Freedom to Fascism

Are you aware that quoting other people without citing it as their words is a violation of your membership agreement?

I know what I wrote.

"Facist" is a word. That's what I intended to write. Thus your claim that I spelt "facism" wrong is incorrect.

Next time you post my words as yours I will report it.

-Gumboot

I wasn't quoting you, I was repeating your own words back to you.
Also known as 'handing you your ass on a plate'.

And spelling facist without an 's' is a common mistake that young people make - throwing these terms around as they please - utterly oblivious and ignorant of what they really mean.

That the US has institutionalised the practice is no concern of mine.

And while we're at it - sort your numeric date format out - MM/DD/YY - what clown came up with that?
 
No, I was saying that the thread held the answer to your question and a response to your complaint. Particularly the posts by AS. If you are not interested in the answer, that's fine. There are lurkers or other posters here who may be interested, and are "listening" and learning things by clicking on the link.

PS - Wrong gender in the "bud" comment.

Well that's up to them.

They'd learn more if they stayed away from the place - quoting old threads seems to be the lazy way out of an argument here. It's not something I respond to 'rosebud'.
 
Well that's up to them.

They'd learn more if they stayed away from the place - quoting old threads seems to be the lazy way out of an argument here. It's not something I respond to 'rosebud'.


Seeing as how you do not plan to read the thread, you are not qualified to judge whether or not they would learn anything there. If you change your mind and decide to read it after all, then any judgements you make from then on would have some validity.

"Rosebud" is much more apt. Thank you. Or are you suggesting I am a sled?
 
Actually, I'm more of a lurker than a poster, and I always go back to the links provided and read the discussions.

It's lazy not to, especially since the topic has already been discussed. Not once have I seen anyone open a new thread about an old topic with anything worth the new thread. It's always the same retread.

By the way, Scooby, here's my conspiracy theory: I think you're related to Dylan.

EVIDENCE: Your name is Scooby, Scooby ate Scooby snacks because he and Shaggy were always high, and Dylan is from Oneonta(I went to college at a SUNY school, our hockey rival was Oneonta) and Oneonta's nickname? Stoneonta.

And if you're too high to get the joke, the case I made holds about as much water as any case the Truthers make, or the Anti-Taxman people make.

And chill out, I'm only kidding. Maybe.:eye-poppi
 
I wasn't quoting you, I was repeating your own words back to you.
Also known as 'handing you your ass on a plate'.

And spelling facist without an 's' is a common mistake that young people make - throwing these terms around as they please - utterly oblivious and ignorant of what they really mean.

That the US has institutionalised the practice is no concern of mine.

And while we're at it - sort your numeric date format out - MM/DD/YY - what clown came up with that?

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Do you realize that you not only spelled fascist without the "s", but you also misspelled institutionalized when you said you didn't care bout the US institutionalized practice- and then turned around and took a jab at European date formatting, because you are used to the US institutionalized version?

That's funny to me.
 
I wasn't quoting you, I was repeating your own words back to you.
Also known as 'handing you your ass on a plate'.


Also known as violating your membership agreement.



And spelling facist without an 's' is a common mistake that young people make


I'm with you now. Oops, you got me. :o Fascist. Fascism. My bad.



That the US has institutionalised the practice is no concern of mine.

And while we're at it - sort your numeric date format out - MM/DD/YY - what clown came up with that?


Er... you know I'm not an American, right?

-Gumboot
 
What does Fascism mean?

You can't spell it, but you talk like you know all about it - so go on - enlighten us.
Are you really this challenged? You act and sound just like pdoh but not as...

You argue spelling and spam the thread off topic, quibble about words, then you continue to make no sense about the thread just asking real bad questions, you could and should be able to answer yourself. You have failed to make a point except that you can not handle good advice. You fail to research the thread topic to get a background common to those who started the thread. You then continue, with veiled badgering and attempted claims that others have no idea how great your comprehension of the subject is, and at the same time prove you are without facts about the thread at all.

If you are not Pdoh, you are his intellectual twin or equal; your pick.
 
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I would just like to add that the "income calculation" is completely bogus.
Gain is not the difference in the values of what is exchanged, it is the difference between the cost of what is given up and the value of what is received.

In terms of stocks, if you buy a share for $10 and sell it for $40, your gain is $30 even though the share had a true value of $40 when you sold it. To use scooby's math, that would be another situation with a zero income...

In terms of labour - labour doesn't even have an intrinsic value. Instead, they get paid a compensation (wage), with a distinct value, in return for services (labour). However, their labour has no cost, so the full value of the compensation is the gain, and thus their income.

