Freedom to Fascism

[Horatius]

Ok Can you point to a few of these s"established fact" and "proven falsehoods"?

There we go, slicing his arguments up into convienent pieces of nonsense. Why can't we just accept his unsupported assertions at face value? That'd be fair!

 

[scooby]

I don't see James Randi responding to each and every petty demand that some charlatan makes as a result of his dissections of their 'woo'. If he did that, he'd still be on a forum somewhere arguing about it. Instead I see him post his position on his blog and leave the screaming to them.

 

[scooby]

Oh, this is just too cute. You can post a long diatribe that goes off in 15 different directions, but anyone who bothers to ask you to substantiate those points with evidence is somehow not debating you fairly. Nice pre-emptive strike against being held accountable. I'm almost impressed with the complete lack of intellectual honesty this reveals.

Please go ahead - if you have 15 points of contention with my post, by all means go ahead with your detailed analysis. Before you do though, I would repeat my initial assertion made early in my visit here - that the time for debate is over. This reflects an emerging consensus in the 911 truth community which I agree with.

 

[Hokulele]

Bear in mind oh 'debunkers' that at the heart of "From Freedom to Fascism" is the issue of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank and the fact that there seems to be no law in the US that demands you pay tax on wages. "Show me the law", is the demand that these people are making - and no law can be shown.

[snip]

Since you were starting to repeat the exact arguments used in the thread I linked to, I decided to show people the responses to those arguments without starting another multi-page thread. Lazy? Maybe, but I prefer the term "efficient". Or "brilliant", that works for me too.

OK Hokulele - a brief trip into the real world.

[large snip]

September 11, 2001 conspiracy theories are not relevant to the topic of this thread. If I have evidence or opinions on those issues, I will post on those threads.

 

[fuelair]

Bear in mind oh 'debunkers' that at the heart of "From Freedom to Fascism" is the issue of the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank and the fact that there seems to be no law in the US that demands you pay tax on wages. "Show me the law", is the demand that these people are making - and no law can be shown.

Now we all hate the taxman don't we?
Don't we?

Because I think people browsing this place might find it odd, a bunch of 'skeptics' eagerly attacking anyone who would want to remove such a tax.

So tone it down a bit, or you'll give the game away.

Not "eagerly attacking anyone who" - just pointing out that the people stupid enough to try any of these tricks/games with the laws seem to wind up in jail - through the only court system we have. Sort of, kind of moots the point - i.e. if the entire official system acts like it is law then it is for all practical purposes law. If you can be imprisoned, fined, etc. for it, you had best treat it as law. And, on the other side, as a non-lawyer, I am forced to be convinced by the people who are that their consistent explanations of why/how your little band is - through malice, ignorance, stupidity or whatever - simply wrong on your attempts at intepreting laws and court decisions to mean what you want them to, not what they actually, in law, mean. I would be perfectly happy to not have to pay taxes - income or other - but I have no intention of trying to play loser games to avoid them.

 

[chipmunk stew]

the time for debate is over. This reflects an emerging consensus in the 911 truth community which I agree with.

So you've ended the debate stage, confident that you've established that the official story is indefensible. Excellent--good for you! So...what's the next stage?

 

[scooby]

September 11, 2001 conspiracy theories are not relevant to the topic of this thread. If I have evidence or opinions on those issues, I will post on those threads.

Go ahead by all means, if thread discipline's your thing over and above serious real world issues.

 

[Hokulele]

Go ahead by all means. . .

Why thank you. Likewise.

 

[Horatius]

Please go ahead - if you have 15 points of contention with my post, by all means go ahead with your detailed analysis. Before you do though, I would repeat my initial assertion made early in my visit here - that the time for debate is over. This reflects an emerging consensus in the 911 truth community which I agree with.

You could, perhaps, have noted that the "15" comes from your own post. I was simply using your own hyperbole as a rhetorical point.

