Of course instead of answering for your own snobbery, you suggest another poster is obsessed with you. Thats not very rational.
Un-like you she is a Christian...I would like to meet her rather than the likes of you any day.
The other theory is the tree limb broke.
I think Blutarsky made a very good point.
You people crack me up so worried about the small things.
Step outside of the box once and see if there is anything to it.
Too much pride I guess?
How to Develop Your Sense of Humor
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FaisonMars
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That's not the biggest contradiction in the story, nor the biggest contradiction in the Bible.
Matthew:
Acts:
Maybe his bowels gushed out when the rope broke, or he was disemboweled (anyone seen the movie "Hannibal?"), but did Judas buy a field with the money he got from the Romans, or not? Or did the priests buy a field in which to bury foreigners? If the Bible is inerrant, why can't they agree on the origin of the name of the "Field of Blood?" Did Judas die there or not? It's not just two stories from different perspectives, there are contradictions. And this is NOT the most blatant.
I'd like to suggest that this ghoulish "medical" scenario isn't factual - dead bodies left hanging do not behave like that, even when cut down.
The second verse quoted would be far more realistic and thus "true" if Judas had jumped from a high place to commit suicide. Say, from the top of a cliff or building (they had plenty of those in and near Jerusalem at the time). However that doesn't gel with the first verse which says he hanged himself.
Who is the lord that now holds the money?
Who is they?
Who they talking about now?
Could this be another Judas that works for The chief priests ?
Could this describe what happens when they throw the body of Judas that betrayed Christ into a grave?
did they leave out one word, Judas was brought?
It's soo easy, believe in Christ and you will know for sure what is truth!
Judas died....
Beleth
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Get over yourself.
The truth is, what came up in Google was the poem by that name, not the short story they were looking for. You came across snobbish and condescending, even when you didn't mean to.
Which, by the way, is my point. When you misinterpret the motives of others, the fault is yours, not theirs. If you see unbridled snobbery and arrogance here, it is because that is what your own mindset has brought to our table.
Hokulele
Deleterious Slab of Damnation
Un-like you she is a Christian...I would like to meet her rather than the likes of you any day.
The other theory is the tree limb broke.
I think Blutarsky made a very good point.
You people crack me up so worried about the small things.
Step outside of the box once and see if there is anything to it.
Too much pride I guess?
OK, if you would prefer a larger issue to deal with, here goes. The main reason I no longer agree with any of the branches of christianity I have had experience with, is that each one of them used the bible as justification for the inferiority of women. OT, NT, take your pick. Don't even get me started on Paul's letters. Although many ancient cultures subscribed to this view, it was rarely codified so explicitly and repeatedly. Gods and goddesses abound in other mythology. Even today, many demoninations refuse to allow women in leadership roles, and worse, if you look at early Catholic doctrine, some members of the church went so far as to declare women had no souls.
As I stated, this has mainly been my experience. I would be interested to see how some of the posters on this forum view the bias and how it is applied in their theology.
ETA: Usually I do have a fairly decent sense of humor (look at some of my responses to DJJ!), but this topic just really annoys me.
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What are mans laws today?
They are the same as gods’ laws. If you obey mans laws you obey Gods laws.
That’s the rule in general.
Backs then the laws were set up for the hunter and the nester.
Everybody is a hunter today and a nester.
I nest sometimes mostly when I'm on this forum.
I like the conversations that woman bring to the table, so we don't follow what they were following in the OT Or the NT.
Those where rough times, especially for woman.
People that try to make their woman adhere to what is described in the OT, or the NT are fools.
I had seen an example of that on a TV. the other night on wife swap.
But there were two examples from one extreme to the other, makes for a good show but I couldn’t deal with either one of the extremes, not in my life.
I couldn’t take a total fanatic bible thumper nor could I take a tattoo freak, there is a happy median.
On here I might sound like a fanatic but in real life I only instruct when the interest is there or a person is curious or when need be.
I hate to see smart people in here that to me appear to be, I don’t want to say it, but lost.
The skeptics are looking at things from a different perspective and are fast, to at least pick up on false teachings, they are in fact what a believer is suppose to spot too.
So in Away there is a reason for them to be what they are.
But I also hope that they can see the light in the least amount of time, to be saved also.
It’s about love not hate.
There’s a few on here that will invoke my mom died because of, ?,. and why didn’t God have some compassion and save the kids or such.
My dad died of a brain tumor and was a believer and never felt that way at all, if anything it was the opposite, he knew Christ so well, he was at ease. He was happy to leave; he knew what was going to happen. He even left my family a sign that he was there.
You ask and I shall tell.
All children are innocent and have a free ticket to god.
I don’t hate him for taking my father because I know that we will see each other again unless I burn.
But then he may only burn the bad off, baptism by fire, which may mean exactly that.
For some of us it may be the only hope.
I’m just as bad as anybody, but you all make me see even better.
You make me work and I appreciate that.
I try to write on here about real life things mostly, because that’s what matters the here and now.
Hokulele I hope this helps?
They are the same as gods’ laws. If you obey mans laws you obey Gods laws.
That’s the rule in general.
