Dan Wallace vs. Mark Roberts video

[John Blonn]

His inferiority complex because of Gravy's beatdowns is so pathetic (but not unfounded). Mark puts up a (hilarious) avatar with Dylan in it, so what does Dylan do? He puts up an avatar with Mark in it. No mention of the fact that Dylan's avatar is SO PATHETIC - only CTers, in their psychotic world, see any significance in it

 

[Wartrac]

That was beyond horrible, it was almost like they were trying to use him as a prop. I wonder how they would react if it was reversed.......toss dylan or bermas into a room with the NYFD and tell them their thoughts about them being involved in the cover up.

 

[Alt+F4]

Hey Gravy, what time on Saturday does this go on? Is there a particular time or are the woo-woos there all day?

 

[JAStewart]

Hey Gravy, what time on Saturday does this go on? Is there a particular time or are the woo-woos there all day?

Don't they have jobs?

Oh that is their jobs.. profiting off 9.11 victims.

 

[VespaGuy]

I simply implied that Judy Wood wasnt mad and was intentionally discrediting the truth movement.

Am I not allowed to think that Judy is doing it intentionally?

Its clear shes acting. The way she makes up something more outrageous in each interview, the way her and Reynolds teamed up to discredit Jones. Jones is talking bull aswell but I believe he is genuine.

The whole 911researchers site is disinfo.

Every truther believes that their pet theory is the capital-T Truth and all others are disinfo. But I've yet to see evidence that these others are any less convinced of their own theory.

Aphelion, can you please explain the difference between someone who passionately (yet mistakenly) believes a ridiculous theory that differs from yours, and someone who is intentionally trying to discredit the 'truth' by promoting a ridiculous theory?

 

[CurtC]

Aphelion, can you please explain the difference between someone who passionately (yet mistakenly) believes a ridiculous theory that differs from yours, and someone who is intentionally trying to discredit the 'truth' by promoting a ridiculous theory?

In Aphelion's defense here, I think the only difference is intent. Since there is no way for us to objectively evaluate what's in their heads, none of us (including Aphelion) can tell the difference between a loon and a disinfo agent.

Except that, a disinfo agent would be employed by the big bad guys, so Aphelion could provide evidence that any of these people is being paid for the stupid stuff they say. Got that evidence, Aphelion?

 

[Oliver]

Hey Gravy, what time on Saturday does this go on? Is there a particular time or are the woo-woos there all day?

This is from their Website:

http://ny911truth.org/

If you feel compelled to help the cause of spreading 9/11 truth, join us at Ground Zero on Saturdays from 1:00 to 4:00, weather permitting. Always check our Hotline at 212-714-7147 on Saturday morning to verify if we'll be there. We meet near the PATH station on the corner of Church and Fulton Streets. Look for our banner. This is a regular educational event where the public gets the facts and learns about serious questions which have been suppressed by the government and media. If you want to create widespread awareness of the true crimes of 9/11, this is how!

 

[pgwenthold]

His inferiority complex because of Gravy's beatdowns is so pathetic (but not unfounded). Mark puts up a (hilarious) avatar with Dylan in it, so what does Dylan do? He puts up an avatar with Mark in it.

Exactly. It's a case of "I know you are but what am I?"

Gravy has provided a case that the activities of Avery (and others) is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. So instead of addressing it, Avery spends his life trying to show that it's Gravy who is the disrespectful one, so he can say, "I'm not disrespectful, HE'S disrespectful."

It's all just a 4th grade response.

 

[twinstead]

In Aphelion's defense here, I think the only difference is intent. Since there is no way for us to objectively evaluate what's in their heads, none of us (including Aphelion) can tell the difference between a loon and a disinfo agent.

Heck, I have an imagination, I could even imagine how somebody on an anonymous forum could be a disinfo agent, but a public person? Who in their right mind would risk professional embarrassment and ridicule by his or her peers by spouting garbage as a paid government shill?

If I were a professional scientist it would sure take a lot of money to say things that made my colleagues think I was an idiot. It could even lead me to loose my job.

"The Man" must pay well.

 

[ref]

Uh. I finally had a chance to watch it. That was close to a vicious attack. No disrespect to Dan, Gravy told what was the deal with him. Luke needs to learn. Luke, learn and listen. And keep your mouth shut for a while. Keep up your good work Mark.

 

[VespaGuy]

In Aphelion's defense here, I think the only difference is intent. Since there is no way for us to objectively evaluate what's in their heads, none of us (including Aphelion) can tell the difference between a loon and a disinfo agent.

That's pretty much my point. Unless Aphelion can prove 'intent', the reasonable assumption is that each one of these 'truthers' truly believes their own pet theory.

