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Simple Challenge For Bigfoot Supporters

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kitakaze said:
You, sir, have apparently not seen 'Meet the Parents'. That cat could flush.....
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I saw that footage just yesterday. Sure the cat could flush, but did he actually USE the toilet? Aha! I have you there!

I confess that I'm only a little more afraid of mountain lions than I am of Bigfeet.

Bigfeet cultists, now, make me more than a tad nervous. Hell, if you can believe in that, what's stopping you from listening to The Voices and going on a cuttin' and blastin' rampage?

YES, GODDAMMIT, I'M KIDDING! I AM MAKING A J-O-K-E!

I don't want to go where Hunster went.
 
Slightly off-topic, but...

Cryptozoologists are supposed to have a minimal knoweledge of zoology, aren't they?

So, how is this possible?
From
http://www.cryptomundo.com/bigfoot-report/russian-plesiosaur2/
The photographs to me do not look like a plesiosaur carcass. They do, however, look crocodilian in nature.
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Some of the bloggers correctly noticed, its a odontoceti, but the "cryptozoologist" say it "looks crodilian"!!!!

What's this?
Ignorance?
An attempt to "spice things up"?

And these folks still complain about not being taken seriously by mainstream science...
 
William Parcher said:
Yep, and that's why people other than Bigfooters don't go out looking for Bigfoot - let alone using public funds to do it.
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If someone brings in a body or a sizeable chunk of one, the funding will be forthcoming.

No one's using public funds for this now are they?

If Queen Isabella had had an attitude like that we might not be here discussing this.
 
LAL said:
There are several privately funded efforts going on, but with a no-kill policy it's not likely they'll be the ones to bring in a corpse any time soon.
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They are likely to find biological specimens if they go where Bigfoot lives. There should be DNA to be found in beds or nests, on things they have handled or eaten, and of course in a dead body or part. Is Bigfoot possibly immortal? I'm asking that because we can find dead bears, cougars, chimps, dolphins and even humans.

Bigfoot don't ever die or get kilt by anything.
 
William Parcher said:
They are likely to find biological specimens if they go where Bigfoot lives. There should be DNA to be found in beds or nests, on things they have handled or eaten, and of course in a dead body or part.
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And tooth marks to be analyzed.
Is Bigfoot possibly immortal? I'm asking that because we can find dead bears, cougars, chimps, dolphins and even humans.

Bigfoot don't ever die or get kilt by anything.
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Says who?

"Straw man

The straw man fallacy is when you misrepresent someone else's position so that it can be attacked more easily, knock down that misrepresented position, then conclude that the original position has been demolished. It's a fallacy because it fails to deal with the actual arguments that have been made."

How many bodies of bears, e.g., that have died of natural causes have been found?
 
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LAL said:
You seem to have misunderstood my point.
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No, you misunderstand that animals other than Bigfoot are confirmable - firstly in their existence, and secondly in their presence.

The individual territory for a lone male may be about like the range for a wolverine. How easy are they to track?
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You cut your own throat again. Wolverines are a piece of cake to track in the winter. You only have to go where they live. You can find them in other seasons by baiting or hanging around a carcass. You can see lots of clear photos and films of wolverines.

It's an unidentified North American hominid primate-nothing more, nothing less-with nothing uncanny about it.
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Wrong again, Lu. It's an animal that has avoided confirmation like none other. That ability and/or luck is uncanny and unexplicable. That fact should smell like coffee to you when you wake up in the morning, but it don't.
 
Perhaps Bigfoot has a concrete skeleton, easily eroded by seasonal precipitation and freeze-thaw weathering processes.
 
LAL said:
Where they're (cougars) in balance with their environment, they're seldom seen. (Around here they seem to be seen by just about everyone but the officials who are still denying there are any in the area.)
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Do you believe that there are cougars living in North Carolina?
 
LAL said:
Except for a few "monster hunts" such as occured around Fouke, Arkansas, there haven't been too many attempts to hunt and destoy sasquatches. The individual territory for a lone male may be about like the range for a wolverine. How easy are they to track?
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Your statement seems to disregard the fact that there is plenty of activity and scientific searches for other things in areas where bigfoot is reported. Not to mention it's not exactly apt to try and compare bigfoot to one of the known 84 species of mammals of North America. Especially one that does get hit by cars.
 
