7 days a week to meet the mission requirements.
DavidJames
Penultimate Amazing
You claim to have sent your "rock solid evidence" to the media and the authorities. How about some links to where the media have published anything resulting from your "rock solid evidence". How about posting some responses you received from the authorities whom you've sent your "rock solid evidence". Surely if you have "rock solid evidence", the authorities would have responded.
What did they say?
Arus808
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did i say you coerced them?
geez louise you really cant think for yourself.
Take these into consideration:
1) its been 5 years
2) its been 5 years of media coverage
3) its been 5 years of media coverage and news about conpsiracy theories surrounding 9/11
4) its been 5 years, and memory deteriorates after 5 years. Its been 26 years since the death of my grandfather, and I can't remember what he looks like. I cant even tell you if he was left or right handed. I have to look at pictures of him just to know what he looks like; home film of him doing things to know if he was left handed (he was, which is why IM left handed).
TIME heavily influences what a person remembers. THINGS THEY See heavily influences what a person remembers. THINGS THEY HEAR heavily influences what a person remembers.
MEMORY is the most FALLIBLE and heavily influenced thing that person has.
Greening hasn't ridiculed anything.
yet he can't remember EXACTLY where the poles were?
Yes you have. The certain parts of him stating thay the plane crashed into the pentagon have been wholly ignored by you.
People say weird things when cameras get shoved into their faces.
actually they all do. YOu're just too ignorant to see it.
Then the next step would be for you to investigate how "they" could have staged the damage to the Pentagon.
You got your work cut out for you.
To AW Smith regading DNA;
Thanks for proving my point.
It was not the same people that collected, distributed, and analyzed the DNA.
There was a chain of custody just like I said.
You can not prove that this chain of custody was not compromised from within.
It is a logical fallacy to suggest that this article in ANY WAY proves the north of the citgo testimony false.
Quite the contrary. The north of the citgo testimony proves that the chain of custody of this DNA evidence was certainly compromised.
Thanks for proving my point.
It was not the same people that collected, distributed, and analyzed the DNA.
There was a chain of custody just like I said.
You can not prove that this chain of custody was not compromised from within.
It is a logical fallacy to suggest that this article in ANY WAY proves the north of the citgo testimony false.
Quite the contrary. The north of the citgo testimony proves that the chain of custody of this DNA evidence was certainly compromised.
Which one? Be careful, Arkan Wolfshade is watching.
Arus808
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OMFG.
he didnt
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DO YOU HAVE ANY ^O*&(D&Fda clue on how DNA evidence is collected and tested? DO YOU not know that hte SAME PEOPLE WHO collect the DNA ISN:T NECESSARILY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO TEST IT!
he didnt
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DO YOU HAVE ANY ^O*&(D&Fda clue on how DNA evidence is collected and tested? DO YOU not know that hte SAME PEOPLE WHO collect the DNA ISN:T NECESSARILY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO TEST IT!
We can hypothesize that all day long but obviously we can not "investigate" that because the perpetrators have sequestered the physical evidence.
Since only rogue elements could be the perpetrators we believe we will find honest figures in positions of authority who understand and investigate the implications of testimony that came from THEIR OWN OFFICERS and look into it accordingly.
A W Smith
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Yes by law the chain of custody must be documented which it was. It is Proof that is accepted in a court of law. don't you even get it? DNA cannot be falsified to create a match to a control sample. It is profoundly more proof in a court of law that your witnesses mistaken testimony. You fail the burden of proof. don't you get that?
I think you underestimate the Citizens Investigation Team.
All you got here are discrepencies in eyewitness testimonies. Not much to make a case.
Dude
The article that AW Smith posted just showed that there was a chain of custody.
Again......the existence of that data does not prove that it's true origin hasn't been compromised and it DOES NOT refute the north side claim in any way whatsoever.
It is a logical fallacy to suggest that it does.
You guys are really bad at this critical thinking thing.