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PS Audio Noise Harvester

Yea, I remember when it came out, the last part is the best.

Give Up.

Paul

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ExtremeSkeptic said:
Has anyone in this thread tried the Noise Harvester yet? Or do you all just post in this thread to make fun of all the "delusional" audiophiles because it makes you feel superior to them.

You obviously don't want to try the Harvester for fear of it making a difference, because then you know that all the other tweaks could make a difference as well. And that is not the path you want to take.
You also have fear that it doesn't make a difference because then you would get disappointed.
So the 3rd option is to try it and not expecting to hear a difference, instead you plug it in and record it with a crappy microphone and make a video to make yourself look big and special.
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If you buy me a Noise Harvester, I'll be happy to try it. I'll might also be able to do some blind test (though probably not double) with the guys in the Electrical Engineering Department where I work (who already laugh their a**es off about that thing; they would love to play with one). The only reason I don't is that I do not want to shill out 100 bucks for it, as opposed to you. The outcome of the test has nothing to do with it.

You might not accept the outcome, though, since my sound equipment is not up to your 'standards'.
 
elgarak said:
If you buy me a Noise Harvester, I'll be happy to try it. I'll might also be able to do some blind test (though probably not double) with the guys in the Electrical Engineering Department where I work (who already laugh their a**es off about that thing; they would love to play with one). The only reason I don't is that I do not want to shill out 100 bucks for it, as opposed to you. The outcome of the test has nothing to do with it.

You might not accept the outcome, though, since my sound equipment is not up to your 'standards'.
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Where are you? I might send you the one I bought for the test. If you will have the EEs at your dept write a full report showing its bunk so we can post it to PSAudio and slam them.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
Has anyone in this thread tried the Noise Harvester yet? Or do you all just post in this thread to make fun of all the "delusional" audiophiles because it makes you feel superior to them.

You obviously don't want to try the Harvester for fear of it making a difference, because then you know that all the other tweaks could make a difference as well. And that is not the path you want to take.
You also have fear that it doesn't make a difference because then you would get disappointed.
So the 3rd option is to try it and not expecting to hear a difference, instead you plug it in and record it with a crappy microphone and make a video to make yourself look big and special.
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I bought it, heard no change, also along with a listen test did the SMAART test. And maybe you can explain to us all why the DPA microphone I used is so crappy?
 
Paulhoff said:
Yes my young friend, as there is gravity, you are only playing with your equipment............

Paul

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Not that there's anything wrong with that. I play with my equipment once, sometimes three times a day, although fortunately I have the good sense not to take pictures and videos and post them on the internet.

What I really need is someone to play with my equipment for me, then I could get a lot more serious work done. This typing with one hand is extremely cumbersome.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
It is better to learn how everything works instead. And for that you need to go deep inside yourself and figure out how you work.
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Just how do you propose one can learn about the world around oneself by "going deep inside"? All you're doing then is SHUTTING OUT the world around you.

Just wondering, did you attain your mastery of "advanced physics" by "going deep inside" and finding the answers there?

Curious, how do you know if you're right or not? Since you so sincerely believe we don't know "the truth", you must also believe that you yourself do. But what you call "the truth" is based on willful ignorance of what's really going on in the world around you, and amounts to nothing more than the extremely uninformed opinion of one man.

That's not a "truth" I'm particularly interested in knowing.

ExtremeSkeptic said:
Narrow-minded skeptics are those who search for the answers elsewhere. They don't realize that they already know the answer.
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Oh I see, so it's bad to read and learn and look out into the world for answers. That certainly explains your obvious ignorance of, well, pretty much everything.

(FYI: ignorance is a bad thing.)

ExtremeSkeptic said:
So they go out and learn knowledge from books thinking it will lead somewhere, but it doesn't.
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What do you mean it doesn't? Perhaps if I applied your level of thought I could go out and buy a book that will lead me nowhere, but that's not what happens when I go out and buy a book worth reading.

But why spend the effort learning about what truth really is, when you can just claim you have "the truth" and be a prick to anyone who disagrees with you, right?

ExtremeSkeptic said:
So they read more and more until they get stuck in the delusion and can't get out from it.
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What delusion, the delusion that there is knowledge and reality outside myself? That's no delusion, that's mental development.

ExtremeSkeptic said:
It's not hard to see who the one that lives in the magic land is.
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No, it really isn't.

ExtremeSkeptic said:
Magic land of books and flawed knowledge they can play around in.
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Whatever man.. whatever.
 
osmosis said:
Oh I see, so it's bad to read and learn and look out into the world for answers. That certainly explains your obvious ignorance of, well, pretty much everything.

(FYI: ignorance is a bad thing.)
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Ignorance is learning the rules of a game and not knowing why the game is there in the first place.

That's what you are doing, you play around with the physics books and you learn the rules of the Universe. Universe is your playground and physics books are your toys. You live in limited magic land that has rules.
 
It is a fool that only uses them self as their soul teacher................