The same holds true when you spend your spare time making pottery, and a few years later decide to sell it. It doesn't matter what the "value" of the item sold is, really - that's highly dependant on your skill and artistry anyway, hardly something with a precise value. Instead, you can deduce what the costs were to produce it and deduct that.
 
EVIDENCE: Your name is Scooby, Scooby ate Scooby snacks because he and Shaggy were always high, and Dylan is from Oneonta(I went to college at a SUNY school, our hockey rival was Oneonta) and Oneonta's nickname? Stoneonta.


Yea Yater - I'm from that part of New York, Oneonta State was something
of a joke. Used to say that some of the finest gym or kindergarten teachers
in the world pasted throught it.
 
Now this would be a lofty post almost worth reading if it wasn't for one sorry and certain fact - you haven't watched the film have you?



And having subjected myself to way too much of that, perhaps you could direct me to anywhere in that "film" that contains an argument about taxes that isn't a completely bogus argument against the tax system? Lots of complaints about bankers, lots of repetitions of the same arguments over and over again, some RFID paranoia thrown in for the hip newness of it all, but nowhere did I see anything like a reasonable argument against legal taxation.

So, please, time stamp for such things, since I missed them?
 
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And while I'm at it: what's with the people who make these "documentaries" that makes them drag everything out for so damn long? The actual information content of that thing could have been compressed into about 20 minutes - the rest was just mindless repetition of the same points.

Edit, damnit!
 
In terms of labour - labour doesn't even have an intrinsic value. Instead, they get paid a compensation (wage), with a distinct value, in return for services (labour). However, their labour has no cost, so the full value of the compensation is the gain, and thus their income.

To be fair, that's only true legally. It's true because we have chosen to define it that way. Philosophically, of course, there is no reason why one's labor shouldn't be considered to have a cost basis - the cost of not doing other things, the cost of the food it took to give you the energy to do it, the cost of the education it took to prepare you, etc. There's no logical reason for excluding labor from having a cost basis other than that this is how we've chosen to tax ourselves ... which is reason enough for me.

One of my favorite cases was a woman decades ago with a very rare blood type who was paid exceedingly well for her blood. She argued to the IRS that her blood was a thing, that its cost was the same as what she was paid, and that she therefore owed no tax on it. She lost; the courts said that giving blood was akin to labor, that her cost basis in the blood was zero and that she had to pay taxes on the gain.
 
Instead, I'll coin a new word:

Scoobyism
Scoo.by.ism [skoo-bee-iz-uh-m]
- n
1. a style of debate, conversation, or discourse that intentionally avoids the idea(s) or fact(s) being discussed in order to shift focus onto some irrelevant or tangential detail;
2. pathology compulsive inability to engage in honest debate, with a tendency toward preferring dogma over reason
Nice post, but I regret to inform you that the Sith Dictionary has already defined "scoobyism" a bit differently. You of course could not know this, as you are not sensitive to the Force.

Sith Dictionary said:
Scoobyism [skoo-bee-iz-uh-m]
- n
1. a style of internet forum and newsgroup posting characterized by incoherence, irrationality, misplaced arrogance, and illogic induced by the replacement of 50% of the poster's cerebral cortex with excrement.

2. pathology of compulsive posting from a position of profound ignorance.
Give in to the dark side. :)

DR
 
The problem is- as with most conspiracists and conspiracies- the central issue is being obfuscated by your political bias.

I don't have a political bias - I'm not even an american - so how neutral can you get?
In addition, the situation described in the film has existed for several generations - and through many different US administrations, so how a political bias can come into it, I don't know.

Now that didn't really take very long did it?
 
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Do you realize that you not only spelled fascist without the "s", but you also misspelled institutionalized when you said you didn't care bout the US institutionalized practice- and then turned around and took a jab at European date formatting, because you are used to the US institutionalized version?

That's funny to me.

It was more 'ass handing', I was using gumboot's spelling. I was also using his own words again without quotes - but shh, don't tell.
The rest - I don't think so.
 
Seeing as how you do not plan to read the thread, you are not qualified to judge whether or not they would learn anything there. If you change your mind and decide to read it after all, then any judgements you make from then on would have some validity.

"Rosebud" is much more apt. Thank you. Or are you suggesting I am a sled?

OK Hokulele - a brief trip into the real world.

A great number of people, including myself, know beyond all shadow of a doubt that what happened on 911 was organised and planned by elements of the US Govt in collaboration with other Western security services. The information supporting this conclusion is overwhelming. The whole thing reads like a book with a couple of pages missing. Much of the evidence is established fact, yet all of it will be challenged here by 'skeptics' who claim that everything in the official story is true, despite the proven falsehoods it contains.

