9/11 — The Myth & the Reality

T.A.M. said:
I think he'll have little credibility amongst that crowd regardless. 99.9% will be fellow truthers, with the odd curious person for good measure. I'd say do both.

TAM:)
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You might be surprised. I was at a conference yesterday, and several of the people were there out of curiosity. Popping in to see what it's all about.

But they will ask you what your motive, or agenda, is.
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
That's what I see most of you here do. And I rarely post links to any vids or sites (for this very reason).
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well that a lie (no surprise). we've posted links. and video do not prove anything at all (sorry but in REAL science, the experts do not rely soley on videos to help them investigate). Just because you ignore the replies that contain these links doesn't mean that we haven't provided them.

Ignorance is not a form of defense, and you can't defend yourself by saying that we haven't provided links to papers that specifically debunk your "claims", when we have. Numerous times.
 
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skepticalcriticalguy said:
Well, twoofers think they are saving the world. From a conspiratorial coup (I guess that's redundent, all coups are conspiratorial), or the evil Bushes.

But they have no evidence, so it won't do them any good.

What's in it for you guys? You spend a HELL of a lot of time on this. While time is ticking by, and you get older. Why waste your time?

Are you trying to save the world too? If so, from what? Is it worth your time to eradicate stupidity? I would argue that nothing you're doing is eradicating even a tiny speck of stupidity. So there must be something more to this. Something psychological (if you folks believe in psychology). Or something... sinister?

I guess I just don't get it. What's the point?
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All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
Well, twoofers think they are saving the world. From a conspiratorial coup (I guess that's redundent, all coups are conspiratorial), or the evil Bushes.

But they have no evidence, so it won't do them any good.

What's in it for you guys? You spend a HELL of a lot of time on this. While time is ticking by, and you get older. Why waste your time?

Are you trying to save the world too? If so, from what? Is it worth your time to eradicate stupidity? I would argue that nothing you're doing is eradicating even a tiny speck of stupidity. So there must be something more to this. Something psychological (if you folks believe in psychology). Or something... sinister?

I guess I just don't get it. What's the point?
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Easy...the power of the internet, and trusting human nature.

For me, if I let the truth movement go about its business, it will be free and unhampered to spue falsehoods and speculation to those who want to know the real truth...who want the FACTS and EVIDENCE on 9/11. Call me a guardian against the snake oil salesmen, if you will. That is the ONLY reason I do this, and will continue to do so.

Every time one of the truthers says something unproven or false, I will be there, if I can, to try to set them straight, or to atleast provide other, more reliable and respected sources on the given point or topic.

TAM:)
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
You might be surprised. I was at a conference yesterday, and several of the people were there out of curiosity. Popping in to see what it's all about.
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and people rubberneck on the freeway after a big accident because they are curious; curiosity doesn't mean they'll accept anything that is being claimed.
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
What's in it for you guys? You spend a HELL of a lot of time on this. While time is ticking by, and you get older. Why waste your time?

...I guess I just don't get it. What's the point?
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Read kookbreaker's first post on this page. We don't consider countering ignorance about such a serious topic to be a waste of time. In addition, here are some reasons I gave in September to a debunker who was wondering if it was worth confronting the truthers at Ground Zero on Saturdays:

"Why We Fight"

– So that on September 11, 2007, people can go to Ground Zero without running into a crowd of uniformed "patriots" marching behind a ranting charismatic leader to shout "Murderer!" outside the business of a wealthy Jewish "conspirator."

– Because these creeps have the nerve to call themselves a "truth movement."

– Because they choose to spread their excrement at Ground Zero.

– Because it's a bad idea to ignore – or to deny the existence of – terrorists who say they want to kill me.

– Because it's difficult for people who were more seriously affected by the attacks to debate the creeps with dignity.

– Because firefighters thanked us for learning about what they do and standing up for them. Because the creeps make it necessary to defend the people who would enter the maw of hell to save them.

– Because this isn't just about 9/11. It's about reason vs. deliberate ignorance, the joys of learning vs. intellectual cowardice, professionalism vs. hacksterism, the scientific method vs. blind faith, compassion vs. blind hatred.

– Because the creeps have difficulty with reality, and when we confront them in the flesh, demand that they produce evidence to back their claims, and publicly demonstrate how arrogantly uninformed they are, it's undeniably real. Not only can they not ignore us, we aggravate the hell out of them.

– Because I believe that, except for a few of them, they are capable of learning and have learned and will continue to learn. It's a hard slog, because rather than taking an analytical approach to the information we present, their default position is adversarial. Very well. My position is that if they refuse to sit down to a civilized tea with the facts, they will be hammered with them. I have some projects in the works that I think will be very effective in that regard. They've been at this for years. We've taken a few small steps in a few months and have already made a big difference.
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T.A.M. said:
Easy...the power of the internet, and trusting human nature.

For me, if I let the truth movement go about its business, it will be free and unhampered to spue falsehoods and speculation to those who want to know the real truth...who want the FACTS and EVIDENCE on 9/11. Call me a guardian against the snake oil salesmen, if you will. That is the ONLY reason I do this, and will continue to do so.

Every time one of the truthers says something unproven or false, I will be there, if I can, to try to set them straight, or to atleast provide other, more reliable and respected sources on the given point or topic.

TAM:)
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OK, but if it's all a pack of lies, then nothing will ever come of it, anyway. Meanwhile, you are spending a LOT of time you could be enjoying a nice day, going to the beach, etc.