Except that, a disinfo agent would be employed by the big bad guys, so Aphelion could provide evidence that any of these people is being paid for the stupid stuff they say. Got that evidence, Aphelion?

Don't hold your breath...

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

Exactly. It's a case of "I know you are but what am I?"

Gravy has provided a case that the activities of Avery (and others) is disrespectful to victims of 9/11. So instead of addressing it, Avery spends his life trying to show that it's Gravy who is the disrespectful one, so he can say, "I'm not disrespectful, HE'S disrespectful."

It's all just a 4th grade response.

And a big difference is, when Mark points out Twoofers' behavior, he is appealing to them to change how they act. Even if Mark was acting disrespectful (which he wastn't); what Dylan is attempting to do is argumentum ad hominem tu quoque, he is not appeal to Mark to change his behavior, but is trying to discredit Mark's claims by attacking his (claimed) behavior.

 

[rebecca]

Great job, Binglybert. It's amazing that any 9/11 conspiracy theorist could look at that and say, "Yes, we definitely came out on top there." The delusion runs deep.

 

[realitybites]

Maybe I missed something in the video where Mark disrespected Dan in some way, but what I did see was him stop the conversation and take the time to introduce himself to Dan and shake his hand.

Now everybody close your eyes and imagine the likes of Alex Jones or Dylan Avery doing the same thing.

Mhm.

 

[pomeroo]

Killing Lots of Birds With One Stone

[=Gravy;2369954]So Jim Fetzer is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Nico Haupt is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Killtown is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Ace Baker is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Judy Cunningham is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Rick Siegel is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Where do you draw the line, Aphelion? What are your criteria?

I just had a thought. Jon Gold has been running a tremendous drive to raise money for first-responders. After months of prodigious effort, he had amassed a pile of cash that would have made Scrooge McDuck envious. That same prodigious effort, however, had left him rather hungry, and so he dipped into the boodle for lunch money. That act, sad to relate, brought the total amount raised back to zero.

Now, here's my sunburst: why doesn't the Twoof Movement change its name to the Screen Actors Guild? The dues collected could be given to first-responders, all the suspected actors would now be Real Actors, and everybody would get the chance to rub shoulders with Charlie Sheen, which, in turn, could lead to actual encounters with live prostitutes. For most twoofers, tired of wondering if there might be more to sex than huffing and puffing to inflate the plastic Love Doll, the appeal of the proposal should be obvious.

 

[chipmunk stew]

Maybe I missed something in the video where Mark disrespected Dan in some way, but what I did see was him stop the conversation and take the time to introduce himself to Dan and shake his hand.

Now everybody close your eyes and imagine the likes of Alex Jones or Dylan Avery doing the same thing.

Mhm.

Since all opinions are equal, objective disagreement is the same thing as personal disrespect...right?

 

[Lucas]

Well it may not be rock solid proof of insanity, but it is at least fairly compelling circumstantial evidence:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-558096240694803017

Oh my God. This is hilarious. This woman is just... Completely out of the loop, she is really missing quite a few screws. Really, she believes is! You can tell, just by looking at her face, that she's struggling with herself to try and understand the concepts that are thrown at her, even though she doesn't have a single clue. I laughed through the whole video. And I thought there was a lot of similarities between this woman and MaGZ, don't you think?

I laughed also when I looked at the Dan VS Mark video, because Dan didn't have a clue. Unfortunately for Dan, he wasted his last years on this earth following a train of thought that was completely wrong, and he never gave anyone the chance to set him straight. It's too bad Dylan decided to put up the video showing the last demise of his faithful follower. It shows just how much respect he has.

I feel sorry for him, as well as all the other twoothers who don't have a clue.

 

[Wartrac]

"If you feel compelled to help the cause of spreading 9/11 truth, join us at Ground Zero on Saturdays from 1:00 to 4:00, weather permitting."

There is nothing more important that the truth movement nothing will stop us!!1!!1.....well unless it rains. Oh and we have to do it after lunch and before dinner.



One of these days I'm going to drive down there from Boston. I haven't been to NYC since St. Pats day of last year......

 

[CHF]

How about you open a thread and present your evidence that she is mentally ill? Make sure to include evidence that everyone who is also spouting space beams is mentally ill.

Beam weapons from space! C'mon, kid - you can't be sane and believe that. Impossible.

 

[CHF]

I guess ol' Dylan has to post this debate because, hey - it's not like he can post HIS OWN debate with Mark.

I mean damn - Dylan was basically not even there.

He only chimed in to tell the world that nothing would falsify his beliefs.