The testimony of Pentagon police officers SGT Lagasse and SGT Brooks.

[Lyte Trip]

I am stating that the people who collected the samples are different from the ones at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology who analyzed it.

Furthermore the people that provided the DNA samples to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology are also different from the ones that collected it.

That is how the government works. Everyone has a role. Everything is compartmentalized.

You can not prove where the DNA came from.

If the citgo witnesses are remotely correct in their placement of the plane we know for a FACT that it did not come from the Pentagon.

 

[stateofgrace]

For the record: I most certainly did begin my investigation because of the serious anomalies in the official story. All investigators work off suspicions. I have never claimed to know what happened to the victims.

We went to Arlington to find out for ourselves what people saw and to report it. They all saw a low flying twin engine passenger jet airliner. We reported it. All that were in a position to tell saw it pass over to the north side of Columbia Pike and the gas station. We reported it.


If they saw the plane on the south side of the station hit the light poles etc.....we would have reported it. In fact if there is anyone that is still willing to come out and directly contradict the citgo witnesses we will report it.

It's not our fault that the plane did not do this and that we found enough witnesses to prove it and that none are willing to contradict it.

So according to you, Hat tripper, witnesses who saw all this on the day have kept quiet about it for five years?

BTW any chance you could cast your expert eye over this and offer your expert opinion?

So you would approve the following plan?

"A plane is to be flown at high speed towards the Pentagon on a predetermined path. This predetermined path is going to be have pre rigged damaged lamp posts placed on it. They will be planted sometime during the event and it is hoped that nobody will notice people planting five damaged lamp posts in their predetermined position.

At the last moment before the plane hits the building replanted explosives will go off and produce a massive fireball which will hopefully conceal the fact that the plane did not hit the building but actually flew over it. Which airport this plane is to be landed in is as yet to be determined but it is also hoped that nobody will notice this, including the air traffic controllers and the ground crew staff.

At some point plane parts are to be placed inside the area where the explosion took place, along with the passenger’s personnel effects and body parts, hopefully nobody will notice this happening.

Black boxes from the flight will be planted inside the building and will hopefully be found. These black boxes with have data on them supporting the claim that the plane hit the Pentagon and travelled in along the pre determined path towards it.

This entire plan is to be carried out in broad day light, in front of potentially hundreds of witnesses and it is hoped that not one of them will have a camera or a video recorder and film the entire event.

After the event any witnesses who did see the fly over are to be debriefed by staff and told specifically that they saw no such thing.

All CCTV that may capture the event is not to be disabled but is to film the entire event and it is hoped that they will not capture the fly over. This will hopefully give the impression that the event was not pre planted and further reinforce the idea that a plane hit the Pentagon. This CCTV is to be confiscated immediately and digitally altered to ensure that when and if released to the general public they show no such event took place.

This is to be carried out in the hope of fooling the entire nation into believing that Flight 77 was hijacked and hit the Pentagon. It is hoped it will fool any first responders, all those inside the Pentagon and it is hoped that anybody else who may rush to help will not notice that a plane had not hit the building."

Well,would you?

 

[Alt+F4]

Where did I say they are lying?

In post #434 you said:

we know for a fact that the DNA didn't come from the Pentagon.

The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology says that it did.

 

[stateofgrace]

I am stating that the people who collected the samples are different from the ones at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology who analyzed it.

Furthermore the people that provided the DNA samples to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology are also different from the ones that collected it.

That is how the government works. Everyone has a role. Everything is compartmentalized.

You can not prove where the DNA came from.

If the citgo witnesses are remotely correct in their placement of the plane we know for a FACT that it did not come from the Pentagon.

So they are lying? Are you accusing the Armed forces Institute of Pathology of lying?

How do you know how the Government works, have you ever worked for them? Any inside experience whatsoever, Hat Nipper?

 

[Lyte Trip]

In post #434 you said:


The Armed Forces Institute of Pathology says that it did.

They were told it was from the pentagon.

Chain of custody.

Look it up.

 

[Lyte Trip]

So according to you, Hat tripper, witnesses who saw all this on the day have kept quiet about it for five years?

Nope. Lagasse claimed he was on the starboard side of the plane back in 2003.

Obviously they didn't understand the implications of what they saw.

BTW any chance you could cast your expert eye over this and offer your expert opinion?

Strawman.

