Breaking News! 9/11 Mastermind confesses

Arus808 said:
after all this time, you also forgot that he confessed LONG before his capture (back in april 2002) he wasn't captured until September 2002

so, I wonder how we were torturing him in april.
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You don't understand. I'm not saying he's guilty or innocent, I'm saying his confessions are worthless, by nature, since he was not given a decent trial, and was tortured.

Firestone said:
:rolleyes:

My NWO-clearance isn't high enough to know whether Khalid Al-Sheikh Mohammed was tortured or not.

But as has been pointed out before, he confessed to his role in the 9/11-attacks before his arrest. Read here ...
I'm quite sure Khalid Al-Sheikh Mohammed wasn't tortured by Al-Jazeera reporter Yosri Fouda.
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Can anybody on this forum claim that what takes place in Guantanamo is not torture?

http://info.rsr.ch/xobix_media/images/keystone/2007/keyimg20070315_7622187_0.jpg

Oh no, he's just tired on the picture. Must be jetlag.

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stateofgrace said:
I pity you, seriously. Your petty little world has been taken apart. Your childish insults are now simply waves against the shore.
You have lost, your ridiculous movement has hit a brick wall of fact and evidence.

Welcome to history, you are the part that everybody laughs at, the part that everybody says “Hey remember those nutcases who thought it was all an inside job, snigger, snigger"

Keep dreaming, keep spinning. Oh while you are at it why don't you set up a committee to have him released, take to the streets and tell everybody he is innocent and really a good guy. Me? I personally could not care less what happens to this miserable creature. He is a murderer, a cold bloodied, callous mass murderer, of your fellow countrymen.

Go ahead and defend him, I defy you to; I call you and your petty movement out. Show the world your true self, show how you prefer to defend self confessed mass murderers. This movement has already shown it will sink to untold limits to promote its garbage. So I'm sure sinking even lower will be no problem for you.Truth seeker? Don't make me laugh , you neither seek nor care for the truth.
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Thanks SoG. Needed to be said. And you did a better job than I woulda
 
busherie said:
You don't understand. I'm not saying he's guilty or innocent, I'm saying his confessions are worthless, by nature, since he was not given a decent trial, and was tortured.



Can anybody on this forum claim that what takes place in Guantanamo is not torture?

http://info.rsr.ch/xobix_media/images/keystone/2007/keyimg20070315_7622187_0.jpg

Oh no, he's just tired on the picture. Must be jetlag.

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Ah, yes. You can tell he was tortured from looking at that picture. And everyone is tortured in Gitmo, nonstop! We have to ship in extra people to do it. Heck, we even sub-contracted to Halliburton to supply extra manpower so we could keep it going!
Do you have any real, live proof of this, or just more inane statements?
Yeah, didn't think so.
Loser!
 
Ok, you read that then you can honestly discuss these issues.

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/Investigation/story?id=1322866&page=1

(if you want other sources, i can give you UN, Amnesty internatioanl reports)

One question: do you not know the US government has been using torture in its war against terrorism on a pre-planned, large and systematic scale?


I'm amazed... We're discussing 9/11, but that doesn't mean you must close your eyes on everything that has happened since then!

Busherie
 
busherie said:
After all these years, you still believe there are many serious truthers who believe that Al Qaida had nothing to do with 9/11... I wonder in which world YOU live in.
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You wonder what world I live in, why thank you for asking. It is one of reality, one whereby facts and evidence actually count for something. It is one whereby knowledge is acquired from history books and not conspiracy web sites.
Don't you see this guy's confessions come at a very precise time: when 9/11 has gotten to a next scale?
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And what scale is this? One whereby it is being closed off lay to rest and the culprits are put in their rightful place? In jail rotting away?
Obviously the neocons still have two shots: getting or killing OBL, witnessing, allowing ot happen, or staging a new attack in the US.
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Obviously? Got any form of proof of this obviousness? Or just more gut feeling?
Is KSM innocent? I think he has something to do with 9/11.
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You think? I take you have actually read his confession, read the testimony from the 20th hijackers trial?
But you're so blind and forgetful of what democracy is:
NO TORTURE, DECENT TRIAL!
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Blind? How is this? Because I refuse to agree with your insane theories about Americans committing mass murder against there own?
How can you forget this?
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No you forgot this. You have forgotten that somebody declared war on you back in the 90’s. You forget that this war was brought to you country and took 3000 innocent lives.
Like you also forgot that 40% of all terrorist acts were against US person or interesting during the 90’s.
It’s all so nice to forget all this isn’t it? To forget that this man has confessed to heinous crimes against your fellow country men.
Wether he's guilty or innocent is as important as basic rules of democracy.
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Is it really? Then just spell it all out for me. Tell me how the future of democracy hinges on the fate of mass murderer.
Your insane fantasies hinge on it, my friend. You fantasies that are now coming crashing down.
I don't know how much rage you have inside to be so blind and don't even realize that a confessions after spending five years is nothing. I could have written his myself.
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I have no rage; the only person blowing off is you as you silly theories come crashing down
So shut down guantanamo, give the suspects a decent trial.
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This is not about shutting down Guantanamo is it? It is a get out clause for your form of escapism. A way of keeping you fantasies alive. Sad, really, that you would now choose to side with a self confessed mass murderer.
Then you will be able to claim any victory.
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It’s not about victories, it about the truth, bringing to justice evil individuals who callously murder innocent people. Don’t let that worry you though, keep pretending you care all about democracy and you care all about human rights, when the reality is you have done nothing but promote insane theories about a terrorist attack.

