Freedom to Fascism

[GwionX]

I don't believe this substantiates your claim with certainty that it was a transformer exploding in the first clip?

How do you know this Gwion?
Which transformer was it?
Where was it?

Was it in the basement of the WTC - I thought you'd already used that one up to explain William Rodriguez?

Don't tell me - it was the backup generator, the one that explodes when you run out of other excuses?

Ya know Scooby, I can only wonder why you don't put this kind of effort and scrutiny in your own claims.

I am open to it being another source. In my life experience that single isolated "bang" captured, in that YouTube video you posted, immediately reminded me of the sound I heard when a transformer exploded at my work last year.

BTW; I couldn't get that second vid of yours to load. I suspect it is footage of the South Tower collapse. If so, when you compare that footage with any other controlled demolition with audio, you will find the sharp explosions happen BEFORE the collapse in all of the controlled demo's. In the South tower footage you are hearing the pancake collapse and the sounds of that DURING , not BEFORE the building fails. That is a BIG difference.

 

[stateofgrace]

I don't believe this substantiates your claim with certainty that it was a transformer exploding in the first clip?

How do you know this Gwion?
Which transformer was it?
Where was it?

Was it in the basement of the WTC - I thought you'd already used that one up to explain William Rodriguez?

Don't tell me - it was the backup generator, the one that explodes when you run out of other excuses?

Scooby,factual summary, any chance?

 

[scooby]

Ya know Scooby, I can only wonder why you don't put this kind of effort and scrutiny in your own claims.

I am open to it being another source. In my life experience that single isolated "bang" captured, in that YouTube video you posted, immediately reminded me of the sound I heard when a transformer exploded at my work last year.

Well, you didn't say that did you?
And now you've said this it only gets worse, as any normal persons reaction, when they hear a huge explosion, is to think ... 'bomb'.

Only afterwards, do alternative explanations overcome that inherent knee-jerk understanding we all carry.

But there have been none.

Unless you want to correct me - is there an official explanation for that explosion? Does this explanation give details about what transformer it was that exploded midway through the events of that day? Where was this transformer? Why did it explode? Where is this explanation?

 

[332nd]

Well, you didn't say that did you?
And now you've said this it only gets worse, as any normal persons reaction, when they hear a huge explosion, is to think ... 'bomb'.

Only afterwards, do alternative explanations overcome that inherent knee-jerk understanding we all carry.

But there have been none.

Unless you want to correct me - is there an official explanation for that explosion? Does this explanation give details about what transformer it was that exploded midway through the events of that day? Where was this transformer? Why did it explode? Where is this explanation?

Is there a truther explanation that explains how this single explosion brought down the tower?

 

[scooby]

What; all of them?

No, just some of them, the ones at the top, the ones that matter.
The ones who are in essence 'the authorities'.
This is rather obvious, and if you had any real confidence in your claims you would not need to obfusticate the issue in this manner.

But again - who cares.

I was just reading this about DRG's new book ...

"By virtue of his previous four books on the subject, David Ray Griffin is widely recognized as one of the leading spokespersons of the 9/11 truth movement, which rejects the official conspiracy theory about 9/11. Although this movement was long ignored by the US government and the mainstream media, recent polls have shown that (as Time magazine has acknowledged) the rejection of the official theory has become "a mainstream political phenomenon." It is not surprising, therefore, that the government and the corporately controlled media have shifted tactics. No longer ignoring the 9/11 truth movement, they have released a flurry of stories and reports aimed at debunking it.

In the present book, David Ray Griffin shows that these attempts can themselves be easily debunked. Besides demonstrating the pitiful failure of Debunking 9/11 Myths (published by Popular Mechanics and endorsed by Senator John McCain), Griffin riddles recent reports and stories put out by the US Department of State, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, the New York Times, Vanity Fair, and Time magazine. He also responds to criticisms of these efforts by left-leaning and Christian publications--which one might have expected to be supportive.
Throughout these critiques, Griffin shows that the charge that is regularly leveled against critics of the official theory--that they employ irrational and unscientific methods to defend conclusions based on faith--actually applies more fully to those who defend the official theory.

This book, by debunking the most prevalent attempts to refute the evidence cited by the 9/11 truth movement, shows that this movement's central claim--that 9/11 was an inside job--remains the only explanation that fits the facts."

http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2007/03/debunkers-debunked.html

Even Time magazine can read the writing on the wall.