 

[Alt+F4]

You can not prove where the DNA came from.

Where did the bodies come from? Specifically, can you explain defense exhibits P200045, P200047 and P200054 from the Moussaoui Trial? They are photographs of dead bodies inside the Pentagon.

 

[John Blonn]

No way, dude. Brooks's first account of the path of the plane is COMPLETELY different from the path he drew on the picture. Completely. Brooks draws a straight line (with his finger) from behind himself towards the Pentagon. He mentions no bank or anything - just a staight line from the trees behind him straight into the Pentagon.

You claim that it doesn't matter whether Lagasse or Brooks are more correct - and yet their lines are almost identical on the pictures. This doesn't make sense.

IMO you completely butchered Brooks's interview. There was way too much ambiguity in it for it to be "conclusive."

 

[Lyte Trip]

So they are lying? Are you accusing the Armed forces Institute of Pathology of lying?

How do you know how the Government works, have you ever worked for them? Any inside experience whatsoever, Hat Nipper?

They were told it was from the pentagon.

Chain of custody.

Look it up.

Find me a government employee who denies that the structure is compartmentalized.

 

[stateofgrace]

They were told it was from the pentagon.

Chain of custody.

Look it up.

So they were lied to? And never noticed?

Expert forensic scientist was lied to about the origin of the DNA and they simply accept it right?

According to you somebody bagged body parts and DNA which were passed off as real?

Where did it all come from Tripper ? where did all this DNA, body parts etc come from ?

 

[Alt+F4]

They were told it was from the pentagon.

Chain of custody.

Look it up.

Why don't you ask Lt. Commander Bruce Ensign (USN), he was the AFIP’s team leader at the site.

 

[stateofgrace]

Nope. Lagasse claimed he was on the starboard side of the plane back in 2003.

Obviously they didn't understand the implications of what they saw.



Strawman.

He obviously didn't understand ? Has he told you this or is your arguement strawman ?

 

[Lyte Trip]

No way, dude. Brooks's first account of the path of the plane is COMPLETELY different from the path he drew on the picture. Completely. Brooks draws a straight line (with his finger) from behind himself towards the Pentagon. He mentions no bank or anything - just a staight line from the trees behind him straight into the Pentagon.

IMO you completely butchered Brooks's interview. There was way too much ambiguity in it for it to be "conclusive."

You are splitting hairs.

If you think you have more accurately interpreted Brook's words than Brooks himself that's fine.

Even taking that into consideration at the VERY least he would have drawn a line like this:

Official story is still toast.

Me: When facing the pentagon was the plane more to the left or right of the station?

Brooks (matter of fact): It was more to the left.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Again....you guys are WAY over thinking this in order to poke holes and find excuses to dismiss their rock solid accounts. Their APPROXIMATE placement of the plane is all we need to confirm or refute the official story due to their critical vantage point.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Why don't you ask Lt. Commander Bruce Ensign (USN), he was the AFIP’s team leader at the site.

Out of the 102 pathologists, perhaps one or two were in on it.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Where did the bodies come from? Specifically, can you explain defense exhibits P200045, P200047 and P200054 from the Moussaoui Trial? They are photographs of dead bodies inside the Pentagon.

Right.

From people that were already inside the Pentagon.

 

[T.A.M.]

just go away, give your "earth Shattering, arrest warrant making, change life as we know it" evidence to what ever authorities you feel will listen to you, and we will just watch and see what happens.

Now where is that fly swatter I had...must be in the closet...

TAM

 

[John Blonn]

The fact of the matter is that you have three witnesses who give three different flight paths. Their accounts are internally inconsistent, mutually inconsistent, and inconsistent with reality (re: Lagasse and the poles/taxi).

Statistically, you'd expect five years after the fact that there would be a variety of flight paths "remembered." Nothing out of the ordinary here, sorry.

 

[A W Smith]

prove the chain of custody for the DNA was broken. also prove that DNA can be altered to make a match.

 

[Lyte Trip]

The fact of the matter is that you have three witnesses who give three different flight paths. Their accounts are internally inconsistent, mutually inconsistent, and inconsistent with reality (re: Lagasse and the poles/taxi).

Statistically, you'd expect five years after the fact that there would be a variety of flight paths "remembered." Nothing out of the ordinary here, sorry.

The only thing they need to be consistent about is the approximate placement of the plane.

In this they match PERFECTLY and it destroys the official story.