The testimony of Pentagon police officers SGT Lagasse and SGT Brooks.

[Bobert]

It is pretty pathetic to see a grown man call him self a researcher but then go by the name "jack tripper" over at the ATS forums.

Pathetic

This picture descibes you well Lyte:

 

[CptColumbo]

It is pretty pathetic to see a grown man call him self a researcher but then go by the name "jack tripper" over at the ATS forums.

Pathetic

This picture descibes you well Lyte:
[qimg]http://images.quizilla.com/J/Juno/1035630081_perresults.jpg[/qimg]

You think Lyte is "charming?"

 

[Bobert]

Yes...well in a Jim Jones sort of way.

 

[ref]

Lyte, you didn't answer my simple question.

 

[Arus808]

Lyte as predicted, you ignored this post from Apathoid:

It's really simple Lyte, the last true track was 61.2 degrees. Rotating a true north oriented overhead map of the area exactly 61.2 degrees and drawing a line over the impact point - shows the aircrafts track over the ground during the final moments. That track lines up perfectly with the light poles and mechanical damage. Forgetting your magical animation for a moment, do you agree with this statement:

That final FDR track of 61.2 degrees lines up perfectly with the light poles and mechanical damage path?

If not, explain and show your work.



No, it isn't. The animation heading is not backed up by anything from the FDR. If you think it is, show your evidence. Its approximately 20 degrees off from:

• The CSV
• The NTSB plots
• PfTs conversion of the raw FDR file.

The animation shows an 80 true track. It was a mistake. When rotating the ground image to account for magnetic variation(10.5 degrees in that area), the person rotated the ground map in the wrong direction. Please stop clinging to the animation. It's really pathetic.

When are you going to address this?

 

[Alt+F4]

Why are you people giving this fool the time of day?

He provided us with that load of bollocks Pentacon.

The film debunked him, and he made the film.

This guy isn't worth the time you are giving him.

Your responding to him is called by psychologists "enabling behavior."

Way to disappoint me.

DR

Why?