A fool can’t learn from a wise man …. But a wise man can learn from a fool

Paul

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Paulhoff said:
It is a fool that only uses them self as their soul teacher................

A fool can’t learn from a wise man …. But a wise man can learn from a fool

Paul

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Teaching someone the highest level knowledge is impossible because the student doesn't have the same experience and the way of thought as the teacher, the only way is to figure out everything by yourself and create the knowledge the way you understand it with your own way of thinking.
 
It is a fool that only uses them self as tester and the one being tested.

Paul

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Paulhoff said:
It is a fool that only uses them self as tester and the one being tested.

Paul

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If you test someone else you won't be able to fully understand it because all you look at is numbers.

I experimented with Harvesters again. I removed them from the wall and bass was gone, it didn't sound acceptable, Premier Power Plant wasn't functioning properly without them. The difference was as big as warm vs cold system.
 
ExtremeSkeptic said:
If you test someone else you won't be able to fully understand it because all you look at is numbers.
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Yea, you will not be able to fool yourself again, this may come as a big surprise to you, but other people can hear too and you can train them, I have actual see humans learn how to dance. And the MP3's you are listening to are stored in numbers, daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa and my young friend you do not know me well enough to say what I do or don’t do when it comes to anything.

Paul

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ExtremeSkeptic said:
Just snap the ferrite core around the cable and it magically improves the sound...It is weird that skeptics don't think this is snake oil. Skeptics don't have a mind of their own...
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It is not snake oil because it has been proved to work, and the theory of how it works is well understood and makes sense.

Hans
 
MRC_Hans said:
I can believe that. But then I don't believe that solid state systems need to warm up ;).

Hans
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Yea, a friend of mine buys into that BS, I always lie to him when he would come over by telling him that I had the equipment on all day, the illusion makes him happy, but I still would tell him that it is all BS. Last summer I went north for some family business, and after that I went up to a friends place in the Pocono Mountains who is a so-called audiophile. He had to check his mail so I went with him to the post office and he got a package from some company for him to test (and here it comes) and in the package was a Power Cable, a silver one no less. He turned on his equipment and says “yea it sounds better now” I held my breath, but after he told me he had to brake them in for 40 hours, I just loss it. He told me I didn’t understand the science behind it all, well of course he is the one who believes in the pseudoscience fed to him by to audiophile world. Well now the last time we talked he told me he was selling off most of his top high equipment, and has giver up on the wire changing all the time, he says he is getting to old for that now, yea right, maybe just maybe he finally seen that no matter how many times he changed his wire he was never happy in to long run and would be changing to again, yea right…………….

Paul

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MRC_Hans said:
I can believe that. But then I don't believe that solid state systems need to warm up ;).

Hans
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The system can't adjust itself to external influences because it doesn't have a brain. Everything matters. The whole Universe is the source of the audio system and you need to tweak it. The CD player isn't the source, it is narrow-minded to think it is. It's the AC that makes the component work...It's pretty obvious that the power needs to be clean.

Vibration makes a huge difference as well. The component needs to be floating in air to get neutral sound. That's why I have Magix magnetic levitation feet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dKBIWDKVE8

EMI messes up the gear too, the components inside the chassis interfere with each other so I have separated them with ERS Paper. As a bonus it reduces external EMI.

Ambient temperature makes a huge difference in my system as well. If the room is too warm it sounds so muddy and boomy it is unlistenable. The same is true with a cold room, it sounds bright and edgy with lack of bass and detail.

If you can't hear the improvement from Harvester then you won't be able to hear the difference with other tweaks either. Either the skeptics have really crappy ears or they aren't interested in a properly functioning audio system. They can listen to a damaged system but as long as it measures good with their damaged measuring devices it's good enough for them since they can't hear it anyway.
 
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Paulhoff said:
Yea, a friend of mine buys into that BS, I always lie to him when he would come over by telling him that I had the equipment on all day, the illusion makes him happy, but I still would tell him that it is all BS.
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People like you make this world a worse place. It is evil to stall progression in science by spreading lies. When he realizes that you have lied to him what do you think will happen? It's only a matter of time. After he keeps tweaking his system to make it more revealing he can easily hear if it has been on or off, I promise you that.

Paulhoff said:
Last summer I went north for some family business, and after that I went up to a friends place in the Pocono Mountains who is a so-called audiophile. He had to check his mail so I went with him to the post office and he got a package from some company for him to test (and here it comes) and in the package was a Power Cable, a silver one no less. He turned on his equipment and says “yea it sounds better now” I held my breath, but after he told me he had to brake them in for 40 hours, I just loss it. He told me I didn’t understand the science behind it all, well of course he is the one who believes in the pseudoscience fed to him by to audiophile world. Well now the last time we talked he told me he was selling off most of his top high equipment, and has giver up on the wire changing all the time, he says he is getting to old for that now, yea right, maybe just maybe he finally seen that no matter how many times he changed his wire he was never happy in to long run and would be changing to again, yea right…………….

Paul

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He was right, you don't understand.
 
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