Breaking News! 9/11 Mastermind confesses

gumboot said:
It may interest you that during the hearing KSM complained of mistreatment. Not torture, but mistreatment. The President of the hearing said they would investigate his allegations.

-Gumboot
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ABC reports;
According to the sources, CIA officers who subjected themselves to the water boarding technique lasted an average of 14 seconds before caving in. They said al Qaeda's toughest prisoner, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, won the admiration of interrogators when he was able to last between two and two-and-a-half minutes before begging to confess.
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http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1322866
 
gumboot said:
For what it's worth...

During the hearing KSM presents a pre-prepared hand written (in Arabic and English) and typed catalogue of alleged abuses at the hands of the US, while in their custody.

What's important to note is he claims all of these abuses occured before he arrived at Guantanamo Bay.

In other words, he is claiming the CIA abused him, not the US Military.

Also, in case anyone is interested, the Al Qaeda training manuals teach that any Jihadist who is captured by the enemy should always claim they were tortured.

-Gumboot
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If American politicians and US attorneys did not push for and condone torture then nobody would believe them. But since they do condone it...
Like John Yoo's child testicle crushing memo.
 
Without Rights said:
Does that mean you discount conspiracies from the beginning?
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Without Rights, I'd love to hear each member here name one conspiracy theory they believe could be true.

The world is run by finance oligarchs. I think we can all agree on that. The very nature, and lifeblood, of a ruling oligarchy is conspiracy.
 
skepticalcriticalguy said:
Without Rights, I'd love to hear each member here name one conspiracy theory they believe could be true.
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For what value of the variable "conspiracy theory" would you like to know? Based on the truther definition, I think most of the skeptics here believe the theory that 19 Islamic fundamentalist terrorists conspired to crash airliners into prominent US targets on September 11th 2001 at the very least "could be true". If that's not acceptable, are you happy to admit that the official account of 9/11 is not a conspiracy theory?

The world is run by finance oligarchs. I think we can all agree on that.
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For what value of the variables "we" and "all"?

Dave
 
busherie said:
Daniel Pearl Beheaded by KSM? Might not be as easy as you debunkers think...
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OH no, could he be telling lies like you truthers do?

Let me see. YES, he could be just like the liars in the truth movement. Taking credit for things he did not do. Sure! Truthers take credit for solving a crime which was not done, and they do it with facts they do not have!

Bingo, you have finally found something that could be true. Terrrorist could be just like the truth movement. Filled with lies? Point? set match
 
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Bingo, you have finally found something that could be true. Terrrorist could be just like the truth movement. Filled with lies? Point? set match
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How appropriate to have a ? behind "point".
 
For what value of the variable "conspiracy theory" would you like to know? Based on the truther definition, I think most of the skeptics here believe the theory that 19 Islamic fundamentalist terrorists conspired to crash airliners into prominent US targets on September 11th 2001 at the very least "could be true". If that's not acceptable, are you happy to admit that the official account of 9/11 is not a conspiracy theory?
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So you recognize that 19 arabs is just a theory? And I believe he meant conspiracies executed by the US Government.
 
Why are the woos all up in arms about this news? Is there some loss when a terrorist talks and tells how he is proud to kill western ideas by killing westerners? Are you guys Islamic terrorist helpers?

You disrespect all who died on 9/11 by making up lies and now you show veiled support for terrorist? What have we learned from this thread? If you want to get a woo to show up use this subject matter, and like flies the woos will start to bring up woo stuff. Sorry woos, but you seem to craw out when this type of subject comes up so you can sympathize with the terrorist. Why?
 
Without Rights said:
So you recognize that 19 arabs is just a theory? And I believe he meant conspiracies executed by the US Government.
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Why do truthers have problems with simple things. Yes 19 terrorist boarded 4 planes. 3 planes hit buildings. 1 plane was forced down by the passengers.

THE passengers of FLIGHT 93 did in 60 minutes what the truters have messed up in 5 years and still do not have a clue. YES, some ordinary people stopped the hijackers from making their target. HOW could they figure out in 60 minutes what you idiots have messed up for 5 years? Why are they so much smarter then the entire truth movement combined!?

They figured out what you and your liars in the truth movement still do not have a clue, nor will you ever have a clue. They did more in a few minutes for others than you will do in your life time. They did more for all of us than you will ever do! You do not have the courage to fine one fact about 9/11. You do not have the logical capacity to figure out anything on 9/11.

Flight 93 passengers were thousands of time more brave and capable of logical thinking than the few idiots in the truth movement. You dishonor their memory with your pathetic attempt to lie about 9/11. Find some facts and get some basic education.
 
Without Rights said:
So you recognize that 19 arabs is just a theory? And I believe he meant conspiracies executed by the US Government.
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Nice sidestep. Newton's laws are "just a theory", but on the whole I'm regularly happy to entrust them with my safety. Is the official account a conspiracy theory? If it is, then it's one the debunkers believe "could be true", so we're not as closed minded as you want to portray us. If it isn't, then you can't claim equivalence with the fantasies of the truth movement. Your choice.

And if he meant "conspiracies executed by the US Government", why didn't he say so? Are there no other conspiracy theories? (Hint: A-Train's parachuting invIsraelis, Diana conspiracy theories, David Carmichael's endless ravings about the USS Liberty.) Are you speaking for SkepticalCriticalGuy now?

Dave
 
beachnut said:
Why do truthers have problems with simple things. Yes 19 terrorist boarded 4 planes. 3 planes hit buildings. 1 plane was forced down by the passengers.

THE passengers of FLIGHT 93 did in 60 minutes what the truters have messed up in 5 years and still do not have a clue. YES, some ordinary people stopped the hijackers from making their target. HOW could they figure out in 60 minutes what you idiots have messed up for 5 years? Why are they so much smarter then the entire truth movement combined!?

They figured out what you and your liars in the truth movement still do not have a clue, nor will you ever have a clue. They did more in a few minutes for others than you will do in your life time. They did more for all of us than you will ever do! You do not have the courage to fine one fact about 9/11. You do not have the logical capacity to figure out anything on 9/11.

Flight 93 passengers were thousands of time more brave and capable of logical thinking than the few idiots in the truth movement. You dishonor their memory with your pathetic attempt to lie about 9/11. Find some facts and get some basic education.
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Are your last three post's a good example of "facts"?
 
Dave Rogers said:
For what value of the variable "conspiracy theory" would you like to know?
Dave
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I'd like to know a conspiracy theory that you believe could be true. Vince Foster? Drugs through Clinton's Mena? Wellstone? JFK? Tonkin? Anything? (Skip Watergate, please).
 
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Dave Rogers said:
And if he meant "conspiracies executed by the US Government", why didn't he say so? Are there no other conspiracy theories? (Hint: A-Train's parachuting invIsraelis, Diana conspiracy theories, David Carmichael's endless ravings about the USS Liberty.)

Dave
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OK, you can choose from those, too. It doesn't specifically have to be theories that point to the US government.
 
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