Paul Wesley Ambrose, AA Flight 77
Craig S. Amundson, Pentagon
Melissa Rose Barnes, Pentagon
Max Beilke, Pentagon
Yemen Betru, AA Flight 77
Kris Romeo Bishundat, Pentagon
Carrie Blagburn, Pentagon
Canfield D. Boone, Pentagon
Mary Jane Booth, AA Flight 77
Donna Bowen, Pentagon
Allen Boyle, Pentagon
Bernard Brown, AA Flight 77
Christopher Lee Burford, Pentagon
Charles Burlingame, AA Flight 77
Daniel Martin Caballero, Pentagon
Jose Orlando Calderon, Pentagon
Suzanne Calley, AA Flight 77
Angelene C. Carter, Pentagon
Sharon S. Carver, Pentagon
William Caswell, AA Flight 77
John Chada, Pentagon
Rosemary Chapa, Pentagon
David Charlebois, AA Flight 77
Sarah M. Clark, AA Flight 77
Julian Cooper, Pentagon
Asia Cottom, AA Flight 77
Eric Allen Cranford, Pentagon
Ada Davis, Pentagon
James Debeuneure, AA Flight 77
Gerald F. DeConto, Pentagon
Rodney Dickens, AA Flight 77
Jerry D. Dickerson, Pentagon
Eddie Dillard, AA Flight 77
Johnnie Doctor Jr., Pentagon
Cmdr. Robert Edward Dolan, Pentagon
William Howard Donovan Jr., Pentagon
Charles Droz, AA Flight 77
Patrick Dunn, Pentagon
Edward Thomas Earhart, Pentagon
Barbara G. Edwards, AA Flight 77
Robert Randolph Elseth, Pentagon
Charles S. Falkenberg, AA Flight 77
Dana Falkenberg, AA Flight 77
Zoe Falkenberg, AA Flight 77
Jamie Lynn Fallon, Pentagon
James Joe Ferguson, AA Flight 77
Amelia Fields, Pentagon
Gerald P. Fisher, Pentagon
Darlene 'Dee' Flagg, AA Flight 77
Wilson 'Bud' Flagg, AA Flight 77
Matthew Flocco, Pentagon
Sandra Foster, Pentagon
Richard Gabriel, AA Flight 77
Capt. Lawrence D. Getzfred, Pentagon
Cortz Ghee, Pentagon
Brenda C. Gibson, Pentagon
Ron Golinski, Pentagon
Ian J. Gray, AA Flight 77
Diane Hale-McKinzy, Pentagon
Stanley Hall, AA Flight 77
Carolyn Halmon, Pentagon
Michelle Heidenberger, AA Flight 77
Sheila Hein, Pentagon
Ronald John Hemenway, Pentagon
Maj. Wallace C. Hogan Jr., Pentagon
Jimmie Ira Holley, Pentagon
Angela Houtz, Pentagon
Brady Kay Howell, Pentagon
Peggie Hurt, Pentagon
Lt. Col. Stephen Neil Hyland Jr., Pentagon
Robert Hymel, Pentagon
Sgt. Maj. Lacey Ivory, Pentagon
Bryan C. Jack, AA Flight 77
Steven D. 'Jake' Jacoby, AA Flight 77
Lt. Col. Dennis Johnson, Pentagon
Judith Jones, Pentagon
Ann Judge, AA Flight 77
Brenda Kegler, Pentagon
Chandler Keller, AA Flight 77
Yvonne Kennedy, AA Flight 77
Norma Khan, AA Flight 77
Karen A. Kincaid, AA Flight 77
Michael 'Scott' Lamana, Pentagon
David Laychak, Pentagon
Dong C. Lee, AA Flight 77
Jennifer Lewis, AA Flight 77
Kenneth Lewis, AA Flight 77
Samantha Lightbourn-Allen, Pentagon
Stephen Vernon Long, Pentagon
James T. Lynch, Pentagon
Terence Michael Lynch, Pentagon
Nehamon Lyons IV, Pentagon
Shelley Marshall, Pentagon
Teresa Martin, Pentagon
Ada Mason, Pentagon
Dean Mattson, Pentagon
Lt. Gen. Timothy Maude, Pentagon
Robert Maxwell, Pentagon
Renee A. May, AA Flight 77
Molly McKenzie, Pentagon
Dora Menchaca, AA Flight 77
Patricia E. (Patti) Mickley, Pentagon
Maj. Ronald D. Milam, Pentagon
Gerard P. 'Jerry' Moran, Pentagon
Odessa V. Morris, Pentagon
Brian Anthony Moss, Pentagon
Teddington Hamm Moy, Pentagon
Patrick Jude Murphy, Pentagon
Christopher C. Newton, AA Flight 77
Khang Nguyen, Pentagon
Michael Allen Noeth, Pentagon
Barbara K. Olson, AA Flight 77
Ruben Ornedo, AA Flight 77
Diana Padro, Pentagon
Chin Sun Pak, Pentagon
Jonas Martin Panik, Pentagon
Clifford Patterson, Pentagon
Robert Penniger, AA Flight 77
Robert R. Ploger III, AA Flight 77
Zandra Cooper Ploger, AA Flight 77
Lt. J.G. Darin H. Pontell, Pentagon
Scott Powell, Pentagon
Jack Punches, Pentagon
Joseph John Pycior Jr., Pentagon
Lisa Raines, AA Flight 77
Deborah A. Ramsaur, Pentagon
Rhonda Sue Ridge Rasmussen, Pentagon
Marsha D. Ratchford, Pentagon
Martha Reszke, Pentagon
Todd Reuben, AA Flight 77
Cecelia E. Richard, Pentagon
Edward Veld Rowenhorst, Pentagon
Judy Rowlett, Pentagon
Robert E. Russell, Pentagon
William Ruth, Pentagon
Charles E. Sabin, Pentagon
Marjorie C. Salamone, Pentagon
John Sammartino, AA Flight 77
Lt. Col. Dave Scales, Pentagon
Cmdr. Robert A. Schlegel, Pentagon
Janice M. Scott, Pentagon
Michael L. Selves, Pentagon
Marian H. Serva, Pentagon
Cmdr. Daniel F. Shanower, Pentagon
Antionette Sherman, Pentagon
Diane Simmons, AA Flight 77
Don Simmons, Pentagon
George Simmons, AA Flight 77
Cheryle Sincock, Pentagon
Gregg Harold Smallwood, Pentagon
Lt. Col. Gary Smith, Pentagon
Mari-Rae Sopper, AA Flight 77
Robert Speisman, AA Flight 77
Pat Statz, Pentagon
Edna L. Stephens, Pentagon
Norma Lang Steuerle, AA Flight 77
Sgt. Maj. Larry Strickland, Pentagon
Hilda E. Taylor, AA Flight 77
Kip Paul Taylor, Pentagon
Leonard Taylor, AA Flight 77
Sandra Taylor, Pentagon
Sandra D. Teague, AA Flight 77
Karl W. Teepe, Pentagon
Sgt. Tamara Thurman, Pentagon
Otis Vincent Tolbert, Pentagon
Willie Q. Troy, Pentagon
Lt. Cmdr. Ronald J. Vauk, Pentagon
Karen J. Wagner, Pentagon
Meta Waller, Pentagon
Sandra White, Pentagon
Staff Sgt. Maudlyn White, Pentagon
Leslie A. Whittington, AA Flight 77
Ernest M. Willcher, Pentagon
David L. Williams, Pentagon
Maj. Dwayne Williams, Pentagon
Marvin Roger Woods, Pentagon
John D. Yamnicky Sr., AA Flight 77
Vicki Yancey, AA Flight 77
Shuyin Yang, AA Flight 77
Kevin Wayne Yokum, Pentagon
Donald McArthur Young, Pentagon
Edmond Young, Pentagon
Lisa Young, Pentagon
Yuguang Zheng, AA Flight 77

