Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

[kitakaze]

Ho ho... man, that was ripe, Correa. My favourite part was the very cool astronomer Julieta Fierro. (paraphrased) 'Hey, look at me! I'm a great big googly monster from Uranus. Prove me wrong, jackass!'

 

[LAL]

Tube has shown he can produce Chilcutt Ridges (TM) by pouring a cast.

But not by using Onion Mountain soil.

One of the most compelling casts are from Wrinkle Foot. They were taken in mud. I haven't seen an explanation of how "dessication ridges" or "Crowley lines" could occur in mud.

Bill's a perfect example of someone who will seize on any idea, no matter how absurd, as long as it supports his hoax hypothesis. There's no reasoning with someone like that.

Look like he's copped Harry Henderson's style. Got another BFF lurker, have we?

 

[LAL]

I think it's because you're more interested in a biased presentation of information in such a way that you think supports a case for bigfoot.

I posted the relevant part; when I post too much I get accused of "spamming". I was interested in the native name since there's been discussion on those. (I see I didn't post the link. Sorry.)

No reports to conservation officers means nothing. How many people report at all to anyone?

A friend's brother-in-law saw a cougar in a tree 10' from him and his child near Shining Rock. When he reported it to the rangers, he was told there are no cougars in the area. Is this a case of official denial?

On one of my DVDs, a ranger is interviewed saying people had told him of seeing something unusual but he didn't say what. This was following the Dr. Johnson sighting near Oregon Caves.

I wouldn't have the slightest idea where to find a conservation officer to report to.

Sorry, but JMHO.I think you're contradicting yourself:

There's something in between sea level and windswept peaks.

The Washington population may be mostly around 3000', but I've mentioned the events in the Gorge that were much lower, especially when the snow pack was so heavy many animals were driven down from higher elevations.
There are a number of reports, native and otherwise, of sasquatches eating clams so yes, they might venture down for a number of reasons.

Come again? We're talking about traditional reference to sasquatch habitat by a First Nation tribe of Vancouver Island. Cougars, wolves, golden eagles, bears, and humans hunted the marmots.

Sasquatches may too, but they wouldn't necessarily leave much in the way of sign, especially on rock.

What's the food supply matter?

Food is abundant in the montane forests, sparse above timberline. An animal requiring some 5000 calories a day wouldn't spend much time foraging where there's little to no food would it, when there's ample food below?

Yes, cadborosaurus and ghost sightings, too.

What? No UFOs?

What are their waters and how did you determine that?

Forested areas, often near large bodies of water, from sightings and other evidence.

Is Iowa part of their waters?

I don't know.

http://showcase.netins.net/web/iccb/

I was thinking of multiple sightings near The Dalles, Oregon, e.g., which is pretty dry, but there's forest fairly close and it's near a large river.

Not very supportive, was it?

Not very clear, was it?

So why are people who live in the PNW about 100 times more likely to see animals that don't exist than people in Iowa?

 

[Skeptical Greg]

I haven't seen an explanation of how "dessication ridges" or "Crowley lines" could occur in mud.
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We haven't seen an example of them occurring in mud ..

Do you have an example ?

If you are talking about the Elkins creek print, it has repeatedly been shown that the ' dermals ' are mud suction artifacts..
How easily you can get this effect has been demonstrated by BFF members ...


( someone who is not on Lu's denial list, please quote this, so she can no longer claim she hasn't seen an explanation )

 

[kitakaze]

We haven't seen an example of them occurring in mud ..

Do you have an example ?

If you are talking about the Elkins creek print, it has repeatedly been shown that the ' dermals ' are mud suction artifacts..
How easily you can get this effect has been demonstrated by BFF members ...


( someone who is not on Lu's denial list, please quote this, so she can no longer claim she hasn't seen an explanation )

Let me get that for you.

 

[kitakaze]

I posted the relevant part; when I post too much I get accused of "spamming". I was interested in the native name since there's been discussion on those. (I see I didn't post the link. Sorry.)

No reports to conservation officers means nothing. How many people report at all to anyone?

A friend's brother-in-law saw a cougar in a tree 10' from him and his child near Shining Rock. When he reported it to the rangers, he was told there are no cougars in the area. Is this a case of official denial?

On one of my DVDs, a ranger is interviewed saying people had told him of seeing something unusual but he didn't say what. This was following the Dr. Johnson sighting near Oregon Caves.