 

[Axiom_Blade]

Wow.
So, why does every thread have to be a 9-11 denial thread?

 

[scooby]

Is there a truther explanation that explains how this single explosion brought down the tower?

As weak as my erection after a month in Amsterdam.
Not even worth it.
Amsterdam was.

 

[Horatius]

Anyway you know now, so off you go, lead by example then.
It's your plan.

More of a plan than any of you lot have.

 

[stateofgrace]

Well, you didn't say that did you?
And now you've said this it only gets worse, as any normal persons reaction, when they hear a huge explosion, is to think ... 'bomb'.

Only afterwards, do alternative explanations overcome that inherent knee-jerk understanding we all carry.

But there have been none.

Unless you want to correct me - is there an official explanation for that explosion? Does this explanation give details about what transformer it was that exploded midway through the events of that day? Where was this transformer? Why did it explode? Where is this explanation?

Indeed.

what sounded like an explosion,

like an explosion

it must of been an explosion

I first heard this loud-loud booming sound

thought something might have exploded

Heard loud explosion/thunder

we thought that something had exploded

I thought maybe a tanker had exploded or a plane had crashed

We heard a loud boom

It sounded and felt like to me a large object had just exploded in the pasture.

http://www.okgeosurvey1.gov/atoka.html

PS they are describing an earthquake.

Conclusion .......what sounds like an explosion is not always caused by explosives.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

As weak as my erection after a month in Amsterdam.
Not even worth it.
Amsterdam was.

"I don't have to address that. I'm a 'real man', because I went to Amsterdam and had sexual relations with many prostitutes."

Please don't try to be "macho". It's disturbing to watch.

 

[GwionX]

Well, you didn't say that did you?
And now you've said this it only gets worse, as any normal persons reaction, when they hear a huge explosion, is to think ... 'bomb'.

Look, you were asking what it could be, your tounge in cheek suggestion was a "car backfiring." I said "transformer exploding." I didn't see the police and Firemen in that video exactly running for their lives when they heard the sound. I didn't hear them screaming "Bomb." I saw them discuss the instability of the area, and finish their phone calls.

Only afterwards, do alternative explanations overcome that inherent knee-jerk understanding we all carry.

"Knee-jerk understanding"-- that pretty much sums up your position.

 

[Dr. Lao]

As weak as my erection after a month in Amsterdam.
Not even worth it.
Amsterdam was.

More spin, more trying to change the subject.

Its easy to be a Conspiracy Theorist, you never have to tell the truth, never have to prove anything, and when you get beaten in an argument, you just throw out more conspiracies, or accuse the other person of being part of the conspiracy.

 

[332nd]

As weak as my erection after a month in Amsterdam.
Not even worth it.
Amsterdam was.

So you can't answer the question. That's ok, haven't seen a truther answer it yet. (BTW if you have a problem with that, you might want to contact Pdoh. http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77043)

 

[beachnut]

No, just some of them, the ones at the top, the ones that matter.
The ones who are in essence 'the authorities'.
This is rather obvious, and if you had any real confidence in your claims you would not need to obfusticate the issue in this manner.

But again - who cares.

I was just reading this about DRG's new book ...

"By virtue of his previous four books on the subject, David Ray Griffin is widely recognized as one of the leading spokespersons of the 9/11 truth movement, which rejects the official conspiracy theory about 9/11. Although this movement was long ignored by the US government and the mainstream media, recent polls have shown that (as Time magazine has acknowledged) the rejection of the official theory has become "a mainstream political phenomenon." It is not surprising, therefore, that the government and the corporately controlled media have shifted tactics. No longer ignoring the 9/11 truth movement, they have released a flurry of stories and reports aimed at debunking it.

In the present book, David Ray Griffin shows that these attempts can themselves be easily debunked. Besides demonstrating the pitiful failure of Debunking 9/11 Myths (published by Popular Mechanics and endorsed by Senator John McCain), Griffin riddles recent reports and stories put out by the US Department of State, the National Institute of Standards and Technology, the New York Times, Vanity Fair, and Time magazine. He also responds to criticisms of these efforts by left-leaning and Christian publications--which one might have expected to be supportive.
Throughout these critiques, Griffin shows that the charge that is regularly leveled against critics of the official theory--that they employ irrational and unscientific methods to defend conclusions based on faith--actually applies more fully to those who defend the official theory.

