Buzz lightyear and the JREF Challenge

[The Atheist]

...I use a dragons egg .

Scrambled? Fried? Over easy?

 

[The Atheist]

Goes to show: We DO have nutters here in Oz! Really GOOD ones too!

Dunno whether "good" is quite right. "Funny", sure. "Insane", possibly. "Deluded", undountedly.

 

[Tricky]

Dunno whether "good" is quite right. "Funny", sure. "Insane", possibly. "Deluded", undountedly.

I think the implication is "...good at what they do".

 

[The Atheist]

I think the implication is "...good at what they do".

That could be the case, except Buzz isn't very good at it at all!

He changes his tune more often than a piano floating in a sea of waste oil and has no idea what he's talking about.

 

[Tricky]

That could be the case, except Buzz isn't very good at it at all!

He changes his tune more often than a piano floating in a sea of waste oil and has no idea what he's talking about.

Ah, but recall what Zep was saying about Buzz's particular talent...

Goes to show: We DO have nutters here in Oz! Really GOOD ones too!

All the things you describe are ideal characteristics for being a good "nutter".

For some reason, I'm reminded of a scene from one of my favorite movies, Little Big Man.

Jack Crabb: [voiceover] It was Little Horse; the boy who wouldn't go on the raid against the Pawnee. He had become a "heemanee" for which there ain't no English word. And he was a good one, too. The Human Beings thought a lot of him.

 

[buzz lightyear]

Sorry Klaymore , can't do any sideshow tricks while I am " in dragon form " .So card tricks are out of the equation .
Have been working on one parranormal trick though , that I call " parallel vision " .
It seems that when two people are in the vicinity of each other , things that are visible or noticed by one become obvious to the other .
The things that I "see" while in "dragon form" become visible to someone near me .
Was going to test it out on Zep , but he piked .

Could be that since I turned him into a Mexican walking fish he has limited time out of his fish tank .

 

[Klaymore]

Have been working on one parranormal trick though , that I call " parallel vision " .
It seems that when two people are in the vicinity of each other , things that are visible or noticed by one become obvious to the other .
The things that I "see" while in "dragon form" become visible to someone near me .

Does the dragon see things that are in the same room as your human form, or outside the room, or both?

 

[Belz...]

Can you breathe fire ?

 

[buzz lightyear]

Its not that complicated Klaymore . All that happens is that I get to "see" the world as the dragon did/does .
I understand how the landforms were created because they are the product of this creature .
I also have an affinity with sound, which is interesting when I go into the local cafe for my caffeine hit. By harmonising with the drink fridges I can fill the shop with the most beautiful music .
Come to think of it , there are quite a few interesting side effects , particularly with interacting with animals . But that is a whole other story .

Havn't been able to beathe fire, Belz . Can't even shoot lightning out of my fingertips , so as a demigod, I can't mix it with the big boys yet .

 

[jimbob]

Buzz is a parody, right?

He is actually an ultra-rational sceptic havaing a bit of a giggle, yes?

No?

You mean he actually believes it/ expects us to believe it?

No.

 

[Little 10 Toes]

There is a big difference between people who believe in magical things and those who can "do" magical things , Tricky .
This is probably why I dont feel the need to be rude to those who disagree with my ideas . I have nothing to prove .

Shouldn't that last line read, "I haven't proven anything"?

I realise that my ideas may sound silly , but there was a time when the idea that the earth is round was inconcievable .

My ideas are based on field research , repeated experiments and photographic and written documentation in what could be considered a scientific approach .
The last phase of this system is to discuss the findings with people , such as yourselves , who have an interest in both geology and the occult .

Please provide examples of your " repeated " " experiments " and your " scientific " " approach " .

Not really much into busting up rocks ,Tricky so I'll give the rock hammer and core drill a miss .
Anyway ,most of these sites are in National Park, and they get pissed if you go busting rocks in there. Besides this, there is a 5 meter road cut right through the site , gives a good cross section .

And evidence , hey Zep .
There is the Aboriginal mythology ........but........
In fact there is hardly a place in the world that doesnt have a creation serpent tucked away in some corner. But its just mythology so we will rule it non admissable.
There is the sandstone , but we still have to "test" it ,so its an unknown .

So then no evidence. Test sandstone how? And what are we testing it for?

You have gone to length to find examples of creation theories that don't contain serpents ,Tirdun . Even quoting those that do contain serpents , but have other aspects to them i.e Japanese , Hindu , Norse and Egyptian .
This selective quoting seems to be a common event in this forum .

Well since you paint blanket statements, we show where you are wrong. If I say I never lie, and you show one statement were I did lie, that would show people I am wrong. Your statement about creation statements is a blanket statement. Turdin's post here has proven you wrong. I have proven you wrong.

