Jesus created Sex

No reality is real and we have to see through the cult teaching of this world, the government lies, the military lies, the educational lies, the economic lies and deceits. Why be so passive to these lies, and let these lies rule you, discern and seek truths and connect up life and the real world with real principles.

SEE 432 thread in science, true skeptics thread in conspiracies, and just seek to find. Answers are there and are comprehensible, making each of us responsible to seek.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/SeektoFind.html
 
strathmeyer said:
Davidjayjordan, this is a serious accusation. It is not something to joke about. May people's lives are ruined by cults, and for you to just act this was is crude and unacceptable.

Why wouldn't you want to help me out of a cult? Isn't it wrong if someone needs help and you don't help them? (((I'm trying to help you out and get you connected with the real principles of life. But you can take a horse to water, but you can;t make them drink. You have to do your part Starth....))

The accusations you're are completely ridiculous considering you don't even know me. ((Sure people know people by what they do, and don;t do, what they say and don;t say, what they WRITE and don;t WRITE)))

You talk about our bigotry yet you seem to have all these made up ideas about other people. (((NO not until I have heard from them over and voer and over again, and even THEN give them a benefit of the doubt, as all of us can change, all...!!!!)))

We are not your play thing; (((Exactly which is why I try to get you guys and gals to sober up and get serious..)))) We can't see the things that are going on inside your head; we're not just going to act or think a certain way because you want us to.
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(((Exactly so start thinking for yuorselves. its the only way. I can;t dfo it for you, Jesus can;t do it for you. That you personnally have to do, and to do it, you have to be brave enough to stop yielding to group peer pressure. ou have to get serious and honest. Life is not a game. How many times do I have to say it. Life is not a mind game, a power game, but serious where we have to make the right decisions for us and others...)))

Right ? Right !!!

Onward christian soldiers...
 
Davidjayjordan said:
No reality is real and we have to see through the cult teaching of this world, the government lies, the military lies, the educational lies, the economic lies and deceits. Why be so passive to these lies, and let these lies rule you, discern and seek truths and connect up life and the real world with real principles.
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And the biggest liar of them all is DJJ. You say we can’t know reality because we are not so-called gods. The government, and this may come as a big surprise to you, is made of people, and not all people lie, the same is for the military and teachers etc.

Paul

:) :) :)

You lie thru ignorance.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Exactly so start thinking for yuorselves.

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Onward christian soldiers...
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Christianity is a faith. Faith is passed from person to person. It is a function of geography and familial ties. Buddhists beget Buddhists. People tend to grow up to have faith in the dominant religion of the region in which they lived.

Please to reconcile "faith" and thinking for yourself?
 
Davidjayjordan said:
No reality is real and we have to see through the cult teaching of this world, the government lies, the military lies, the educational lies, the economic lies and deceits. Why be so passive to these lies, and let these lies rule you, discern and seek truths and connect up life and the real world with real principles.

SEE 432 thread in science, true skeptics thread in conspiracies, and just seek to find. Answers are there and are comprehensible, making each of us responsible to seek.

http://www.geocities.com/davidjayjordan/SeektoFind.html
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Yes, reality is real. Your view of it, however, is not. You say "think for yourself," but for you that means only one thing, which is to swallow every preposterous topsy-turvy error, inaccuracy, misunderstanding, misreading and paranoid fantasy that you alone come up with. Everything but your ideas counts to you as a cult, and everyone who does not buy them as a dupe.

I seek to find: sanity, sense and intelligence in your ideas, and find none.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Doesn;t anyone have any good questions about Jesus and Sex.

I realise you have absolutely no foundation in believeing that evolution could have developed it, via billions and billions of miraculous mutations, but then again many of you believe in the strangest things, probably because you just haven;t experienced much of real life and maybe even real sex.

Ask sincere questions and maybe it will lead to progress by all of us.
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What exactly are we to discuss here? It seems fairly straight forward: According to your particular myth “God” created everything; Jesus and “God” are the same; hence Jesus must also have created sex. I believe there’s a name for such an argument, although who really cares since Jesus must have created that too – remember He created everything! What else is there to discuss except the validly of your myth in comparison to other myths? Ooooh, but perhaps he created the other myths too? But then, which are the correct ones... no wait, all must then be correct.
 
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RandFan said:
Christianity is a faith. Faith is passed from person to person. It is a function of geography and familial ties. Buddhists beget Buddhists. People tend to grow up to have faith in the dominant religion of the region in which they lived.

Please to reconcile "faith" and thinking for yourself?
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Yours is a religion in nothingness, as you haven't been able to prove it yourselves. For how do you prove nothing.

I proved Christianity by being a full time Christian missionary with wife and kids and no support except the Lord, so I proved it in real life for over twenty years, and so it is you that are living by faith, whereas I know there is a Lord and a supplier of needs.

You know nothing and stand for nothing except for your religion of nothingness.

