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"This is a Christian country"

EGarrett

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Nothing pushes my buttons like this statement. Whenever I hear someone say this or make some kind of argument along these lines...my blood pressure just goes SKY HIGH. It's so incredibly ignorant and against everything the whole country was founded upon.

Does anyone get exceptionally irritated by this?

(btw, I'm talking about the United States)
 
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Nothing pushes my buttons like this statement. Whenever I hear someone say this or make some kind of argument along these lines...my blood pressure just goes SKY HIGH. It's so incredibly ignorant and against everything the whole country was founded upon.

Does anyone get expectionally irritated by this?

(btw, I'm talking about the United States)
Yes, absolutely I do. Because even though Christians make up a majority, the country, as founded, is decidedly, unmistakenly, NOT Christian. Only those people are.
 
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Even IF the country was founded to be Christian, that certainly doesn't mean it should be today. Secularism is what has allowed the USA to become a superpower. Theocracy will be it's demise.
 
EG,
I couldn't agree more.
From the Constitution of the United States (my favorite book). Article VI, paragraph 3:
"The Senators and Representitives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and Judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States."

The firewall was in place before the First Amendment.

Robert
 
Is the United States a "Christian country"? Yes and No.

If you define "Christian country" as the majority belonging to the Christian religion then yes.

If you define "Christian country" as meaning a country founded on Christianity and being a theocracy then no.

When most people say "Christian country" they mean the latter.
 
Does anyone get exceptionally irritated by this?

(btw, I'm talking about the United States)
I assume you meant, "I'm talking about Citizens and residents of the United States," and the answer is, "Yes, very much so."
 
What's next, are you going to get offended when people point out that the US is a white country, as well?

I assume you meant, "I'm talking about Citizens and residents of the United States," and the answer is, "Yes, very much so."
No, he was clarifying that he was talking about people claiming that the US is a Christian country.
 
Even if you mean "country" in the sense of our population (as opposed to our government), it's still a slightly awkward thing to say, even though it is basically true. Yes, Christianity is a comfortably solid majority and a very important part of the lives of pretty much all Americans past and present, it's only about three-fourths of all Americans according to adherents.com. In a sense, one could say that America is a white nation just as much as it is a Christian nation, as there are even more white Americans than Christian Americans (80% apparently) and whiteness certainly has played a large role in American history.

Sometimes when people say things like that, of course, they are merely stating statistical facts, but to use those terms has a tendency to gloss over the bigger picture. And of course, sometimes (not always, but sometimes) when people gloss over things like that, they have ulterior motives. One should not assume too negative intentions of people, and one should also tolerate a certain amount of political incorrectness about things, but the phrase is certainly problematic.

(Note: I feel that by comparing the phrase to race I may be committing a semi-Godwin, but it's the only good example that comes to mind.)
 
Out of interest, would you rather the USA be predominantly christian like it is or predominantly muslim.
 
Don't care what you believe in. Muslim, Christian, Hindu...I consider them all equally silly.

Context is important in this phrase. If you are saying that Xianity is a majority religion in the US, well, of course. To state something that obvious is nearly unnecessary, unless you're writing an essay for a grade school English class.

If you're implying that the US government ought to be Xian as well with that statement, then I would say you're crossing a very hard line that shouldn't be crossed. It is clearly spelled out that the US government is secular, and was always meant to be.
 
There is a difference between "is" and "should".



How so?

Well, in my opinion, and not answering for another party, I believe it has allowed us to take strides in science and technology that would not be allowable in a theocracy.

But that is simply my opinion.
 
Out of interest, would you rather the USA be predominantly christian like it is or predominantly muslim.


Fallacy. Why are those the only choices offered? They certainly aren't the only choices out there.

I don't play false dichotomies/excluded middles if I can help it. I sometimes can't. But if I had my druthers, I'd druther the citizens of the country stop being so stinking selfish and self-absorbed and give a crap about the people around them simply because there are people around them, for crying out loud, who need someone to give a good crap.

That's what I'd rather see.
 
Out of interest, would you rather the USA be predominantly christian like it is or predominantly muslim.


New Zealand is predominantly secular, and we seem to be doing okay. I'd certainly recommend it to you guys. Give it a try. You might enjoy it... ;)

-Gumboot
 
New Zealand is predominantly secular, and we seem to be doing okay. I'd certainly recommend it to you guys. Give it a try. You might enjoy it... ;)

-Gumboot
I hear that if you order an hamburger in your country, it's been pre-cooked. That's not Christian!
 
Context is important in this phrase. If you are saying that Xianity is a majority religion in the US, well, of course. To state something that obvious is nearly unnecessary, unless you're writing an essay for a grade school English class.

Christianity is the major religion in the US. By far.

If you're implying that the US government ought to be Xian as well with that statement, then I would say you're crossing a very hard line that shouldn't be crossed. It is clearly spelled out that the US government is secular, and was always meant to be.

Do you really equate the United States with the United States government?

Well, in my opinion, and not answering for another party, I believe it has allowed us to take strides in science and technology that would not be allowable in a theocracy.

But that is simply my opinion.

What are you comparing to? Surely not Europe?
 
Out of interest, would you rather the USA be predominantly christian like it is or predominantly muslim.

How about predominately Atheist? It would be much more difficult for a President to claim that he was receiving messages from a "higher source," when sending us to war.
 
Nothing pushes my buttons like this statement. Whenever I hear someone say this or make some kind of argument along these lines...my blood pressure just goes SKY HIGH. It's so incredibly ignorant and against everything the whole country was founded upon.

Does anyone get exceptionally irritated by this?

(btw, I'm talking about the United States)
Want to see something scarey - watch the Borat movie. More particularly, the part where goes into one of those big charismatic churches. One of the speakers is a congressman - I forget who - but it is pretty spooky.
 

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