Maybe you should actually talk to Al Qaeda and ask them all about your human rights and how they care for you.

After all you now seem to support them.
 
Theses guys weren't waterboarded, they were forced to watch Loose Change, both of them, over and over again. This wasn't a confession as much as it was an attempt to stop the truther stupidity.
 
stateofgrace said:


No you forgot this. You have forgotten that somebody declared war on you back in the 90’s. You forget that this war was brought to you country and took 3000 innocent lives.

Maybe you should actually talk to Al Qaeda and ask them all about your human rights and how they care for you.

After all you now seem to support them.
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How many lives do the US want to get their "revenge"? 3000? 5000? 100000? 1 000 000?

Al Qaida, or "terrorists" in general, make me sick. The murder of innocent people, wether they're Amrican, European, Iraqi, must be condemned.

Torturing, occupying countries, colonizing land (Israel Palestine), not worrying about "collateral damage", using cluster bombs, which now claim one innocent live a day in Lebanon, must be condemned as well.

This is not about defending terrorists. I live in France. Algerian terroris groups have killed dozens of French people in the 90's. I know how they behave.

But (and I'm getting way too political here) Democracy, human rights is what makes us different from them. We must never use ther techniques, otherwise we are like them. We lose our souls.

Busherie
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Let see after six years of torture and brain washing, we are to believe he did almost every terrorist act in the 2000's.

No wonder true skeptics doubt this ..... and false skeptics believe his confession. The false skeptics want to, and it makes their life more comforatble in what they deem a benign government that loves them.
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How about actually reading the transcript, then come back and tell us he sounds like a broken and brainwashed innocent victim. Maybe start on page 20. The funny thing is he almost sounds like a stereotypical truther in a couple of places.
 
"There's a lot that I don't like about Gitmo, but your claim that this picture was from after KSM's internment shows that you have absolutely no grasp of even the most basic facts regarding 9/11 or the subsequent US military campaigns."

Well, ok.

Then he completely missed his morning make up then
 
Give it up Bushrei. KSM admitted to 9/11 before ever being in US custody. OBL admitted to being behind the attack and still isn't in US custody. OBL declared war on the US years before 9/11 even happaned.

Torture or no tortue at Gitmo, KSM & OBL were behind 9/11. If you believe otherwise, present evidence.
 
busherie said:
You don't understand. I'm not saying he's guilty or innocent, I'm saying his confessions are worthless, by nature, since he was not given a decent trial, and was tortured.



Can anybody on this forum claim that what takes place in Guantanamo is not torture?

http://info.rsr.ch/xobix_media/images/keystone/2007/keyimg20070315_7622187_0.jpg

Oh no, he's just tired on the picture. Must be jetlag.

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The photo you link was taken when he was captured, long before he'd even been interrogated. If you want to use that photo as evidence of torture, you'll at least be asked to concede that malnutrition wasn't one of the techniques being used....
 
busherie said:
How many lives do the US want to get their "revenge"? 3000? 5000? 100000? 1 000 000?
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It is not about revenge, it is about disastrous foreign policies after 911. So stop pretending because I don't agree with your inside job theories I support the death of a single innocent person I do not.
Al Qaida, or "terrorists" in general, make me sick. The murder of innocent people, wether they're Amrican, European, Iraqi, must be condemned.