That's why.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Lyte Trip.

From your video:



Brooks also comments on how the trees were swaying due to the proximity of the plane (altitude and velocity).

A few questions:

1) Your picture of your flight path in post #389 depicts the plane never crossing the trees that were behind Sgt. Brooks, the trees that you make a point to capture in the video. How come Brooks reported tree movement if the plane would never have come near the trees as depicted in your flight path?

Good, fair, relevant questions. Bravo.

As I explained to e^n, the flight path that we represent (and of course the witnesses as well) is an estimation. It would have to be. Correct? The plane could very well have been closer to the trees as Brooks maintains (and Robert's flight path supports). Even if it was it was still fatally off course from the physical damage path which is the only relevant point and what we are touting as the smoking gun. So whether or not Lagasse is more correct or Brooks and Robert are more correct.....the official story is toast. Any estimation that we make will simply represent the average of all witnesses. The S curve in that image was made a while ago and was simply a quick rough estimation. Feel free to move the "bank" a bit closer to the trees if you like. The official story remains toast.

2) Brooks's actions clearly show that he saw the plane come from behind him. You see him point behind you and emphasize twice that it was a "straight line" from where the trees are straight into the Pentagon. However, your picture in #389 does not reconcile with this because the plane would never have come from behind him. Thus, how come Brooks didn't see the plane at a distance to his left (facing the Pentagon) instead of where he claimed to see it: coming from behind him? The point is that in fact Lagasse's and Brooks's paths DO NOT match at all.

Huh? You are splitting hairs. Of course they match! They both point and references north the ENTIRE interview. Both Brooks and Lagasse definitively place the plane on the north side of the station. Both 100% contradict the physical damage path. Brooks would have had to have been pointing in the complete opposite direction his entire interview if he thought the plane was anywhere near the physical damage path.