This book, by debunking the most prevalent attempts to refute the evidence cited by the 9/11 truth movement, shows that this movement's central claim--that 9/11 was an inside job--remains the only explanation that fits the facts."

http://markcrispinmiller.blogspot.com/2007/03/debunkers-debunked.html

Even Time magazine can read the writing on the wall.

All anyone has to do is listen to David Ray Griffin and you see he has no facts. He can never, and will never tell you what happened on 9/11. Griffin is clueless, fact-less, and just talks and rants about everything but what happen on 9/11. He is an expert in nothing and after listening to him for hours he proves only that he can talk well about BS, and more BS.

He is pompous brainless twit, who will never be able to tell you what happen on 9/11 because he does not know. Funny he even tells you this, he is just stupid but still making money talking about lies and selling books based on lies.

I challenge you to find one fact Griffin has to support his worthless ideas on 9/11.

I can not believe I listened to his 9 myths on 9/11!!! WOW, what a dopey smooth talking liar.

He sells books on 9/11 to idiots who believe 9/11 was an inside job and everyone is covering up something. What he does not know, how he does not know, but he has tons of WHY. But I can not remember any of his why, it was so obtuse it was forgettable.

So what poor people have bought his book only to realize he was telling lies?

One of his favorite myth is that the terrorist on flight 77 could not have flown 77 into the Pentagon. He should of asked an expert, like a pilot. I am a pilot and with over 33 years of flying experience. I have flown supersonic jets, and heavy jets, 300,000 pound jets. I have talked to many flight instructors and 767/757 pilots. We all agree anyone could have flown the jet as done on 9/11. Anyone, as in a kid off the street with no flying experience. Why did Griffin fail to find the truth?

Griffin does not mention the terrorist all had FAA licenses and had studied the 767/757 aircraft! Griffin does not tell you the terrorist turned down to rent a Cessna by an instructor the same instructor said the terrorist would have been able to fly 77 into the Pentagon. Why does Griffin tell lies?

Scooby if you do not understand what I am saying I can help explain if you have questions about flying. Every single pilot and expert in the 9/11 truth movement is telling lies about the flying portion of 9/11. They are liars. Bring up one fact about flying on 9/11 that the truth movement has! They have none. Zip, Zero!

It boils done to this; David Ray Griffin is a liar because he leaves out the complete story. He does not understand NORAD, or even basic flying. The only fact I can think Griffin has is he sells books based on lies about 9/11.

You copied this junk from a dumb advertisement for Griffin's book of lies! What a goofball! No new stuff here, just the liar Griffin selling books and tell more lies for you not so intellectually sound truthers.

 

[332nd]

"I don't have to address that. I'm a 'real man', because I went to Amsterdam and had sexual relations with many prostitutes."

Please don't try to be "macho". It's disturbing to watch.

I never understood why the prostitutes counted as "macho". If one is paying them it's a good indicator that one isn't "macho" but has disposeable cash.

 

[gumboot]

Why do Conspiracy Theorists keep posting obviously fake vidoes and expect people to accept them? Are they stupid?

-Gumboot

 

[scooby]

Wow.
So, why does every thread have to be a 9-11 denial thread?

Ahh the old '911 Denial' meme.
Trying to portray us as akin to 'Holocaust Deniers'.

Yes you're going to need to criminalise it to stop it, but if you do that - you lose.

 

[T.A.M.]

I can not believe I listened to his 9 myths on 9/11!!! WOW, what a dopey smooth talking liar.

You think that was bad, well this, while not audio, is worse...

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/571-page-lie.htm

TAM

 

[scooby]

Conclusion .......what sounds like an explosion is not always caused by explosives.

Conclusion?

I pretty much said that myself in the post you responded to.
You're a dumb bunch aren't you, it must be a thankless task flogging the dead horse of the official story, trying to get one more lap out of it, one more war.

Explosives, when they explode, always sound like an explosion.
That is why the sound of an explosion is a useful indicator of explosives.

Absent any other explanation, this is usually the logical first assumption to make - which is where we still are, 6 years after the fact.

Unless of course you've found that explanation of this explosion that you all seem so certain was a transformer?

Any luck yet?

I tell you what, go on, make one up, I won't even check.
I'll give you a freebie on this one, paint with as broad a brush as you like, go for it.

 

[scooby]

"I don't have to address that. I'm a 'real man', because I went to Amsterdam and had sexual relations with many prostitutes."

Please don't try to be "macho". It's disturbing to watch.

No not at all - I used to work there.