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9/11 truth cannot be proved with science. so how can it be proved?

MRC_Hans said:
And the answer is: Yes it is indeed falsifiable. But it has not been falsified-

Hans
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It has been so debunked as anything could be. Why do you as a Dane feel the urge to defend the criminal Bush regime and its wars in the ME?
 
oahuoahu said:
the science obviously goes against 9/11 truth in all areas and completely proves that it was not a controlled demolition.
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Oh its very easy to work out what happened on 911.

It all hinges on the collapse of the towers - 3 steel frame buildings, effectively huge springs, shattered like glass in seconds - an event that could not occur without the use of explosives.

Explosives require planning and preparation.
Planning and preparation require time and access.
Time and access = inside job.

Unless you think its plausible that the 19 hijackers, mostly of Saudi origin, had free access to roam around the WTC complex for weeks before 911 performing the preparation.

Now the 'proof' of this, is something that can only be arrived at during the course of an investigation.

We need another one - its very simple.
 
pagan said:
It has been so debunked as anything could be. Why do you as a Dane feel the urge to defend the criminal Bush regime and its wars in the ME?
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There is a name for that fallcy, but I can't be bothered to look it up.

What I, or anybody else, feel about the Bush administration and it's politics is totally irrelevant for the 911 discussion, and I'm not defending it in any way.

I am observing that the evidence says that 911 is not among its possible crimes.

And no, it has not been debunked. Quite the contrary.

Hans
 
scooby said:
Oh its very easy to work out what happened on 911.

It all hinges on the collapse of the towers - 3 steel frame buildings, effectively huge springs, shattered like glass in seconds - an event that could not occur without the use of explosives.

Explosives require planning and preparation.
Planning and preparation require time and access.
Time and access = inside job.

Unless you think its plausible that the 19 hijackers, mostly of Saudi origin, had free access to roam around the WTC complex for weeks before 911 performing the preparation.

Now the 'proof' of this, is something that can only be arrived at during the course of an investigation.

We need another one - its very simple.
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If your basic assumption that the buildings couldn't collapse the way they did without the use of explosives was true, then that would be evidence. It's not true, so it's not evidence. Any qualified investigation would reveal the same. It is not in any dispute whatsoever. Please understand this.
 
scooby said:
Oh its very easy to work out what happened on 911.

It all hinges on the collapse of the towers - 3 steel frame buildings, effectively huge springs, shattered like glass in seconds - an event that could not occur without the use of explosives.
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Not bad work there, scooby. In those few sentences you managed to demonstrate total ignorance on both general physics and on what actually happend on 911. ..Total ignorance, or total disregard for facts, make your own pick.

Explosives require planning and preparation.
Planning and preparation require time and access.
Time and access = inside job.
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Yes. Explosives would be strong evidence for an inside job (heck, even for insiders, wiring three huge buildings for demolition in secrecy would be an formidable task). However, there is no evidence for explosives.

Unless you think its plausible that the 19 hijackers, mostly of Saudi origin, had free access to roam around the WTC complex for weeks before 911 performing the preparation.
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I cannot imagine anybody thinks the hijackers wired the buildings for demolition. After all, they had other methods.....

Now the 'proof' of this, is something that can only be arrived at during the course of an investigation.

We need another one - its very simple.
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Oh, I really don't mind another investigation, as long as I'm not footing the bill. What would you suggest they investigated, this time?

Hans
 
oahuoahu said:
if those 15 peoples confessions were found to be credible, then that would imo be grounds for investigations to find out if their telling the truth about the aliens. and then if we found the aliens, sure aliens did it
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if we found the aliens

Note that.

You are saying here that collaborative evidence has been found. We've discovered something solid, which can be verified by observation, which can be examined by science, researched in detail and from which a theory can be developed.

It's just not enough for 15 people to come forward and state "hey, we wired up WTC7 to blow". We'd have to find physical evidence to support their claims, else it's more likely that these 15 people have been confused somehow. Or are lying or something.

Cheers,
TGHO
 
MRC_Hans said:
What I, or anybody else, feel about the Bush administration and it's politics is totally irrelevant for the 911 discussion, and I'm not defending it in any way.




Hans
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Min käre Dansk, så korkad får man inte vara. Det är inte tillåtet, det finns en skandinavisk lag mot det.

Irrelevant??? Are you nuts? The aggressive policies in the ME are a direct result of 911. They are using 911 as a pretext for going to war. Also in American internal politics we have a post 911 situation with new legislation, patriot act and homeland security etc.
 
scooby said:
Oh its very easy to work out what happened on 911.