And yet you can KNOW if you want, just become a full time missionary for the Lord, but you would have to deny your false religion of nothingness and replace it with real FAITH before these principles and truths being shown to you.
 
lupus_in_fabula said:
What exactly are we to discuss here? It seems fairly straight forward: According to your particular myth “God” created everything; Jesus and “God” are the same; hence Jesus must also have created sex. I believe there’s a name for such an argument, although who really cares since Jesus must have created that too – remember He created everything! What else is there to discuss except the validly of your myth in comparison to other myths? Ooooh, but perhaps he created the other myths too? But then, which are the correct ones... no wait, all must then be correct.
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Get real mythical Lupus,

You have no idea in the world how your god of Mother Nature or your God of evolutionary LUCK and CHANCE could have ever have developed sex and sexuality and so you think in your shallow flippant ways you can attack the obvious design of the designer of sex by calling Him a myth. Pitiful pitiful accussation,

Your accussations are worse than myths, because your mythical gods of nothingness are just that nothing.

I repeat this thread is about 'Jesus and sex', not about your myths and mythical thinking and your false gods.

But go for it evolutionists and athiests, explain how sex evolved. Use two or three words or thousands of complex reasoning and statistics, SPEAK UP,
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Yours is a religion in nothingness, as you haven't been able to prove it yourselves. For how do you prove nothing.

I proved Christianity by being a full time Christian missionary with wife and kids and no support except the Lord, so I proved it in real life for over twenty years, and so it is you that are living by faith, whereas I know there is a Lord and a supplier of needs.

You know nothing and stand for nothing except for your religion of nothingness.

And yet you can KNOW if you want, just become a full time missionary for the Lord, but you would have to deny your false religion of nothingness and replace it with real FAITH before these principles and truths being shown to you.
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Sounds like someone needs to read Paul Tillich.
 
bruto said:
Yes, reality is real. Your view of it, however, is not. You say "think for yourself," but for you that means only one thing, which is to swallow every preposterous topsy-turvy error, inaccuracy, misunderstanding, misreading and paranoid fantasy that you alone come up with. Everything but your ideas counts to you as a cult, and everyone who does not buy them as a dupe.

I seek to find: sanity, sense and intelligence in your ideas, and find none.
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Bruto, as seen by your pic. you are sinking quickly and trying not to PANIC. I send you help, but you reject it as you love your cultic setting, even though you are sinking and panicking. What can I or anyone do to save you.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
For how do you prove nothing.
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You don't. That doesn't mean that you then believe in anything.

I proved Christianity by being a full time Christian missionary with wife and kids and no support except the Lord...
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I graduated seminary and served a two year full time mission. I sold everything I owned and gave up all that I had to follow Christ.

...so I proved it in real life for over twenty years...
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And those who give up their life for Allah? Vishnu?

...and so it is you that are living by faith...
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Non sequitur. Nonsensical.

You know nothing and stand for nothing except for your religion of nothingness.
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  • Human dignity
  • Community
  • Kindness
  • Forbearance
  • Justice
  • Equality
  • Freedom
  • Science
  • To understand and accept objective reality
  • A rational world view
  • Reason
These are what I stand for. I'm quite proud of what I stand for.

And yet you can KNOW if you want, just become a full time missionary for the Lord...
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Been there, done that.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
SEE 432 thread in science, true skeptics thread in conspiracies, and just seek to find. Answers are there and are comprehensible, making each of us responsible to seek.
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You've got to be kidding. Should we really make a list of all the false claims you've made in those threads? You said that the moon was 216,000 miles away and that this distance was integral to your "proof" of God's existence. Djj, the moon is not 216,000 miles away. That claim (and many others) has been completely discredited. The threads you direct people to are not evidence that you are right, they are evidence that you are wrong. Tell me, have you amended your website so that it no longer gives the incorrect distance to the moon? Do your calculations still show the ratios that you want them to show when you use correct figures and mathematics?
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Get real mythical Lupus,

You have no idea in the world how your god of Mother Nature or your God of evolutionary LUCK and CHANCE could have ever have developed sex and sexuality and so you think in your shallow flippant ways you can attack the obvious design of the designer of sex by calling Him a myth. Pitiful pitiful accussation,

Your accussations are worse than myths, because your mythical gods of nothingness are just that nothing.

I repeat this thread is about 'Jesus and sex', not about your myths and mythical thinking and your false gods.

But go for it evolutionists and athiests, explain how sex evolved. Use two or three words or thousands of complex reasoning and statistics, SPEAK UP,
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If by chance you were hallucinating and maybe though my post appeared on your screen by random chance, I can confirm to you that I am indeed real. No worries there!

How quick you are to put labels on people, brother! How quick you are to see perspectives as accusations, brother! Well, apparently I pushed some Jesus-made buttons of yours. No worries there either!

This is not mean as derogatory to your particular belief system, but my impression is that your own belief in what you’re advocating seems rather fragile. If I were to use other names for the characters you use but otherwise find a similar message inspiring to the point of belief; would my belief then fall under the label of ‘false belief’? Is it the names that keep your belief together? Evidently it’s not a question of different interpretations within the system since you seem to make them like anyone else. Or is it only your own particular interpretation – and no one else’s – that leads to salvation for all? Have you hijacked the truth for yourself?