Besides.......there ARE trees that continue on north of the navy annex that may have been what Brooks saw sway. The "fork" thing is an air force memorial that was built just last year and it is directly in front of the navy annex. This is basically right where the plane would be banking after the navy annex so it certainly would have passed over those trees.

More trees further north:

More trees further north:

MORE trees further north:

Any of those trees could have been what swayed but the bottom line is if the plane passed over ANY of those trees and headed towards ANYWHERE NEAR the north end of the gas station as they ALL describe the official story is toast.

3) How come you had Brooks draw his flight path standing in the location he was NOT AT on 9/11? He should have drawn it from the parking lot but he did not.

No reason for this. I simply forgot to get Brooks to draw the flight path at first. It went down like this.......

Brooks met me at 7:00am and we conducted the interview. Lagasse met me at 7:30 and waited off to the side. (he heard none of Brooks testimony)

Lagasse drove me across the street so I could film him at the station and Brooks left. After I got Lagasse to draw the flight path I remembered that I forgot to get Brooks to draw one so I called him and asked him to come back. He did. Lagasse stuck around because he was very interested to see how much Brooks' flight path matched his. Since we were already at the station I didn't even think about getting him to go back across the street for this. They are quite familiar with the area and you saw how hard Brooks thought about everything and surveyed the area before drawing his flight path!

(he said he liked the "time" track we played too!)

Bottom line there is no reason to split hairs about the extremely minor discrepancies in where they place the plane. They only need to be somewhat correct and the official story is toast. In fact for the official story to be true they all had to be WILDLY and INSANELY incorrect in the exact same way! It's simply not the least bit logical or plausible to think this is the case.

Notice how Brooks' path curves as if the plane had banked. Since he says "by then it was a straight line" he is suggesting it was banking before the straight line.

Look at that. Just look at it! Clearly from their perfect vantage points the official story is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE reality.

The physical damage flight path has ZERO room for error and ALL of these witnesses had to have completely hallucinated the same thing or else be utterly insane to have mistaken the flight path this bad.

 

[Lyte Trip]

It's really simple Lyte, the last true track was 61.2 degrees. Rotating a true north oriented overhead map of the area exactly 61.2 degrees and drawing a line over the impact point - shows the aircrafts track over the ground during the final moments. That track lines up perfectly with the light poles and mechanical damage. Forgetting your magical animation for a moment, do you agree with this statement:

That final FDR track of 61.2 degrees lines up perfectly with the light poles and mechanical damage path?

If not, explain and show your work.



No, it isn't. The animation heading is not backed up by anything from the FDR. If you think it is, show your evidence. Its approximately 20 degrees off from:

• The CSV
• The NTSB plots
• PfTs conversion of the raw FDR file.

The animation shows an 80 true track. It was a mistake. When rotating the ground image to account for magnetic variation(10.5 degrees in that area), the person rotated the ground map in the wrong direction. Please stop clinging to the animation. It's really pathetic.

You are wrong.

The plane would not have taken off from a farmer's field.

You are not smarter than the NTSB and they have not acknowledged that "mistake".

This is off topic though. Feel free to go to PFT if you wish to discuss the FDR.

The witnesses report something entirely different from the FDR and the FDR represents something entirely different than the physical damage path.

It's quite a quandary for the official story.

 

[Bobert]

I like how when brooks was talking at one point they changed the music to a really bad 70's porn soudtrack.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Lyte.

How do you explain the DNA found at the scene, which fits the passengers on flight 77? There were 102 specialists analysing that DNA. There are family members that had relatives on that flight, who donated DNA samples for the positive ID. Are they all lying?

How do you know the DNA came from the pentagon? How do the "102 specialists" know that? Did the same scientists who analyzed the DNA also collect it?

How do you explain, that not a single person in the world saw a fly-over?

Many people saw it. They were simply told it was one of a few other planes including one that allegedly "shadowed" the AA jet and veered off just after the explosion.

