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Dan Wallace vs. Mark Roberts video

Around here, it's put up or shut up. Start a new thread and present your evidence that Judy Wood is working to discredit the "truth" movement. You won't, because you don't have any such evidence.


How about you open a thread and present your evidence that she is mentally ill? Make sure to include evidence that everyone who is also spouting space beams is mentally ill.

This forum is to discuss conspiracy theories in a friendly and lively way. It is not your forum to tell people that they must open a thread to present evidence for their opinion.

Am I not allowed to think that Judy is doing it intentionally? If I am not then I want your rock solid evidence that she is mentally ill.

P.S. If the attacks continue I will send a compilation of your work to James Randi himself.
 
How about you open a thread and present your evidence that she is mentally ill? Make sure to include evidence that everyone who is also spouting space beams is mentally ill.

Evidence? This is a case where a woman is warping reality in her mind to fit her world view. That is practically the very definition of mental illness. Sorry bub, some things are just plain apparent.

This forum is to discuss conspiracy theories in a friendly and lively way. It is not your forum to tell people that they must open a thread to present evidence for their opinion.

You make an accusation, you have to back it up. 'He/She's a shill' has become a standard defense mechanism for the trooth movement to handwave away all of their embarassing members, which is a large number of them.

Am I not allowed to think that Judy is doing it intentionally?

Sure your allowed, and we are allowed to laugh at such a simplistic and unsupported idea.

If I am not then I want your rock solid evidence that she is mentally ill.

Look up 'burden of proof' some time, please.

P.S. If the attacks continue I will send a compilation of your work to James Randi himself.

James Randi is not your mommy.
 
I have seen him be respectful.

Did it occur to you that maybe his remarks about you talking to a doctor about your beliefs were actually intended to be helpful? It may be that you actually are paranoid and that seeking help might be what you should do for your own good?

Anyway he doesn't need me to defend him, so I'll shut up now.


See a doctor about my beliefs? What do you think he would prescribe for someone who thinks that Judy Wood doesnt believe the things she says?

Its clear shes acting. The way she makes up something more outrageous in each interview, the way her and Reynolds teamed up to discredit Jones. Jones is talking bull aswell but I believe he is genuine.
 
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P.S. If the attacks continue I will send a compilation of your work to James Randi himself.
Aphelion. If you believe a post has violated forum rules, use the REPORT button. That will notify the moderators who will do whatever they believe appropriate (including the possibility of doing nothing if they feel there was no violation). James Randi does not do much with the forum. If you wish to send him and email, by all means do so. But don't be surprised if you are ignored.

CT

PS - Go Mark!
PPS - I can now say I have posted in the Conspiracy forum. Another life goal checked off. :D
 
See a doctor about my beliefs? What do you think he would prescribe for someone who thinks that Judy Wood doesnt believe the things she says?

Its clear shes acting. The way she makes up something more outrageous in each interview, the way her and Reynolds teamed up to discredit Jones. Jones is talking bull aswell but I believe he is genuine.
If I had to plan a disinfo-agent for the Truth Movement, he would look much more like Steven Jones than Judy Wood.

And I agree with you that Steven Jones is talking bull and is genuine.
 
Dylan Avery has posted this video in his blog. Titled Dan vs. Mark.
Here's the deal: on a Saturday in December I was leaving Ground Zero for the day and was running late. I had had a very good day of debunking there. Luke and a couple of truther friends ran after me and stopped me, with Luke saying , "Look, look, family member! Tell it to a family member!"

Disgraceful. As if I have a problem talking to victims of 9/11.

The guy is Dan Wallace, who I had seen once before at Ground Zero. He died unexpectedly a few weeks ago. Dan's argument was that the official version of the tower collapses is wrong, that they couldn't have collapsed without help from explosives. I asked him what the official version of the collapses was.

Like all the other "truth seekers" at Ground Zero, Dan had no idea what the official version was. You can also hear Luke, the cameraman, interrupting with "They keep changing it!" although NIST's explanation of the collapses hasn't changed since 2004, and although Luke still has no idea what the official version is.

Neither of them will let me explain what the official version is. That's typical.

A week or two later, Dan was at Ground Zero again. Again someone shouted "Family member! Tell it to a family member!" I picked up one of their posters that claims that 9 of the hijackers are still alive and said, "This is what they think of you. They claim that the people who killed your father are innocent." After that, Dan and I had a good talk. He complained that Larry Silverstein brought down building 7 in order to profit from the insurance. I explained in detail what the insurance and rebuilding arrangements were. He hadn't heard those things before. Dan was a good listener when not being egged on by his "friends." I gave him a flyer with links to accurate information and my email address. Luke filmed that conversation from a distance. I bet you won't see it on youtube.

Dan was very sincere and emotional, but he was very poorly informed, and his "friends" didn't help him get the facts straight. I was glad to have the chance to do so.

So, now Avery posts that video clip on LC and asks "Isn't this disrespecting a victim" or somesuch. Remember, they chased me down in order to throw a victim in my face.

After Avery was roundly criticized on his own forum for posting the video, he reverted to "Luke told me to post it."

What despicable cowards.
 