About ‘Jesus and sex’... once again, what’s there to discuss that wouldn’t end in a logical truism?

[Hint: Perhaps consider another meaning to the term ‘myth’ other than merely the rationalistic one. Furthermore, having perspectives is not the same thing as having 'false gods' or belief in 'nothingness', brother.]
 
Davidjayjordan said:
I proved Christianity by being a full time Christian missionary with wife and kids and no support except the Lord, so I proved it in real life for over twenty years, and so it is you that are living by faith, whereas I know there is a Lord and a supplier of needs.
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You know it is much easier to tell the truth than to tell a lie because the truth is easier to remember. This is the 3rd figure you've posted, not just on JREF, about your living with no support except the Lord or "living by faith". The claim of having lived by this faith, whether it's the 15, 20, or 30 years you've claimed only proves Christianity in your own head. What bank does god draw his checks on? You didn't just walk into McDonalds, say a few words from your website, and then be handed a Big Mac and fries? Don't ask anyone to believe that some god dropped manna or money on your head in the night. The cult you were in is easily researched on the internet. That group not only had an Amway type pyramid structure in the beginning, it also sold crap religious literature which were of the drunken ravings of a sexual predator, preyed on the religious superstitions of business persons, begging them for donations of support to "help get kids off of drugs", prostituted female members, and dressed as clowns and blew up and sold balloons in front of the local Wal-Mart. There's your "no support except the lord."
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Bruto, as seen by your pic. you are sinking quickly and trying not to PANIC. I send you help, but you reject it as you love your cultic setting, even though you are sinking and panicking. What can I or anyone do to save you.
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A "cult" eh? Let's examine the commonly recognized features of a cult shall we?

1. Veneration of the leader.
2. Inerrancy of the leader.
3. Persuasive techniques.
4. Hidden agendas.
5. Deceit.
6. Financial and/or sexual exploitation.
7. Absolute truth.
8. Absolute morality.

Can you provide examples of how these all apply to the cult that you claim exists?
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Bruto, as seen by your pic. you are sinking quickly and trying not to PANIC. I send you help, but you reject it as you love your cultic setting, even though you are sinking and panicking. What can I or anyone do to save you.
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Congratulations! You have managed to invent a new and unique logical fallacy: argument to avatar. Hard to put into Latin, owing to the etymology, but perhaps we can call it argumentum ad signum.

You really are a pompous piece of work.

Edit to add: And you still have not addressed my question, the one to which I continually refer, the one I asked back in post # 276 and those that preceded it: a question based entirely on Christian teaching and biblical interpretation. I know it's much easier to make stupid comments about avatars, but how about an actual answer on what you so frequently remind us is the actual subject of this thread? In the 432 thread, you accuse others of being lazy for not doing your editing and proofreading for you by checking your egregious arithmetical errors against the figures in your website. Now you stop being lazy and page back to page 7, post #276, read it if you're capable of understanding it, and give us a coherent answer if you're capable of doing so.


Edited further to add, since I don't want everyone reading the thread to have to go paging back if they need the context, and I wouldn't want you to have to make excuses for why you couldn't or wouldn't find it, I will repeat in quote form the content of post # 276:

You still haven't answered my question in link-free plain English (ignoring the evidence so far, I will credit you with the capacity to do so). If Jesus was Jesus from the start, what is being said, when Christians speak of Jesus as the son of Mary, linked by maternity to the house of David? When Christians characterize Jesus as "the word made flesh," what are they saying? The Biblical account is that Jesus was a man, born of a woman. Most Christians consider this distinction to be an important one. A specific, and unambiguous act of God: that Jesus's existence was a human one, his life a human one, and his death as genuine as any death could be. Without the true sacrifice of his death, and the miracle of resurrection, Christianity would be something else entirely. Jesus's spiritual essence or whatever you wish to call it, may have been there all along (must have been if you believe in the trinity), but if you believe in Jesus Christ, the man, the messiah who was predicted by the prophets (not seen by them on earth), the personality who lived on earth and died on the cross, then whatever it was that existed before Jesus the man was conceived and born cannot have been the man who was born, etc.

Can you respond to this without resorting to irrelevant quotes, rants and Jeremiads about nonbelievers, links to your web pages, or spurious nonsense? It's a specific issue, with no atheistic content. You bluster on about false skeptics and atheists, apparently determined to believe that nobody can disagree with you and be anything but a nihilist and atheist. My personal belief or lack of it is irrelevant, as always, to the question of whether your ideas are valid. I ask the question above without any atheistic or nihilistic twist. Whatever my personal faith or lack thereof, it can be taken as a simple Christian to Christian question. Can you answer it intelligently and intelligibly?
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I'm still waiting for a response, David, or do you admit you are lying?

Here is a link to it, just in case you cannot find it yourself.
 
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