How do you explain, that no radar in the world shows flight 77 after it hit the Pentagon?

Have you seen all the radar data in the world? Have you seen any of it? How do you know that ATC wasn't confused with other planes in the area? In fact we know from the 9/11 commission that they were quite confused.

How do you explain the damage, that fits that of a plane?

Ha! It most certainly does not. This deserves it's own thread and I will eventually make one.

How do you explain the debris, that fits that of a flight 77?

More like lack of it. Bottom line if the plane was anywhere remotely near where the witnesses place it the debris can not be from the passenger jet that flew over arlington at tree top level just after 9:30am on 9/11/2001.

 

[Arus808]

How do you know the DNA came from the pentagon? How do the "102 specialists" know that? Did the same scientists who analyzed the DNA also collect it?

You had ample time to interview the workers there, and of course verify the chain of evidence/ you know the exact chain of evidence that was used to CONVICT Mossaoui at his own trial

This is your cop-out Lyte, and you know it, because the DNA proves your theory wrong you rather dismiss it as "well how do we know it came from blah blah" because THERE is no way you can make it disappear

THE dna evidence found was tested by separate laboratories and verified.

You can't escape the scientific method Lyte

Now, address the DNA evidence. Explain how the DNA got there that prove the passengers were aboard the plane and those that were killed who were working in the pentagon at the time of the attack

Do not answre with "How do you know its that". because that is a cop-out and shows your flagrant dishonesty.

 

[Alt+F4]

How do you know the DNA came from the pentagon? How do the "102 specialists" know that? Did the same scientists who analyzed the DNA also collect it?

Those who don't believe that AA77 hit the Pentagon have two options when dealing with the fact that all but one of the bodies were identified. The first option:
1. The AA77 passengers were murdered elsewhere and the perpetrators planted their DNA at the crash scene. Logistically impossible.

or...

2. The bodies and DNA recovered at the crash scene were not the victims of the attack so all those involved in the identifications are "in on it".

Many of these conspiracy liars seem to think it some lab tech is given a slide and told, "get me the dna on this" and therefore has no idea what's really going on. Total nonsense. Here's an article on their procedures:

http://www.afip.org/Departments/legalmed/legmed2002/kelly.htm

Lyte, this article names names. Why didn't you interview them, after all, you're intrested in the truth right?

Can any of these conspiracy liars prove that the chain of evidence was falseified in anyway?

 

[Lyte Trip]

Lyte, what did the eyewitnesses watching from the other side of the river (Scott P. Cook, Ken Ford) and the people watching from apartments in the Crystal City or Pentagon City area (Steve Storti, Tim Timmerman, Dave Winslow) -- most or all of whom probably would have been in a better position to see a flyover vs. a crash -- have to say about your theory?

First of all if the citgo witnesses are remotely correct in their placement of the plane it has been proven that it did not hit the building and it would stand to reason that some of these witnesses MAY be plants.

I do not believe they all are in fact we had a decent email dialog with Scott Cook. He did not see the plane that allegedly hit the Pentagon at all nor would he have been able to at his location across the potomac.

Here is his view:

He DID see other planes including the C-130. Him and his co-worker were monitoring the skies but didn't notice the explosion until a bit afterwards so the plane would have been already significantly passed the building.

Bottom line the flyover plane was blended with the C-130 and the E4B and reports by people like Keith Wheelhouse (talked to him on the phone 3 times) and Joel Sucherman (interviewed him at his office) that a plane "shadowed" the AA jet and veered away just after the explosion.

Also, the reason there are a bunch of quotes from USA Today and Gannett people is because (1) the road was right on the way to the buildings where they were based then, and (2) they were right down the hall from lots of other reporters and therefore easy to interview and include in stories (rule #1 of the press: reporters are lazy).

Yes that is the excuse and yes it was on their way to work but it is STILL extremely unlikely. Rossyln is a major metropolis with many highrises housing many different organizations.

We are talking about a stretch of highway that is less than a 1/4 mile long!