Now when I come here to post, and am immediately referred to old threads, where all this has been 'debunked' - well maybe unlike some, I'm in the fortunate position to know full well that this will not be the case, and that any reference to such a thread is a wild goose chase that costs nothing to said poster, while I spend hours reading false information. I would suggest the primary reason for this is that the defence of the official story, which is indefensible, is not something they are keen to attempt anew, and so a simple tactic is to divert people into the depths of old threads where this has been attempted before. Maybe there are a few well rehearsed sock puppet discussions where a lame '911 truther' pretends to question the offical story in an easy soft ball manner, throwing out stock 'straw man' claims which are then safely shot down - all ending in the surprise surprise conclusion - "gee, I wuz wrong".

I'm not here to argue the in's and out's of 911 with anonymous people who cannot be reasoned with for any number of obvious reasons.

We will have to agree to disagree - something, if you notice, that they have no real response to. I will be called all manner of things for maintaining my own independant conclusions on the matter. Yet this is supposed to be the philosophy that a skeptic should adhere to - independant critical thinking. All I see here is nothing of the sort, all I see here are appeals to authority, and preaching of official dogma.

You seem like a reasonable poster and I apologise for my initial gruff response, but this is the reasoning behind it. I may be a new poster here, but I am not new to discussing this on internet forums and I am well aware of the tactics used to prevent any such discussion.

At the heart of it, you may be interested to know - the number one priority of all this, is the prevention of consensus. If the illegitimate powers that be were aware of a forum where the majority of posters were aware of this and calmly discussing it, and even dare I say, moving towards the question of "What can we do about it?" - then the attack dogs will be sent in to create the impression of dissent.

I'm not saying that this is always the case, and that all supporters of the official story are government shills, or working for some of the PR company's that the Whitehouse/Pentagon is using to promote the official story and the 'war on terror' - but they are out there, and I would imagine that there are just a few here and there, acting as leaders in the effort, providing talking points for amateur imitators. There are plenty of people who know the truth of 911 but will still leap to the defence of the official story for a myriad of social and political reasons.

And incidentally, you may have missed this, but the recent revelation of the BBC video reporting the collapse of WTC7 provided an excellent insight into this process, as I think it came out of the blue and there was no prepared response seeded across the internet shill community. They were indeed caught with their pants down and finally got the spanking they deserve. The result being that nobody could get their story straight and the whole process broke down for at least a day, as lifelong New York residents frantically claimed 'Thats not Building 7!" or "Daylight Savings - it was 6 oclock"

Poorly prepared excuses at best with the lifespan of a mayfly.

It was an hilarious process to watch as it unmasked several shills on forums that I post on - and this was remarked upon not just by me. Some people were genuinely shocked that the simple fact that it was WTC7 behind the reporter as she described its collapse could not be conceded to by otherwise sane and rational people.

It took a while for them to get the story straight and things have settled down now to the only thing that can be at all defended and weakly at that, that everyone knew it was going to collapse and the BBC just reported it early by mistake. If you believe that, well I've got a bridge to sell you.

Another tactic you may notice, is to take any post of considerable length such as this, and break it down into about 15 components, challenging each and every thing I say, thus creating several hours of research and effort to correct on my part. This too is something I am well familiar with, have participated in before to my extreme satisfaction and have no intention of repeating on this forum. If you disagree with what I say, then that is because you agree to disagree, an option also open to myself.
 
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Scooby, still looking for the video with the audio that has the loud sounds of the detonation charges going off on WTC.

You said you were gonna share them with us.

How come you are running away?

Oh yeah, because when you are a CT, you never have to offer proof, you just have to start another conspiracy.

Weasel
 
Another tactic you may notice, is to take any post of considerable length such as this, and break it down into about 15 components, challenging each and every thing I say, thus creating several hours of research and effort to correct on my part. This too is something I am well familiar with, have participated in before to my extreme satisfaction and have no intention of repeating on this forum. If you disagree with what I say, then that is because you agree to disagree, an option also open to myself.




Oh, this is just too cute. You can post a long diatribe that goes off in 15 different directions, but anyone who bothers to ask you to substantiate those points with evidence is somehow not debating you fairly. Nice pre-emptive strike against being held accountable. I'm almost impressed with the complete lack of intellectual honesty this reveals.
 
OK Hokulele - a brief trip into the real world.

A great number of people, including myself, know beyond all shadow of a doubt that what happened on 911 was organised and planned by elements of the US Govt in collaboration with other Western security services. The information supporting this conclusion is overwhelming. The whole thing reads like a book with a couple of pages missing. Much of the evidence is established fact, yet all of it will be challenged here by 'skeptics' who claim that everything in the official story is true, despite the proven falsehoods it contains.

Ok Can you point to a few of these s"established fact" and "proven falsehoods"?
 

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