However, I really see no reason to waste time on your points right now, as you won't accept any of our arguments in any case. I'll simply point out the stupidity of being on a forum dedicated to debate if "the time for debate is over".

So if the time for debate is over, what the heck else are you going to do? Put up or shut up time. Let's see some concrete plans of action. How will you act to convince those who currently don't believe the 9/11 CTs of the Truth? Or will they simply be swept away by the New Order? Will it be a mass uprising, or a series of targeted assasinations? Will you be buying billboard space, or trying to hack the TV networks? Am I anywhere close?

Or are you just a pathetic troll wannabe, who can only sit on the sidelines and snark?

 

[Questioninggeller]

This lady at the local Green Party has been raving up and down about how I have to see this new documentary by some guy named Aaron Russo, From Freedom to Fascism. You can, of course, see it for free on Google Video.

After reading a bunch of CT claims that used the movie as their source I started to watch it online. I turned it off after watching Russo interview a IRS ( if I remember correctly?) attorney.

That section was editted so poorly with Russo's spliced in commentary refusing to give the attorney a chance to explain himself I turned it off. The word strawman came to mind, as well as lies, concerning Russo's project.

I can't say I'm suprised the IRS won't do an interview with him over the legality of taxes. Who, but a raving tax protestor, would subject themself to being that movie?

Just more miseducation by the CTs. Personally, I'd like to see some type of sanction, such as the IRS did with Irwin Schiff. See: http://www.usdoj.gov/opa/pr/2004/August/04_tax_551.htm for details.

 

[scooby]

You could, perhaps, have noted that the "15" comes from your own post. I was simply using your own hyperbole as a rhetorical point.

However, I really see no reason to waste time on your points right now, as you won't accept any of our arguments in any case. I'll simply point out the stupidity of being on a forum dedicated to debate if "the time for debate is over".

So if the time for debate is over, what the heck else are you going to do? Put up or shut up time. Let's see some concrete plans of action. How will you act to convince those who currently don't believe the 9/11 CTs of the Truth? Or will they simply be swept away by the New Order? Will it be a mass uprising, or a series of targeted assasinations? Will you be buying billboard space, or trying to hack the TV networks? Am I anywhere close?

Or are you just a pathetic troll wannabe, who can only sit on the sidelines and snark?

I believe it is important that people are aware of these issues, the internet is an excellent medium for disseminating information. This place seemed like it needed a dose of common sense.

As for your implication that the 911 truth movement may have a propensity for violent acts, may I just point out that the team you support have killed upwards of half a million since 911 by some estimates, plus the 3000 on that day, and over 3000 US troops so far. Nice try.

 

[stateofgrace]

OK Hokulele - a brief trip into the real world.

A great number of people, including myself, know beyond all shadow of a doubt that what happened on 911 was organised and planned by elements of the US Govt in collaboration with other Western security services. The information supporting this conclusion is overwhelming. The whole thing reads like a book with a couple of pages missing. Much of the evidence is established fact, yet all of it will be challenged here by 'skeptics' who claim that everything in the official story is true, despite the proven falsehoods it contains.

YOU have concluded? YOU have evidence? YOU are going to bring the organisers of mass murder to justice?

Oh Scooby you are such a laugh. Where are the established facts? It is inside your paranoid mind Scooby.

What Western security services?

Come on Scooby name all your suspects.

Sorry no facts, no evidence just claims upon claim.

Tell you what Scooby lay it out. Let me read the book. Show how 911 panned out, right from the beginning right though to the day and beyond. Show me Scooby; show me how it all works.

Here you go, please include in your factual summary of the events of 911 the following.

WTC 1, WTC 2, WTC 7, Flight 77, Flight 93, Flight 11, Flight 175, NORAD, The Pentagon, Al Qaeda, Bin Laden and the Western Intelligence agencies.

Also include NIST, The CIA, The FBI and the 911 commission if you like.

