Mushroom Cloud and Pyroclastic Flow

[peteweaver]

Hey 'Truth'seeker, ever thought of a career in stand up comedy ?
You're pretty funny lol.

Planes hit towers towers got damaged, towers caught fire, damage got exacerbated by the heat which weakened the steel, top parts of towers fell as damaged area could no longer support them, air got forced out, debris got ejected as building pancaked, debris hit WTC 7 causing structural damage and fire. Collapse of twin towers knocks out water mains.
Sprinkler systems in WTC 7 disabled, fire teams also have no water except that in their fire engines, so its like a very small water pistol against a very large bonfire, fire teams pulled out for their own safety, at 2 pm a bulge is noticed on the southwest corner of WTC 7 which is a sign that the building is structurally unstable and will collapse in time, Greenwich st evacuated because of fears WTC 7 will collapse, and three hours later it does just that collapsing diagonally backwards.

No explosive charges could have survived the blaze, RDX based explosives (commonly referred to as C4) ignite at 206 degrees C, fires were more than adequate to ignite any charges, and ignition would have either burned the charges away, or more likely have ignited the detonators and caused immediate detonation and the buildings would have collapsed much sooner.

As for the thermite theory, thermite burns but does not explode, this would not have caused any sounds of explosions and again, the buildings would have come down much sooner than they did.

Arabs did it. Simple as that.

 

[gumboot]

It is the overall density of the fluid that I am speaking of. The combination of the dust and air, that fell rapidly, and behaved as a fluid, as a distinct phase. This fluid fell about as fast as water would fall, if the water was poured in a large stream. Thus the notion that the falling dust-fluid had about the same density as water is well supported by the available observations.

I arrived at this estimate because the stuff falls rapidly, more rapidly than raindrops, certainly. I don't recall stating anything about gravel, but indeed the dust-fluid was very dense, and I doubt gravel would fall any faster.

*Head Asplode*

-Gumboot

P.S. Stundied!

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

I think we are making some progress here TS.

An object with spaces will still create a low pressure path behind it, just not as low a pressure as a solid object. As this path gets filled with lighter debris, this becomes a flow that more debris will follow. Also denser objects in this stream will move faster.

I've personally experienced this effect by being at the end of a bike pace line 50 riders long. Was I drafting the lead rider? No, I was drafting the rider right in front of me, who was drafting the rider in front of him.....

So you're suggesting that the drywall dust creates its own draft? Again, let's design an experiment babazaroni. Please tell me what materials and methods we could use, and throw a large solid object over a cliff, and try to recreate the "drafting drywall dust" effect.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

Arabs did it. Simple as that.

Hey, Pete. Could you please explain what the Arabs did with the north wall of WTC1? I see about 10-20 stories of it standing, leaning out over WTC6. And I see a few sections scattered about, but, gosh darn it, I can't find about 600 of the 3x3 perimeter sections anywhere. Please tell we what became of it. Supply evidence please.

Thanks.

 

[babazaroni]

So you're suggesting that the drywall dust creates its own draft? Again, let's design an experiment babazaroni. Please tell me what materials and methods we could use, and throw a large solid object over a cliff, and try to recreate the "drafting drywall dust" effect.

Why do you focus on drywall?

You know there was an acre of concrete 4 inches thick on each floor right?

 

[WildCat]

Hey, Pete. Could you please explain what the Arabs did with the north wall of WTC1? I see about 10-20 stories of it standing, leaning out over WTC6. And I see a few sections scattered about, but, gosh darn it, I can't find about 600 of the 3x3 perimeter sections anywhere. Please tell we what became of it. Supply evidence please.

Thanks.

Why don't you tell us what you think happened?

 

[babazaroni]

Why don't you tell us what you think happened?

[TS] I can't find them in this pic. Therefore they must have been disintegrated by an energy weapon. [/TS]

 

[jsiv]

I heard arabs flew a plane into 1 WTC.

Anyone else heard about this theory?

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

Err, uhh... Due to great respect for my sanity I'm avoiding going back to the beginning of this thread, but... what is TS1234 suggesting is the cause of this "steel disintegration during free-fall"? Don't tell me it's a giant laser beam...

 

[A W Smith]

So you're suggesting that the drywall dust creates its own draft? Again, let's design an experiment babazaroni. Please tell me what materials and methods we could use, and throw a large solid object over a cliff, and try to recreate the "drafting drywall dust" effect.

Holy Ganole! you know what? I have already DONE that during demolitions! By actually shoveling bricks with plaster debris out two or three story windows with a flat shovel I have proven babazaroni correct!

 

[The Demon's Head]

This thread is just about a mirror image of the Realistice thread.

 

[peteweaver]

Hey, Pete. Could you please explain what the Arabs did with the north wall of WTC1? I see about 10-20 stories of it standing, leaning out over WTC6. And I see a few sections scattered about, but, gosh darn it, I can't find about 600 of the 3x3 perimeter sections anywhere. Please tell we what became of it. Supply evidence please.

Thanks.

The north wall of WTC 1?
What are you on about ?

The tower came down top down, debris showered off hitting other buildings, it tore a 90 foot hole in WTC 7.