Plus these are all high level employees reporters/editors.

Perhaps it is a coincidence. Throw that on the pile for you kooky coincidence theorists to refer back to later.

I can say that NONE of them directly contradict the citgo witnesses though and Mike Walter even SUPPORTS our flight path by reporting a "slow and graceful bank"!

There would be no bank that Mike Walter could possibly have seen in the physical damage flight path.

I do find it quite suspicious that he and other USA Today/Gannett employees were so descriptive of the alleged impact that they wouldn't have been able to see due to the trees.

 

[Lyte Trip]

Alt+F4 and Arus808,

If the citgo witnesses are remotely correct in their placement of the plane we know for a fact that the DNA didn't come from the Pentagon.

You know damn well that none of the scientists actually collected the DNA and you know damn well it will be virtually impossible to interview those that allegedly did.

Plus EVEN IF we could interview those that collected samples of material from the pentagon to be analyzed for DNA you have no way of proving this is what really made it under the microscope.

The evidence we presented in The PentaCon is first hand testimony.

Nobody will ever know for sure the chain of custody of the DNA.

 

[Bobert]

Typical BS from Lyte.
How does one type such filth?

Lyte has ALWAYS believed in the fantasy of no plane hitting the pentagon.

A year before he began his "investigation" he believed that the DNA was planted and the passangers of flight 77 were "gassed" or "taken somewhere and executed".

He then began his "investigation" and fit everything neatly around what he already believed.

How does one become soooo delusional that they will claim DNA is planted and publicly state this WITHOUT TALKING TO THE PEOPLE HE IS ACCUSING OF PLANTING THE EVIDENCE?

You are a fraud Lyte.
You are a disgusting human being and a pathetic excuse for a researcher.

 

[Lyte Trip]

For the record: I most certainly did begin my investigation because of the serious anomalies in the official story. All investigators work off suspicions. I have never claimed to know what happened to the victims.

We went to Arlington to find out for ourselves what people saw and to report it. They all saw a low flying twin engine passenger jet airliner. We reported it. All that were in a position to tell saw it pass over to the north side of Columbia Pike and the gas station. We reported it.


If they saw the plane on the south side of the station hit the light poles etc.....we would have reported it. In fact if there is anyone that is still willing to come out and directly contradict the citgo witnesses we will report it.

It's not our fault that the plane did not do this and that we found enough witnesses to prove it and that none are willing to contradict it.

 

[Bobert]

So you just speculated that the passengers of flight 77 were "gassed" or "taken somewhere and executed"?

What prompted you to speculate this?
Why wont you contact any of the several professionals who had the horrible job of identifying the DNA?
Why is it so easy for you to accuse 100's if not 1000's of people of mass murder?

Edited upon authors request.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: jmercer

 

[Alt+F4]

If the citgo witnesses are remotely correct in their placement of the plane we know for a fact that the DNA didn't come from the Pentagon.

You know damn well that none of the scientists actually collected the DNA and you know damn well it will be virtually impossible to interview those that allegedly did.

Plus EVEN IF we could interview those that collected samples of material from the pentagon to be analyzed for DNA you have no way of proving this is what really made it under the microscope.

The evidence we presented in The PentaCon is first hand testimony.

Nobody will ever know for sure the chain of custody of the DNA.

You're saying two different things here. One, that the DNA is from the victims but it wasn't recovered from the crash site. And two, that the DNA isn't from the victims and the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology is lying. Which is it?

 

[DavidJames]

Why wont you contact any of the several professionals who had the horrible job of identifying the DNA?

The same reason he hasn't followed up with any major media or authorities with his "evidence", he knows it will be laughed at and ignored.

He is a fraud and coward. Lyte is in it for his ego, period.

 

[Lyte Trip]

You're saying two different things here. One, that the DNA is from the victims but it wasn't recovered from the crash site. And two, that the DNA isn't from the victims and the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology is lying. Which is it?

Where did I say they are lying?