Backs then the laws were set up for the hunter and the nester.
Everybody is a hunter today and a nester.
I nest sometimes mostly when I'm on this forum.
I like the conversations that woman bring to the table, so we don't follow what they were following in the OT Or the NT.
Those where rough times, especially for woman.
People that try to make their woman adhere to what is described in the OT, or the NT are fools.
I had seen an example of that on a TV. the other night on wife swap.
But there were two examples from one extreme to the other, makes for a good show but I couldn’t deal with either one of the extremes, not in my life.
I couldn’t take a total fanatic bible thumper nor could I take a tattoo freak, there is a happy median.
On here I might sound like a fanatic but in real life I only instruct when the interest is there or a person is curious or when need be.
I hate to see smart people in here that to me appear to be, I don’t want to say it, but lost.
The skeptics are looking at things from a different perspective and are fast, to at least pick up on false teachings, they are in fact what a believer is suppose to spot too.
So in Away there is a reason for them to be what they are.
But I also hope that they can see the light in the least amount of time, to be saved also.
It’s about love not hate.
There’s a few on here that will invoke my mom died because of, ?,. and why didn’t God have some compassion and save the kids or such.
My dad died of a brain tumor and was a believer and never felt that way at all, if anything it was the opposite, he knew Christ so well, he was at ease. He was happy to leave; he knew what was going to happen. He even left my family a sign that he was there.
You ask and I shall tell.
All children are innocent and have a free ticket to god.
I don’t hate him for taking my father because I know that we will see each other again unless I burn.
But then he may only burn the bad off, baptism by fire, which may mean exactly that.
For some of us it may be the only hope.
I’m just as bad as anybody, but you all make me see even better.
You make me work and I appreciate that.
I try to write on here about real life things mostly, because that’s what matters the here and now.
Hokulele I hope this helps?
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SezMe
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I ask - I can hardly wait.
You ask and I shall tell.
If that satisfies Hokuele then she is worse off than you - but I'm pretty confident I know what her response will be.
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Hokulele
Deleterious Slab of Damnation
What are mans laws today?
They are the same as gods’ laws. If you obey mans laws you obey Gods laws.
That’s the rule in general.
Backs then the laws were set up for the hunter and the nester.
Everybody is a hunter today and a nester.
I nest sometimes mostly when I'm on this forum.
I like the conversations that woman bring to the table, so we don't follow what they were following in the OT Or the NT.
Those where rough times, especially for woman.
People that try to make their woman adhere to what is described in the OT, or the NT are fools.
I try to write on here about real life things mostly, because that’s what matters the here and now.
Yes, this does. Thanks for responding. I clipped it down a bit to highlight a few points. I agree that everybody today is both a hunter and a nester, and that everybody should have a chance to be either or both, regardless of gender. I also agree with you that most people prefer a happy medium. The problem is that the bible is clearly (very clearly) worded another way. If I am to throw out a huge set of rules, conditions, and restrictions based on gender, what other parts of the bible may not apply to modern life? What makes this difficult is there are so many places where it seems easy to say, "Well, that obviously no longer applies." For example, it would be very easy for a person to say something along the lines of "well, if gender discrimination no longer applies, sexual orientation discrimination no longer applies."
Personally, I don't think any one should ever have to endure discrimination for anything whether it be religious beliefs, gender, or sexual orientation. I feel very strongly that everyone should have the opportunities to pursue a career (or not), practice a religion (or not), or choose a partner (or not). Unfortunately, this is not what the bible teaches.
On a side note, it is so refreshing to have a discussion on religion between two people without it having to degenerate to name-calling.
Hokulele
Deleterious Slab of Damnation
Hopefully I didn't disappoint you. I am a skeptic and an atheist, but I don't like to be rude to people (unless someone earns it). Should you be applying for the $1M?
There are signs.
Now you must give me one good honest reason why you want me to tell?
I can e-mail Hokulele or pm her with that information with out you seeing it unless you can give me a good reason why I should post it here.
I'll explane why I ask you this.
SezMe
post-pre-born
Well, you offered and I took you up on the offer. Period. You didn't state that you needed a reason before you would follow through with your offer.
Do explain why you ask.
Hokulele
Deleterious Slab of Damnation
OK, I can accept that some people have received signs. I am not one of them. What about those of us who have never had that experience? Is there some objective way we can read the bible and determine which parts to accept, and which to reject? If not, do we get credit for behaving in a kind and moral manner to all people, even though we were never personally contacted? Sorry to throw so many questions into one post, but one kind of led to the next.
Blutarsky
The actual question from simon dalton was
NIV Acts 1:18 With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. 19Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.
Ossai
Apparently you and RationalReverend share a common reading problem, basic comprehension.
The actual question from simon dalton was
The entire strawman above assumes Judas was already dead.
Let’s check the bible on this. Oops, looks like your wrong again.
NIV Acts 1:18 With the reward he got for his wickedness, Judas bought a field; there he fell headlong, his body burst open and all his intestines spilled out. 19Everyone in Jerusalem heard about this, so they called that field in their language Akeldama, that is, Field of Blood.
Ossai