Tricky also did this with his information on Francis Crick .
He chose not to mention that Mr Crick was a member of a group called " Soma " who were advocating the legalisation of marijauna .
The interesting thing about the name "soma" is that it is the name of the hallucinogenic mushroom , " Fly Agaric " .
It seems very likely that anyone involved in this group had more than a passing involvement in hallucinogens .

Just like all Spaniards were part of the The Spanish Inquisition (I bet you didn't expect that ).

This is not "critical thinking" , but something that was common in the dark ages , more what could be called " blinkered thinking " .

What is not critical thinking? Please elaborate.

Your understanding of others occurs in your mind . Belz .
So if you don't understand yourself and your thought processes then it is impossible to understand others and your relationship to them.

So far, we are just trying to understand your thought process and you.

And science should be an open ended field , constantly searching .

And so far, we are still constantly searching for your proof.

Do you know what science is, Athiest ?

It is desceibed as " Systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimation " .

This is pretty much how I arrived at my hypothesis .

You will note that the description of "science" contains no reference to googling up information, of dubious origin, or backslapping with your mates in a internet forum .

So before you start telling me about science, it's probably good if you got out there and did a bit of your own .

Is the third time the charm? What repeatible experimention have you done? What observations have you shown to us that provides proof of a Rainbow Serpent that has wings and legs? You have said that it has wings and legs (too lazy to search for the exact post). And more importantly, what proof have you shown that a creation serpent exists or has previously existed?

Quote ; "Like other physically adictive drugs, nicotine causes pathological down-regulation of the production of dopamine and other stimulatory neurotransmitters as the brain attempts to compensate for artificial stimulation. When nicotine exposure ceases, the neural changes it creates in the brain and body are unpleasant."

Referance please? Nice way of grinding gears from endorphines to nicotine.

Hey Belz , since Wilkapedia is the approved source of info for this forum , this is what they say about dose tollerence .

It is *a* reference, not *the* approved source. I used it to counter your statements.

Sorry Klaymore , can't do any sideshow tricks while I am " in dragon form " .So card tricks are out of the equation .
Have been working on one parranormal trick though , that I call " parallel vision " .
It seems that when two people are in the vicinity of each other , things
that are visible or noticed by one become obvious to the other .
The things that I "see" while in "dragon form" become visible to someone near me .
Was going to test it out on Zep , but he piked .

Could be that since I turned him into a Mexican walking fish he has limited time out of his fish tank .

This is --insert favorite curse words here-- funny as all --insert favorite afterlife place here-- ever got!!! So you manipulate sound mass, travel forwards and backwards in time, able to possess other people's bodies, *and* can have a dragon form? Did you steal ninja-Cartman's powers?

Its not that complicated Klaymore . All that happens is that I get to "see" the world as the dragon did/does .
I understand how the landforms were created because they are the product of this creature .

So finally the Rainbow Serpent is a dragon. And I thought that land mass was formed by the shifting of the plates of the Earth. News to me. And previously you said that there are creation serpents, but you can only "see" the world as "the" one dragon does. Which is it, only one dragon or multiple serpents.

I also have an affinity with sound, which is interesting when I go into the local cafe for my caffeine hit. By harmonising with the drink fridges I can fill the shop with the most beautiful music .
Come to think of it , there are quite a few interesting side effects , particularly with interacting with animals . But that is a whole other story .

You mean infinity Buzz, like "To Infinity and beyond!" Remember while you're going to infinity, Chuck Norris counted to it. Twice.

Havn't been able to beathe fire, Belz . Can't even shoot lightning out of my fingertips , so as a demigod, I can't mix it with the big boys yet .

Please provide proof that you can mix it with the big boys. Please provide "the big boys" exist.

Hey Klaymore , I do pretty much the same thing as in the movie except I use sound to create an energy field .
And I dont do it in a float tank , I use a dragons egg .

But the result is pretty much the same , contact with a primal part of my being . Except in this case it is a couple of hundred metres long with scales and wings .

No, you said that you use a sound chamber and you make a sound mass. You never mentioned the dragon thing before.

Since I'm posting here, I'll go to one of my favorite topics. Buzz, why haven't you answered my original questions (mgs #140 & #377) about how you talked to the wrong people building the pyramids? I will continue to say that you have not gotten any of your facts and/or story correct. I'll let your history of avoidance speak for itself.

 

[chillzero]

Buzz is a parody, right?

He is actually an ultra-rational sceptic havaing a bit of a giggle, yes?

No?

No, he's a writer. He's trying out ideas for stories, and avoiding having to spend quality time with his girlfriend.

