Questions for Jesus-Freak

[RationalReverend]

Really? What does it explain?

Your bitterness

 

[RandFan]

I can say that for me they are not.

That's fine but you see the difficulty we have with your claim? It has as the same meaning to us as the person who believes in leprechauns. There are prosaic answers why you think what you think without there being any god. In fact, the prosaic answers are more parsimonious. Given that there are so many contradictory beliefs that can't all be correct then it is easy to simply say that if some must be wrong then of what value are such beliefs? The person who worships Vishnu and the fact that he worships vishnu is of no value to you no matter how confident the person is who believes in Vishnu. Why should what you believe be of any value to any of us?

I'm about to find out, you do know I have failed it once?
I may or may not take the challenge again.

I honestly did not know.

If you take the challenge again you will fail.
If you are intellectually honest you will admit that you can't do what you claim you can do.
If you aren't you will find excuses.

There is only one reason so many dowsers always fail when the claims are objectively tested. It really is this simple. Either internal combustion works or it doesn't. When objectively tested it works. Either gravity works or it doesn't when objectively tested it works.

It’s like the answers and links just pop up, very strange because I’m at a loss and then there it is.

Your answers tend to be rhetorical and not argument. If you are simply looking for rhetorical responses the task can be daunting. However, if you are presented with an easy to understand and coherent argument all you have to do is attack the logic of the argument.

"Answers and links" don't need to "pop up".

 

[RandFan]

Your bitterness

Even assuming that Beleth is bitter what basis do you have for a causal connection?

 

[RationalReverend]

Why do you say that?

Beleth doesn't like me very much, and went on this tirade against me the first thread I posted in. She irrationally demanded that I join another website to talk to some guy who everyone else said was a jerk anyway.

 

[RandFan]

Beleth doesn't like me very much, and went on this tirade against me the first thread I posted in. She irrationally demanded that I join another website to talk to some guy who everyone else said was a jerk anyway.

You are quick on the draw. You missed my edit.

Even assuming that Beleth is bitter what basis do you have for a causal connection?

 

[RationalReverend]

Even assuming that Beleth is bitter what basis do you have for a causal connection?

Her overreaction to an innocuous comment on the future of Pentateuchal studies, and the ineffectiveness of past methodologies.

 

[RandFan]

Her overreaction to an innocuous comment on the future of Pentateuchal studies, and the ineffectiveness of past methodologies.

Your response is a non-sequitur.

When ice cream sales increase so does the rate of people swimming.
One doesn't have anything to do with the other.

So, what basis do you have for a causal connection?

 

[RationalReverend]

Your response is a non-sequitur.

When ice cream sales increase so does the rate of people swimming.
One doesn't have anything to do with the other.

So, what basis do you have for a causal connection?

No it isn't, her sensitivity makes a lot more sense given her Mormon upbringing. At least, based on my experience. Feel free to deconstruct this into whatever you want.

 

[RandFan]

No it isn't...

"No it isn't" what?

...her sensitivity makes a lot more sense given her Mormon upbringing. At least, based on my experience.

Anecdotal. Your reason is the reason why there is so much strife in the world. People choose subjective anecdotal experience over objective reasoning. You need to change your user name.

Feel free to deconstruct this into whatever you want.

There is no need to deconstruct anything. The basis for your belief is demonstrably fallacious.

 

[RationalReverend]

Anecdotal. Your reason is the reason why there is so much strife in the world. People choose subjective anecdotal experience over objective reasoning. You need to change your user name.

There is no need to deconstruct anything. The basis for your belief is demonstrably fallacious.

I was also being intentionally ironic, as she made statements earlier in the thread of a similar nature regarding myself, but even so, I made a judgment based on her behavior. I don't claim my judgment to be infallible, but I do think it is justifiable given her actions. Now, I know this will not satisfy you, and honestly I could care less. You cannot know exactly what another person's feelings and experiences are unless they tell. In a roundabout way, that is exactly the point I am making.

 

[RandFan]

I was also being intentionally ironic, as she made statements earlier in the thread of a similar nature regarding myself

Why are you only now making this point?

Now, I know this will not satisfy you, and honestly I could care less. You cannot know exactly what another person's feelings and experiences are unless they tell. In a roundabout way, that is exactly the point I am making.

I'm having difficulty grasping your the purpose of this. I agree that you cannot know exactly what another person's feelings and experience are unless they tell. What does that have to do with the point at hand?

 

[RationalReverend]

Why are you only now making this point?

because it is less potent if I say it plainly, it is more meaningful if she realizes it herself.

I'm having difficulty grasping your the purpose of this. I agree that you cannot know exactly what another person's feelings and experience are unless they tell. What does that have to do with the point at hand?