I wouldn't have the slightest idea where to find a conservation officer to report to.

So basically forest rangers and forest service people all over the continent are well aware of the 'others' in the woods but there keeping it on the down-low because why? I mean, if people who just show up for a camping trip or whatever consistently report these creatures then the people who work in those areas must be well aware, particularily in hotspots, yes? Not to mention bigfoot is consistently reported in areas that aren't exactly rural. The newest BC report from the outskirts of my hometown, Victoria for example.

There's something in between sea level and windswept peaks.

What's with the windswept peaks? You keep acting like the VIM's are sitting on the tops of Everest-like towers. Do you think the wolves are there just for the marmots? Again, look at the field research images and tell me they're not in sasquatch habitat. I think the issue has you scrambling for a place for the bigfoots to be where people keeping a sharp eye out won't find them and it's not working very well. JMHO.

Sasquatches may too, but they wouldn't necessarily leave much in the way of sign, especially on rock.

Gymnastic hooey. What's with the rock? Seriously, I know you've seen the pictures. You don't buy that for a second and I know it. And why exactly would an 8ft bipedal hair covered primate leave less sign than a wolf or cougar? I think mangler will probably jump on that if he's still with us.

Food is abundant in the montane forests, sparse above timberline. An animal requiring some 5000 calories a day wouldn't spend much time foraging where there's little to no food would it, when there's ample food below?

I really get the feeling you're not being level with me on this otherwise you wouldn't keep this up. There's no reason why field researchers shoudn't have come across reliable evidence at the very least, except for the obvious point that bigfoot is most likely a myth. Also, how are bigfoots getting their 5000 calories a day and not leaving sign of it?

What? No UFOs?

Yes, those too. Bigfoot evidently likes to sometimes board them in front of peoples eyes.

So why are people who live in the PNW about 100 times more likely to see animals that don't exist than people in Iowa?

You're not really helping your case for bigfoot buy pulling a number out of a hat and explaining just how comparatively common bigfoot is in a given area. There's no reason bigfoot shouldn't have been identified in the PNW or Iowa if they are really there.

 

[LAL]

Not necessarily. New species of rodents have been discovered in standard small mammal live traps. A field researcher is studying Rodent X, and all of a sudden Rodent Z shows up in the trap. It was never observed before becoming the type specimen.

I can see that happening with rodents. Large mammals tend to get shot.

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I know that Bigfooters tend to liken the history of big mammal discoveries to that of Bigfoot. But there is a great difference between the present status of Bigfoot and what happened with those other famous mammals. The most striking difference is that nobody can confirm Bigfoot no matter who they are, or where they are coming from. That didn't happen with gorillas, okapis, etc. It appears that Bigfoot only exposes himself to local people. When professionals (who could easily acquire DNA from hair, saliva, etc.) go to Bigfoot territories they do not bring back evidence of their presence. Even "hotspots" yield nothing at all.

Just where are you getting this information?

How would you go about collecting unidentified saliva in the wild?

Hair brought in by Bob Titmus was later found to be from the Gorilla-chimpanzee-human group but matched none of them. There's DNA, but it's too frgmented for sequencing.

This brings me back to that question I asked last month. Do all Bigfoots live in some remote valley that nobody ever goes to? IOW, do Bigfoots make walking forays away from their permanent residence - leading to sightings away from where they are based with nobody actually finding their base.

The lifestyle seems to be like that of Orangutans. Do they require a "base"?

Patterson only would have gotten his wish if so many scientists thought the film was authentic. It seems quite clear that important scientists and scientific institutions saw the PGF and decided it was a hoax.

He called for tracking dogs before the film was developed. He thought Don Abbott at least would be interested. The film was well-received by some of the primatologists at Yerkes. It was dismissed at the Museum of Natural History and the Smithsonian for very weak reasons. Scientists at the AMNH said, after 15 minutes,

"It is not Kosher because it is impossible."

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/articles/pursuit68.htm

The attitude would still seem to be, "I'll believe it when I see it."

 

[LAL]

Let me get that for you.

Greg has said this on BFF; it has not been "shown". The characterisics are present.

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/sbs/elkins.html

Jimmy Chilcutt is the only ape fingerprint expert, BTW.

Please stop reposting his comments. I'm not interested in anything he has to say.

 

[LTC8K6]

Are there more bears in the PNW or Iowa?