You mean he actually believes it/ expects us to believe it?

No.

No. He's using you all... either for his own amusement, or for checks into what might or might not work in his stories.

 

[Belz...]

Havn't been able to beathe fire, Belz . Can't even shoot lightning out of my fingertips , so as a demigod, I can't mix it with the big boys yet .

Well, that'd at least be some proof of what you're saying. AND demonstratable. A million dollars, you see ?

 

[buzz lightyear]

He is actually an ultra-rational sceptic .

You got that right jimbob .

I am glad you used the term "sceptic" , meaning " a person who questions the validity or authenticity of something porporting to be factual " .

In my case this "something" is the origins of areas of our earths surface .

As apposed to "skeptic", meaning " blinkered thinking, group approval seeking, personality cult following forum junkie" .

And Little 10 Toes, you have to be a puplic servant , probably from the I.R.S. Long winded....................like no other !
I am not here to prove anything . I am attempting to establish a set of protocols for a "challenge" claim .

And the "sound chamber" is the dragons egg case .

 

[GzuzKryzt]

...
I am not here to prove anything .

Ok.

I am attempting to establish a set of protocols for a "challenge" claim .
...

You have demonstrated, repeatedly, that this is not true.

And technically, technically, if you want to submit a Challenge claim, you do intend to prove something.

 

[Tricky]

You got that right jimbob.

Interesting. You do realize, don't you, that what Jimbob was saying is that you don't believe any of this stuff you are saying, but are just making an elaborate joke? Is he right about that?

I am glad you used the term "sceptic" , meaning " a person who questions the validity or authenticity of something porporting to be factual ".

LOL. Did you make that up yourself? I'm guessing you did, because it is very weak. A skeptic is someone who requires rigorous examination of the evidence before accepting something. All you require is somebody's hallucinogenic dreams. You don't even look at evidence apart from some pictures about which he has made some bizarre statements involving never-before-seen creatures. You are about as rigorous as isometric finger exercises.

In my case this "something" is the origins of areas of our earths surface.

You've questioned it, true, but you haven't shown for one second that you even understand what you are questioning. Instead, you are providing fantastic stories for which you provide no evidence at all. I hate to break it to you, Buzz but that makes you the opposite of a skeptic.

As apposed to "skeptic", meaning " blinkered thinking, group approval seeking, personality cult following forum junkie".

You see anybody like that here? Unless by "blinkered" you mean "requiring evidence". I admit to being blinkered by that particular habit.

And Little 10 Toes, you have to be a puplic servant , probably from the I.R.S. Long winded....................like no other !

A servant of pupils? LOL. You're not very good at being insulting either.

I am not here to prove anything.

... and you're doing a wonderful job of it.

I am attempting to establish a set of protocols for a "challenge" claim.

As GzuzKrist pointed out, claims require evidence, this means you are trying to prove something. Or do you also misunderstand the meaning of the word "claim"?

And the "sound chamber" is the dragons egg case.

I can only assume that in whatever fantasy world you're living in, that sentence made sense.

 

[buzz lightyear]

Interesting.. A skeptic is someone who requires rigorous examination of the evidence before accepting something. ".

.

You seemed to accept the information that you found in a couple of googled sites as fact , Tricky .

Personally I sat down with a professor of geology and discussed these sites at length . His main comment was that, from his perspective, the factors that led to these formations was unknown .

And, of the people who have commented on this subject, in this forum, I am the only one to have first hand knowledge of the sites .
So you are going on hearsay and second hand information . Not what could be called " rigorous examination".

 

[Paul]

You seemed to accept the information that you found in a couple of googled sites as fact , Tricky .

Obviously, what would a geologist know about rocks an' stuff.

Personally I sat down with a professor of geology and discussed these sites at length . His main comment was that, from his perspective, the factors that led to these formations was unknown .

So he didn't mention dragons, lizards, Egyptian gods or time travel?

And, of the people who have commented on this subject

You mean those pesky professionals?

I am the only one to have first hand knowledge of the sites .

Don't you find it just the tiniest bit strange that, given the thousands of people who have seen these sites over the years, you are the only one who thinks that flying, befooted, legless, dragon-lizards are responsible?

So you are going on hearsay and second hand information .

I'll take that over the pixies in your head.

 

[Paul]

By the way, the sceptic/skeptic game? We know it's one that idiots with no argument like to play, so that won't get you anywhere either.

 

[buzz lightyear]

Obviously, what would a geologist know about rocks an' stuff.
.

The geologist, that I discussed the sandstone formations with, had actually studied them on site, for many years .
His opinion was from observation, not photographs .

So far the geologists in this forum have agreed on only one thing " geology is a field subject ".