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Its clear shes acting. The way she makes up something more outrageous in each interview, the way her and Reynolds teamed up to discredit Jones. Jones is talking bull aswell but I believe he is genuine.
So Jim Fetzer is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Nico Haupt is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Killtown is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Ace Baker is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Judy Cunningham is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Rick Siegel is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Where do you draw the line, Aphelion? What are your criteria?
 
So Jim Fetzer is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Nico Haupt is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Killtown is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Ace Baker is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Judy Cunningham is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Rick Siegel is an actor who's out to discredit the "Truth movement?"

Where do you draw the line, Aphelion? What are your criteria?

Notice the above people are all working together. All of their sites link and dont link to other sites. The whole 911researchers site is disinfo. Thats my opinion, i'm not asking you to agree.
 
Notice the above people are all working together. All of their sites link and dont link to other sites. The whole 911researchers site is disinfo. Thats my opinion, i'm not asking you to agree.

Scholarse for lies don't link to killtown do they?

Notice the above people are all working together. All of their sites link and dont link to other sites. The whole 911researchers site is disinfo. Thats my opinion, i'm not asking you to agree.

Thats an accusation. Why is that your opinion?

Gravy said:
What despicable cowards.

Agreed. Thanks for the explanation.
 
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Thanks Gravy for your thorough explanation of events.
 
Notice the above people are all working together. All of their sites link and dont link to other sites. The whole 911researchers site is disinfo. Thats my opinion, i'm not asking you to agree.
All working together? Haupt works with Wood & Reynolds? Killtown works with Haupt? Baker works with Killtown? Cunningham works with any of them? You don't advance your argument by making things up. I took a look at one person's links.

Stop making things up, Aphelion.
 
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Scholarse for lies don't link to killtown do they?

I checked it. They do link to Killtowns Blog.

About Dan Wallace: I think it was disrespectful to post this Video
saying Gravy is insulting the victims because you don't use footage
from dead people to make a personal point. Especiallly after all the
bad comments i heard from Dylan himself about the victims.

"Luke said so" is an immature excuse - and he knows that, too.
 
Here is how they discussed this video on LC forum. Very immature.

http://z10.invisionfree.com/Loose_Change_Forum/index.php?showtopic=4219&st=0

Dylan Avery collection:

"Doesn't this qualify as disrespecting the family members?"

Excuse me? Then someone gave him critic. His response:

"This post isn't about me, jackass. Nice dodge, and first post. And you people wonder why you're banned on sight."

Ban threats immediately.

"Luke told me to post this. So I did."

And my favorite:

"Okay, so, essentially, you came here to curse and insult, instead of talk like adults. You've got one more chance."

He whines others can not talk like adults, then threatens with a ban. Dylan, take a look in the mirror.

He gets one thing right though, maybe for the first time ever ever.

"Regardless of what you think about Mark, he's good."
 
Mark has spoken to me twice on this forum. The second time he spoke to me he accused me of taking drugs, called me paranoid and said I need to see a doctor. Then made a joke about my username. He also did that in his first post to pme.

Do you know what I said to deserve that tirade? I simply implied that Judy Wood wasnt mad and was intentionally discrediting the truth movement. Mark does not know how to be respectful.
Hasty generalisation

This fallacy is often called the converse accident because it is the opposite to the fallacy of accident above; that is, it involves moving too quickly from the specific to the general. For example:
Some murders are committed by men, so if we locked away all males there would be no more murders.
If we replace "murder" by any other social ill and "men" by a minority group, we can see that we have the kind of argument that has historically been used to justify organized or individual violence against them. The fallacy lies in making a general rule of a few particular cases, hence the hasty generalization. In this case, we need only find a single counter-example to show that the general claim is false, such as a murder by a female.

Another example could be as follows:
My friend lied to me, so it just goes to show that you can never trust anyone.
As before, the single specific instance of a friend lying has been used to justify a general rule that all friends (or indeed anyone at all) are liars. One or more friends who are not liars would serve as counter-examples to defeat the claim. To avoid the hasty generalization we have to be careful not to come up with a general rule from too few particular cases.
http://www.galilean-library.org/int16.html#hasty_generalisation

oh, and I call :socks:
 
God, the more I think about it, Avery is despicable.

Clearly he placed this movie on his blog to try to "discredit" Mark by showing how "insensitive" Mark was to this (9/11) family member who recently passed away (RIP by the way).

Awful. First, they mislead their buddy into believing insane conspiracy theories, and now in death he is a tool in their campaign to discredit those who try to defend the truth of that day. Sick. Absolutely sick.
 
So, now Avery posts that video clip on LC and asks "Isn't this disrespecting a victim" or somesuch. Remember, they chased me down in order to throw a victim in my face.

Thankfully, this is pretty much evident in the video, and rational people will see that.
 
God, the more I think about it, Avery is despicable.

Clearly he placed this movie on his blog to try to "discredit" Mark by showing how "insensitive" Mark was to this (9/11) family member who recently passed away (RIP by the way).

Awful. First, they mislead their buddy into believing insane conspiracy theories, and now in death he is a tool in their campaign to discredit those who try to defend the truth of that day. Sick. Absolutely sick.

Personal attacks is the last resort for people who don't have anything to say.

Avery is at the point of no return.
 

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