That's because you weren't around for an earlier exchange in this very thread. It is hilarious that you jumped to all sorts of conclusions then try to act like I have been committing all sorts of logical fallacies. Your own argumentation could be returned at you almost verbatim.

 

[RandFan]

RR
No it isn't, her sensitivity makes a lot more sense given her Mormon upbringing.

I was also being intentionally ironic, as she made statements earlier in the thread of a similar nature regarding myself...

Hold on, something doesn't make sense. If you thought she was unfair to draw such are ridiculous connection then why would you say "makes a lot more sense given her Mormon upbringing."

You are slipping and sliding here. The first statement is utter nonsense. It is bigoted and irrational. Do you accept that or not?

 

[RandFan]

because it is less potent if I say it plainly, it is more meaningful if she realizes it herself.

No, that's not what I'm talking about. Why didn't you say that when I asked you about it?

That's because you weren't around for an earlier exchange in this very thread. It is hilarious that you jumped to all sorts of conclusions...

Hilarious? Really? Did you or did you not say "No it isn't, her sensitivity makes a lot more sense given her Mormon upbringing."

...then try to act like I have been committing all sorts of logical fallacies. Your own argumentation could be returned at you almost verbatim.

No.

 

[RationalReverend]

Hold on, something doesn't make sense. If you thought she was unfair to draw such are ridiculous connection then why would you say "makes a lot more sense given her Mormon upbringing."

You are slipping and sliding here. The first statement is utter nonsense. It is bigoted and irrational. Do you accept that or not?

It is my opinion, but I only stated it to make a point. Normally, I would just keep something like that to myself because for all I know, she may treasure her Mormon upbringing. Anyhoo, I have to wake up in 5 hours so I'm off. Feel free to continue alone in my absence.

 

[RandFan]

It is my opinion...

It a bigoted and unenlightened opinion. Like I said, such opinions are at the heart of much of the strife of the world.

Jews are _________

Protestants are __________

Catholics are ___________

Muslims are __________

Fill in the blank.

Being that it is the 21st century and all perhaps it's time we gave up stereotypes.

...but I only stated it to make a point. Normally, I would just keep something like that to myself because for all I know, she may treasure her Mormon upbringing.

I think you should keep it to yourself simply because the opinion is bigoted.

 

[Beleth]

Apparently in RR's world, the only bitter folks are Mormons.

Also apparently, pointing someone to someone who can correct their errors in knowlege is "irrational".

Also also apparently, being taught something is equivalent to being raised in a certain tradition.

The more I am exposed to RR's world, the more I am glad I do not live in it. But that's just because I'm a silly 18-year-old Mormon lesbian.

 

[Beleth]

Anyway, enough amusing diversion. Back to the worthwhile part.

1 through 3 were witnessed.

So was the flatness of the Earth, and by more people.

Would you die to perpetuate a lie?

I would if I didn't know it was a lie, and it was a lie that made death not sound so bad. Or are you telling us that the nineteen 9/11 hijackers really are enjoying the company of 72 virgins in Paradise right now?

 

[RationalReverend]

It a bigoted and unenlightened opinion. Like I said, such opinions are at the heart of much of the strife of the world.

Jews are _________

Protestants are __________

Catholics are ___________

Muslims are __________

Fill in the blank.

Being that it is the 21st century and all perhaps it's time we gave up stereotypes.

I think you should keep it to yourself simply because the opinion is bigoted.

Or maybe, just maybe you aren't playing with a full deck. Feel free to read through the very thread you are posting in and maybe you will understand. She made a similar statement about myself and my religion, I did it back to prove a point. I have no doubt that it is her own opinion, and in this case it certainly is my opinion that her Mormon heritage has led to bitterness. You can blather on and on and on (and you probably will), but you still don't know what you are talking about. Furthermore, I never said "All former Mormons are bitter." You have irrationally drawn my statement into that, when that is not what I said at all. Judging from your title "Mormon Atheist" you used to be one too, and somehow think my comment towards Beleth includes you. It doesn't, so get over it.

 

[RationalReverend]

Apparently in RR's world, the only bitter folks are Mormons.

I never said that.

Also apparently, pointing someone to someone who can correct their errors in knowlege is "irrational".

No, you hounding me through the whole thread demanding I talk to someone at a different forum because I follow the Literary school of thought rather than some outdated German deconstruction.

Also also apparently, being taught something is equivalent to being raised in a certain tradition.

The more I am exposed to RR's world, the more I am glad I do not live in it. But that's just because I'm a silly 18-year-old Mormon lesbian.

Ahhh, to the heart of it. Compare my statement about your Mormonism, to your statement about my Christianity.