 

[kitakaze]

Black bear status in Iowa. As of 2002 16 confirmed black bear sightings in Iowa and 2 reported sightings.

To date, BFRO's database has 35 reports, 0 confirmed. Bigfoots don't do confirmation.

 

[Correa Neto]

Ho ho... man, that was ripe, Correa. My favourite part was the very cool astronomer Julieta Fierro. (paraphrased) 'Hey, look at me! I'm a great big googly monster from Uranus. Prove me wrong, jackass!'

You saw THE EVIDENCE, the witnesses were POLICE OFFICERS! The second officer was clearly DISTURBED!!! What's needed to SCARE A POLICE OFFICER?

Are you calling both officers LIARS?

And there's also the movie.

You say the EVIDENCE is NOT enough to say flying witches at least ARE POSSIBLE?

Denialist!

 

[Belz...]

Large mammals tend to get shot.

But not bigfoot. No, Bigfoot is immune to bullets.

How would you go about collecting unidentified saliva in the wild?

Step 1: go in the wild.

The attitude would still seem to be, "I'll believe it when I see it."

Yes, and so far, zilch.

 

[kitakaze]

Greg has said this on BFF; it has not been "shown". The characterisics are present.

http://www.bigfootencounters.com/sbs/elkins.html

Jimmy Chilcutt is the only ape fingerprint expert, BTW.

Please stop reposting his comments. I'm not interested in anything he has to say.

Chilcutt is no casting expert and certainly any expertise he does have has not helped him from making some obvious errors. How come tracking dogs showed no interest in the OM tracks?

Also, if you don't want to read Greg's post then don't. I accomodated his request, just as I would for you, anyone currently on your ignore list, or any other sincere participant of this discussion.

 

[kitakaze]

You saw THE EVIDENCE, the witnesses were POLICE OFFICERS! The second officer was clearly DISTURBED!!! What's needed to SCARE A POLICE OFFICER?

Are you calling both officers LIARS?

And there's also the movie.

You say the EVIDENCE is NOT enough to say flying witches at least ARE POSSIBLE?

Denialist!

Sweet Zombie Jesus (pronounced 'hey zeus')! Chupacabras are witch familiars!?

 

[drapier]

But not bigfoot. No, Bigfoot is immune to bullets.

Not according to this post:

Hunters have shot them. There are pictures.

There are even pictures.

 

[trvlr2]

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re are a number of reports, native and otherwise, of sasquatches eating clams so yes, they might venture down for a number of reasons.



Sasquatches may too, but they wouldn't necessarily leave much in the way of sign, especially on rock.

Clams don't grow in rock.







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So why are people who live in the PNW about 100 times more likely to see animals that don't exist than people in Iowa?

Legalized drugs?

 

[LAL]

Chilcutt is no casting expert and certainly any expertise he does have has not helped him from making some obvious errors.

What obvious errors?

How come tracking dogs showed no interest in the OM tracks?

One dog - White Lady. She did at first- she turned "as rigid as if she'd been given an electric shock". They didn't try to follow until dawn. The last place she showed interest was the last place the scent would have hung. (John Green, The Apes Among Us, pg. 75.)

 

[LAL]

Sasquatches may too, but they wouldn't necessarily leave much in the way of sign, especially on rock.

Clams don't grow in rock.

They're on the beaches. Yes, trackways have been found on PNW beaches.

The Marmots are in rock.

 

[LAL]

But not bigfoot. No, Bigfoot is immune to bullets.

Says who?

Step 1: go in the wild.

Yeah, really easy to find drool on leaves. I lived in the wild. I didn't find rabbit hair.

Yes, and so far, zilch.

Do you mean zilch or no body that's been presented to science yet?

You didn't answer my question; where are you getting your information?

 

[kitakaze]

What obvious errors?

Stating that lines running along the edges of certain casts are dermatoglyphics.

One dog - White Lady. She did at first- she turned "as rigid as if she'd been given an electric shock". They didn't try to follow until dawn. The last place she showed interest was the last place the scent would have hung. (John Green, The Apes Among Us, pg. 75.)

Mr. Green's words:

The Onion Mountain tracks were a different matter, not very many, not very good (in the end I kept no casts and there never were any good pictures) and much trampled about. The tracking dog showed no interest in them--and we were told that the lines that could be seen in them were made by someone, named but I have long forgotten who, who had put a cigar in the dust in each track for scale as he photographed it.