Torturing, occupying countries, colonizing land (Israel Palestine), not worrying about "collateral damage", using cluster bombs, which now claim one innocent live a day in Lebanon, must be condemned as well.

This is not about defending terrorists. I live in France. Algerian terroris groups have killed dozens of French people in the 90's. I know how they behave.
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I agree.

But (and I'm getting way too political here) Democracy, human rights is what makes us different from them. We must never use ther techniques, otherwise we are like them. We lose our souls.
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Nice thought but in principle but there is mileage in the saying "fighting fire with fire".
I do not agree with the war on terror but at some point a line needs to drawn. A stand has to be taken. It is not about selling your soul it is about trying to do the right thing.
I have and will always support basic human rights and despise there abuses. I hate violence I condemn totally the percussion of innocent people but this guy is not innocent. He is a mass murderer. He has lost whatever right he had to even be called a human being.

Please stop trying to use the human rights angle to dismiss what he as said and address what he has said.

Stop trying to look for excuses to simply push it to one side. You have two options, accept it or reject it. Your call.

Do you really seek the truth ? Really seek it?
 
negativ said:
The photo you link was taken when he was captured, long before he'd even been interrogated. If you want to use that photo as evidence of torture, you'll at least be asked to concede that malnutrition wasn't one of the techniques being used....
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I agree about this... The guy's not thin :)
 
busherie said:
After all these years, you still believe there are many serious truthers who believe that Al Qaida had nothing to do with 9/11... I wonder in which world YOU live in.

Don't you see this guy's confessions come at a very precise time: when 9/11 has gotten to a next scale?

Obviously the neocons still have two shots: getting or killing OBL, witnessing, allowing ot happen, or staging a new attack in the US.

Is KSM innocent? I think he has something to do with 9/11.

But you're so blind and forgetful of what democracy is:
NO TORTURE, DECENT TRIAL!

How can you forget this?

Wether he's guilty or innocent is as important as basic rules of democracy.

I don't know how much rage you have inside to be so blind and don't even realize that a confessions after spending five years is nothing. I could have written his myself.

So shut down guantanamo, give the suspects a decent trial.

Then you will be able to claim any victory.



Busherie
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Guantanamo can not be shutdown and not all the suspects can be given a trial. Moussaoui's trial is an example of this. To put all the suspects on trial would have each trial lasting a few years. Look how long it took for Moussaoui to recieve his sentence.
 
Oliver said:
Key 9/11 suspect confesses guilt



Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind behind the 11 September attacks, has admitted responsibility, a court transcript says.

 "I was responsible for the 9/11 Operation, from A to Z," he said.
He also reportedly confessed to planning 29 acts of terrorism, including plans to attack Big Ben and Heathrow airport in London....

Full Story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/6452573.stm
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He did? He is lying. I was responsible for 911. Osama directed me from his ultra hi-tech cave in Afghanistan.
I was the one who sneeked into the towers and planted the explosives. I made the standown of the US airforce possible.
 
Davidjayjordan said:
Let see after six years of torture and brain washing, we are to believe he did almost every terrorist act in the 2000's.

No wonder true skeptics doubt this ..... and false skeptics believe his confession. The false skeptics want to, and it makes their life more comforatble in what they deem a benign government that loves them.
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Freakin A! You have no idea how many terrorist acts occurred in the 2000's, do you? He claimed a few, not even a majority so quit with your theatrics.

Lurker
 
stateofgrace said:


I have and will always support basic human rights and despise there abuses. I hate violence I condemn totally the percussion of innocent people but this guy is not innocent. He is a mass murderer. He has lost whatever right he had to even be called a human being.

Please stop trying to use the human rights angle to dismiss what he as said and address what he has said.

Stop trying to look for excuses to simply push it to one side. You have two options, accept it or reject it. Your call.

Do you really seek the truth ? Really seek it?
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I do seek the truth. And let me tell you that debating on this forum has always been interesting. Actually, I've changed my mind on a lot of points: F77, WTC 1 and 2 (not 7 yet) etc.. On other points, like WTC7 and especially Mineta, I stand firm. The truth is not known yet.

On KSM, the fact that he is a mass murderer does not deprive him of his human rights. This is where we do not agree. That is what makes democracy stronger than other regimes, and morally superior.
 
If there were USG invovlement in the attacks, wouldn't KSM expose those who were invovled? He probably would.

KSM would want to cause further harm to the USG, so he would expose the USG officials/agents that would have been invovled.
 
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