Now bear in mind that a building collapsing uncontrolled in the middle of a city, is a pretty chaotic event. Theres only gonna be photographs of so much stuff on the internet.

What I have to go on is that I'm a trained engineer, I wasn't there, but I do know about explosives, and I do know about clockwise / anti clockwise bending moments, metallurgy, welding, construction, and what people who WERE there have to say about things... A man called Paul Beriff was there, his niece used to go to school with me, he was injured and almost killed by debris falling from WTC 2.

There were no explosives in the towers, there couldnt have been. Thousands of people worked in those buildings, and the sheer scale involved in rigging a building for demolition would have prevented any chance of a covert operation to rig the buildings. The largest demolition charges on the market can cut 3" thick steel with a blast velocity of 26,000 ft per second. The columns at the base of the twin towers were 14" thick, to cut them requires tailor made explosive charges, and the charges would be so heavy that forklifts would be required to carry them. And controlled demolitions involve imploding buildings bottom up, to prevent damage to their surroundings. The twin towers fell top down, consistant with the damage they sustained from crash -> fire.

 

[T.A.M.]

I am done. You cannot argue with idiocy and hope to accomplish anything but accentuate that lingering migraine you've been trying to get rid of.

Hope you have fun argueing with yourself TS. You are like an artsy version of Christophera.

TAM

 

[stateofgrace]

Sorry, i should have said "most" of the falling steel is disintegrating, not "all" of it.

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I am going to regret this I know. TS, it as occurred to you,I assume that virtually very single structural engineer on the planet has seen the photographs you have produced yes? They are not exclusive to just you. Yet for some reason and maybe you can explain it, they have not reached the same conclusion as you.

Don't you find it rather strange that virtually every engineer and scientist on the planet have not said they think the steel is disintegrating in mid air?They completly missed your blatant conclusion.

What, may I be as so bold, do you think is causing steel that is in mid air and falling to the earth, to disintegrate?

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

The north wall of WTC 1?
What are you on about ?

What I have to go on is that I'm a trained engineer,

I'm glad you're an engineer, Pete. Can you please tell me what happened to the north wall of WTC1?

Can you please offer input on a simple experiment that would help confirm the "Drafting Drywall Dust" hypothesis, as requested?

 

[WildCat]

I'm glad you're an engineer, Pete. Can you please tell me what happened to the north wall of WTC1?

Can you please offer input on a simple experiment that would help confirm the "Drafting Drywall Dust" hypothesis, as requested?

Can you please offer your explanationTS1234? Just for ***** and giggles?

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

There were no explosives in the towers, there couldnt have been. Thousands of people worked in those buildings, and the sheer scale involved in rigging a building for demolition would have prevented any chance of a covert operation to rig the buildings. The largest demolition charges on the market can cut 3" thick steel with a blast velocity of 26,000 ft per second. The columns at the base of the twin towers were 14" thick, to cut them requires tailor made explosive charges, and the charges would be so heavy that forklifts would be required to carry them. And controlled demolitions involve imploding buildings bottom up, to prevent damage to their surroundings. The twin towers fell top down, consistant with the damage they sustained from crash -> fire.

You make fair points about conventional explosives. For these and other reasons, we suspect that exotic weapons must have been used. We're looking at fusion, and Directed Energy. Even forgetting the difficulties in remaining covert, conventional explosives are not able to explain the data. Of course, any gravity-driven theory cannot possibly explain the data. You are an engineer, I request that you review the Wood/Reynolds paper.

Your notion about "bottom up" being safer than "top down" is not correct. The idea with the twin towers was to render the tops into powder so that they didn't destroy the bathtub. They intentionally destroyed all 7 WTC buildings (Silverstein's holdings), while attempting to minimize damage to all else.

 

[LashL]

Hey, TS1+2=4, is it true that you're "petgoat" on DU? This has been raised before but you've never answered.

 

[TruthSeeker1234]

I am going to regret this I know. TS, it as occurred to you,I assume that virtually very single structural engineer on the planet has seen the photographs you have produced yes? They are not exclusive to just you. Yet for some reason and maybe you can explain it, they have not reached the same conclusion as you.

Don't you find it rather strange that virtually every engineer and scientist on the planet have not said they think the steel is disintegrating in mid air?They completly missed your blatant conclusion.

What, may I be as so bold, do you think is causing steel that is in mid air and falling to the earth, to disintegrate?

You cleverly say "virtually every engineer and scientist on the planet have not said they think the steel is disintegrating in mid air".

The vast majority of engineers and scientists will not speak about 9/11 at all. I'd be happy to talk to any engineer at all who will agree to be tape recorded and answer my questions over the phone. Thus far several have refused. Some including Jonathan Barnett initially agreed, then backed out. Currently Greening says he will do a televised debate, and I look forward to it.

We observe that something made steel disintegrate. The current lines of research involve directed energy weapons and small nuclear fusion devices. I certainly don't know what it was, but it requires an explanation. Just because we don't know what caused something doensn't mean it didn't happen. It happened.

 

[LashL]

The vast majority of engineers and scientists will not speak about 9/11 at all.

No, they just won't speak to you because you're just another loon with no credentials, no expertise, and no knowledge of the topics that you prattle on about.