 

[stateofgrace]

I believe it is important that people are aware of these issues, the internet is an excellent medium for disseminating information. This place seemed like it needed a dose of common sense.

As for your implication that the 911 truth movement may have a propensity for violent acts, may I just point out that the team you support have killed upwards of half a million since 911 by some estimates, plus the 3000 on that day, and over 3000 US troops so far. Nice try.

Yes Scooby we are all blood thirsty war mongering wanta be mass murderers for not supporting your paranoid fantasies.

Keep living the dream Scooby, still safe and secure inside your bedroom are you or are the nasty MIB poking around outside ?

 

[scooby]

YOU have concluded? YOU have evidence? YOU are going to bring the organisers of mass murder to justice?

Yup, me me me.

And 2 years before any physics professors or theology professors finally got the balls to say something about it. ahhh ... (cigar), don't you just love it when a plan comes together.

If it wasn't for us pesky kids, posting on the web - they would have gotten away with it.

 

[scooby]

Well maybe not the third - thats something out of any single persons hands.
Up to the american people now.
I'm confident.
They have a history of not liking getting ***ed over.

 

[Dr. Lao]

Scoob, you got that video yet with the audio of the detonation charges?

You remember, the really loud ones?

The conspiracy you are hiding from?

Put up your proof, nutter.

 

[332nd]

Yup, me me me.

And 2 years before physics any professors and theology professors finally got the balls to say something about it. ahhh ... (cigar), don't you just love it when a plan comes together.

If it wasn't for us pesky kids, posting on the web - they would have gotten away with it.

When when when? If you have all of this evidence should you bring these murders to justice? Or are you just going to sit on it until all of those people you see as scared to speak up back you up? Wait... Are you scared to speakup about the subject? I mean aside from ranting on the computernot backing up said rants.

 

[stateofgrace]

Yup, me me me.

And 2 years before any physics professors or theology professors finally got the balls to say something about it. ahhh ... (cigar), don't you just love it when a plan comes together.

If it wasn't for us pesky kids, posting on the web - they would have gotten away with it.

Scooby I see no factual based summary, where is it? Come on Scooby lay it all out. Show me the light.

What happened?

Ps please include the following.

WTC 1, WTC 2, WTC 7, Flight 77, Flight 93, Flight 11, Flight 175, NORAD, The Pentagon, Al Qaeda, Bin Laden and the Western Intelligence agencies.

Also include NIST, The CIA, The FBI and the 911 commission if you like.

 

[Horatius]

I believe it is important that people are aware of these issues, the internet is an excellent medium for disseminating information. This place seemed like it needed a dose of common sense.

As for your implication that the 911 truth movement may have a propensity for violent acts, may I just point out that the team you support have killed upwards of half a million since 911 by some estimates, plus the 3000 on that day, and over 3000 US troops so far. Nice try.

Actually, I was implying that the twoof movement has a propensity for sitting on its ass doing nothing about what it believes to be the muders of "upwards of half a million since 911 by some estimates, plus the 3000 on that day, and over 3000 US troops". You hang out here and try to score points against some nasty old skeptics, instead of taking the risks of actually trying to bring to justice anyone you believe to be guilty.

If I believed as you did, no force on Earth could withstand my righteous anger. But hey, there's no need for you to be a man of honour and integrity, just because I am.

ahhh ... (cigar), don't you just love it when a plan comes together.

I know Hannibal Smith, I respect Hannibal Smith. You, sir, are no Hannibal Smith. You're not even Faceman.

 

[scooby]

Scoob, you got that video yet with the audio of the detonation charges?

You remember, the really loud ones?

The conspiracy you are hiding from?

Put up your proof, nutter.

Have you seriously not seen any of the video's that record explosions?
Well ok, two come to mind.

I think I already posted this one somewhere - can you detect the audio anomaly? It starts around 6 seconds in and continues for about 3 seconds ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcRs1fv8i3I

Go on, 'debunk' away.

Car backfiring?