You seem to have so much bitter disdain for anybody who would even open their mind to the possibility of something other than 19 Moslem hijackers/OBL. You aren't out to "help them." Or save them from snake oil salesmen. You are out to ridicule them and be superior to them. And that's where you lose them every time.
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
That's what I see most of you here do. And I rarely post links to any vids or sites (for this very reason).
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No scg, when we link to a video we also discuss the aspects of it in detail. CT's post w/o comment, and refuse to discuss them. Your posts here are all just snide remarks from the peanut galery - you refuse to discuss your beliefs, won't explain why you believe as you do, bring no facts to bear in support of your beliefs. 9/11 CT is your religion - an article of faith that cannot be questioned or discussed.
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
You seem to have so much bitter disdain for anybody who would even open their mind to the possibility of something other than 19 Moslem hijackers/OBL. You aren't out to "help them." Or save them from snake oil salesmen. You are out to ridicule them and be superior to them. And that's where you lose them every time.
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No, we have "bitter disdain" for troofers who go around accusing people (such as Larry Silverstein) of mass murder w/o a single scrap of evidence. None, zip, zilch, nada.
 
WildCat said:
No scg, when we link to a video we also discuss the aspects of it in detail. CT's post w/o comment, and refuse to discuss them. Your posts here are all just snide remarks from the peanut galery - you refuse to discuss your beliefs, won't explain why you believe as you do, bring no facts to bear in support of your beliefs. 9/11 CT is your religion - an article of faith that cannot be questioned or discussed.
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Many, if not most of you sling a link, and then say "it's been discussed." Like the other side.
 
WildCat said:
No, we have "bitter disdain" for troofers who go around accusing people (such as Larry Silverstein) of mass murder w/o a single scrap of evidence. None, zip, zilch, nada.
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Again, one man's evidence is another man's bunk. (See the OJ trial).
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
OK, but if it's all a pack of lies, then nothing will ever come of it, anyway.
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Much has come of it, skepticalcriticalguy. Haven't you noticed?

You seem to have so much bitter disdain for anybody who would even open their mind to the possibility of something other than 19 Moslem hijackers/OBL. You aren't out to "help them." Or save them from snake oil salesmen. You are out to ridicule them and be superior to them. And that's where you lose them every time.
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More tiresome whining.

Have a problem with the information we present? Then prove it wrong. Isn't that what rational people do?

Have a claim to promote? Then back it with evidence. Isn't that what rational people do?

Well, stop whining, be an adult, and get to it.
 
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skepticalcriticalguy said:
Again, one man's evidence is another man's bunk. (See the OJ trial).
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How many excuses are you going to come up with for not presenting evidence? Doesn't it bother you that you've been reduced to doing that?

What are you afraid of? I hope you'll think long and hard about that.
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
Well, twoofers think they are saving the world. From a conspiratorial coup (I guess that's redundent, all coups are conspiratorial), or the evil Bushes.

But they have no evidence, so it won't do them any good.

What's in it for you guys? You spend a HELL of a lot of time on this. While time is ticking by, and you get older. Why waste your time?

Are you trying to save the world too? If so, from what? Is it worth your time to eradicate stupidity? I would argue that nothing you're doing is eradicating even a tiny speck of stupidity. So there must be something more to this. Something psychological (if you folks believe in psychology). Or something... sinister?

I guess I just don't get it. What's the point?
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Oh I dunno, it could be the fact that truthers pee all over the graves of the dead with their unsubstantiated, wild ass theories that make no sense and have no evidence.

Some of us are disgusted with the behavior of kids who think they know everything (when they actually know very little), constantly calling heros liars, disgracing the memories of real people who lived real lives and who died that day.

It's utterly dispicable, and you and other truthers should be ashamed. But you are too busy thinking you are superstars and high fiving each other for inane, childish retorts and arugments.

Also, many of us are trying to do our part to eliminate ignorance from the world, because ignorance such as you guys demonstrate is highly dangerous. The same reason why such people fight against Psychics and relgious beliefs, because they believe this crap makes the world a wrose place than it needs to be.

You guys should seriously take a minute to reflect on everything that has happened since 9-11, and realize you are comletely wrong and in denial on it. The sooner you guys do that, the better off everyone will be.
 
Whiplash said:
The same reason why such people fight against Psychics and relgious beliefs, because they believe this crap makes the world a wrose place than it needs to be.
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So is everybody here an atheist? If anybody here is not an atheist, please post and explain.
 
Whiplash said:
You guys should seriously take a minute to reflect on everything that has happened since 9-11
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We do! We see our government out of control, on an imperialistic march. Failing to solve the crimes. (Including anthrax). And rights disappearing. Maybe if that stuff wasn't happening, we would never have questioned 9/11.
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
Again, one man's evidence is another man's bunk. (See the OJ trial).
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And the point is you have no evidence and you keep bringing up OJ?

What did OJ do for or against 9/11? Or do you mean see OJ did not do it? Yes if you take the 9/11 CTers on a jury they would argue and be hung up on BS. What is you point and why are you not able to mention one fact that Griffin has?

State one fact that Griffin has except for the Myth 9! Do not use Myth 9, it is too hard to debunk. Not Myth 9, please do not use Myth 9.

Do you even have a clue what myth 9 is or are you just as clueless about what you think you are talking about as it seems?

Got facts yet?
 
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