It all hinges on the collapse of the towers - 3 steel frame buildings, effectively huge springs, shattered like glass in seconds - an event that could not occur without the use of explosives.

Explosives require planning and preparation.
Planning and preparation require time and access.
Time and access = inside job.

Unless you think its plausible that the 19 hijackers, mostly of Saudi origin, had free access to roam around the WTC complex for weeks before 911 performing the preparation.

Now the 'proof' of this, is something that can only be arrived at during the course of an investigation.

We need another one - its very simple.
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No we don't. The investigation didn't turn up any evidence what so ever of explosives at the WTC site. None at all. The investigation also clearly showed that the planes hitting the buildings is what caused the buildings to come down.

If you believe otherwise, then you need to present the evidence. You need to actually show that it was a CD event. And since it wasn't, and there is no evidence to support this theory, you're going to come up short.

Sorry dude, but thems the breaks. :)

Cheers,
TGHO
 
pagan said:
Min käre Dansk, så korkad får man inte vara. Det är inte tillåtet, det finns en skandinavisk lag mot det.

Irrelevant??? Are you nuts? The aggressive policies in the ME are a direct result of 911. They are using 911 as a pretext for going to war. Also in American internal politics we have a post 911 situation with new legislation, patriot act and homeland security etc.
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They may be doing that but it is still totally irrelevant for the discussion of what happend on 911. That B is the cause of C is totally irrelevant to the discussion of whether A caused B.

Hans

ETA: Oh, and your Swedish sucks.
 
The CT mindset

Slothrop said:
If your basic assumption that the buildings couldn't collapse the way they did without the use of explosives was true, then that would be evidence. It's not true, so it's not evidence. Any qualified investigation would reveal the same. It is not in any dispute whatsoever. Please understand this.
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If scooby really believed this, he'd be trying to contact an independent engineer to confirm his beliefs. If it were really obvious, then someone qualified would confirm scooby's viewpoint. That he not only does not attempt to contact engineers and scientists, but actively avoids them, and abuses the people who do contact them, together with the engineers and scientists themselves, shows the extent to which he really believes the demolition story.

He could prove me wrong very easily. Launch google - find a structural engineer from somewhere outside the reach of US intimidation or bribery - and send him an email. Then publish the correspondence. I'd end up looking like a complete fool, and so would the other debunkers, when the detailed engineering analysis showed that the towers were demolished, and could not have been destroyed by the impacts and fire.

This won't happen though. Scooby won't contact an overseas engineer. He won't even launch google. He'll quote Jones and Wood (neither of whom subscribe to his weird explosives + thermite theory) as having sufficient expertise. He'll refer to common sense, and what's entirely obvious. He'll call for an investigation, but he won't make any effort to investigate.

That's the CT mindset, and that's why it's fundamentally unproductive.
 
1) oahuoahu, why do you format your posts in a manner that is painful to read?
2) de Carabas, why do you have a monkey humping a goat in your sig?
 
oahuoahu said:
soo are you saying if 15 special ops demolition crew members went public and said "I helped rig the buildings for demolition" , that would not prove it was an inside job?

its a yes or no question




special operations demolitions crew are people who are

1 ) they are in military special forces

2 ) they are highly skilled in demolition

3 ) their squads or platoon contains over a dozen people who are highly skilled in demolition
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A 12 man Army Special Forces Operational Detachment Alpha (ODA), which is as close as you are going to get, will have 2 sergeants who are trained as engineers. They are not a "special ops demolition team" however. They are not trained to carry out large scale demolition projects, but to handle things like disabling bridges and roads, mine clearing and such.
 
scooby said:
It all hinges on the collapse of the towers - 3 steel frame buildings, effectively huge springs, shattered like glass in seconds - an event that could not occur without the use of explosives.
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...Aaand entering the Stundie charts at number 8, with a bullet: scooby and his World Trade Center springy skyscrapers that shatter like glass!
 
Gravy said:
...Aaand entering the Stundie charts at number 8, with a bullet: scooby and his World Trade Center springy skyscrapers that shatter like glass!
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It must have been explosives, otherwise the planes would have bounced off the WTC with a SPOINNNNNNG noise. Or something :confused:
 
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Noooo springs!!
 
oahuoahu said:
ok im going to sleep now. i cant post anymore for like 12 hours....

i have to wake up early so i can trade stocks! muahahahaha

cya
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So your the guy who bought all the put options from Buzzy. Why did you admit to insider trading?
 
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