William Parcher said:
No, you misunderstand that animals other than Bigfoot are confirmable - firstly in their existence, and secondly in their presence.
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There have been quite a few new species identified in recent decades. Those Vietnamese mammals weren't exactly small.

Sasquatches are confirmable. It just takes interest and money to fund long-term investigation. This really should have been done in the late '60's, but wasn't.

You cut your own throat again. Wolverines are a piece of cake to track in the winter. You only have to go where they live. You can find them in other seasons by baiting or hanging around a carcass. You can see lots of clear photos and films of wolverines.
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Especially from zoos.

They were thought to be extinct in the southern Cascades but weren't; they're reported but unconfirmed in several states now. Their tendency to raid cabins made them an animal worthy of destruction and they're trappable.

Individual males may have territories of 240 sq. mi..

Wrong again, Lu. It's an animal that has avoided confirmation like none other. That ability and/or luck is uncanny and unexplicable. That fact should smell like coffee to you when you wake up in the morning, but it don't.
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Do we really need to talk about smells? Whatever that is, it's not coffee.
 
LAL said:
How many bodies of bears, e.g., that have died of natural causes have been found?
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Lots of them, Lu. You should try to escape from your bumpkin knowledge and logic by studying wildlife ecology science and how scientists comes to know what they know. The only way that bear biologists can list the ways that bears die naturally is to examine and evaluate found carcasses. They sometimes even witness the death in real time. That is ROUTINE field biology. The total number of found dead bears could probably be tallied with some effort. That number really only matters to somebody who thinks like you do.

Because of found dead bears we know that they succumb naturally by...

1) Disease or poisoning.
2) Fatal accidents.
3) Killed by other bears. Cubs are especially vulnerable and are found dead and often partially eaten.

That list puts aside deaths caused by humans (i.e. shot, trapped, roadkilled, etc.)
 
Big Les said:
Perhaps Bigfoot has a concrete skeleton, easily eroded by seasonal precipitation and freeze-thaw weathering processes.
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Oh, now I see!!!!

Nope, not concrete, but cartilage instead of actual bones!!!

This guy
http://www.cryptozoology.com/forum/topic_view_thread.php?tid=6&pid=425243
Says:

My theory is that some dinos survived, and somehow, their bones turned cartilaganeous, so the skelatal structure decayed faster and fossil record was lost, therefore hididng a realization of their existence from human minds until people actually dared to venture into remote places that could only be attempted with advanced equipment, dino land.
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I propose bigfeet have "cartilaganeous" skeletons, that's why their skeletal remains are never found!!! And "only when people actually dared to venture into remote places that could only be attempted with advanced equipment", bigfoot land, the PNW, they will be found!
 
How many more times shall we read the fallacious mantra "bigfeet are not found because scientists are not looking for them"?
 
kitakaze said:
There are plenty of people using public funds to conduct searches and studies of things in areas where bigfoot is reported. So far, no bigfoot.
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Diurnal wildcats, e.g.?

A researcher friend and I checked out an area of a possible sighting in North Carolina last summer. On one side of the mountain we were assured the deer had been hunted out and there are no longer any deer in the area. On the other side of the mountain we were assured the deer are so numerous they block the schoolbus.

On both sides of the mountain we were told there are mountain lions in the area. This was nowhere near the Great Smokies, BTW.

http://www.dlia.org/atbi/species/animals/vertebrates/mammals/felidae/Puma_concolor.shtml

The author of Memoirs of a Geisha talked about a snail's eye view of the world. Don't we all have that in some way?
 
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LAL said:
There have been quite a few new species identified in recent decades. Those Vietnamese mammals weren't exactly small.
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The legacy of those animals is nothing like Bigfoot. The cult of Cryptozoology innoculates its followers with the idea that they match, and that Bigfoot (insert any other fantastic cryptic if you wish) is pretty much just like any other animal.

Sasquatches are confirmable. It just takes interest and money to fund long-term investigation. This really should have been done in the late '60's, but wasn't.
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But if there is no Bigfoot, it will not and cannot ever be done.

Especially from zoos.
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The best shots and footage are from the wild. The internet has them available for your viewing pleasure.

They were thought to be extinct in the southern Cascades but weren't; they're reported but unconfirmed in several states now. Their tendency to raid cabins made them an animal worthy of destruction and they're trappable. Individual males may have territories of 240 sq. mi.
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We know those things because they are readily observable and trackable in the wild.
 
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