Ah, the difference in cultures...

[pipelineaudio]

yes! lets emulate brasil!

Quick, everyone grab your guns, run out in the streets and shutdown major cities for a few days

 

[CFLarsen]

yes! lets emulate brasil!

Quick, everyone grab your guns, run out in the streets and shutdown major cities for a few days

So, you are saying that there is a direct link between nudity on TV and crime in the streets?

One causes the other, or the other way around?

 

[HarryKeogh]

A Google search does not constitute evidence.

You would never accept such a response from me. So why should I accept it from you?

Do a little research. It won't kill you.

Personally, I think that it was planned. Why on Earth would you use this nipple-thingie, if her nipple was going to be covered by a bra anyway? Who wears these thingies under the bra

huh?

But even in this case, the different reaction is striking: An accidental half-exposed nipple causing a major uproar. A tapasexo accidentally dropped, causing a smile.

I guess saying "accidental" earlier made us Americans seem even more prudish by responding to such an "accident" in an uproar.

Maybe that's why no one ever knows what you're talking about. When you're not moving goalposts your changing your opinions hour to hour. Why would you say accidental earlier when now you think it was planned?

 

[CFLarsen]

Do a little research. It won't kill you.

It hasn't so far. But surely, you agree that a Google search does not constitute evidence?

Or do you think that referring to Google should be accepted as a response here? When we challenge woos for evidence of their claims, they can merely refer to Google, and you will be satisfied?

huh?

I think Timberlake and Jackson planned for the garment to come all off. However, I can't prove it, and we have to go with what they said later on.

I guess saying "accidental" earlier made us Americans seem even more prudish by responding to such an "accident" in an uproar.

Maybe that's why no one ever knows what you're talking about. When you're not moving goalposts your changing your opinions hour to hour. Why would you say accidental earlier when now you think it was planned?

When you are done with your personal grievances, perhaps you could dredge up some evidence that nipples are allowed on CBS, NBC and ABC?

 

[Number Six]

The hubbub over nipplegate had much less to do with nipples and much more to do with when and where it was exposed. It wasn't what was shown but rather the difference between what was shown and what people expected to be shown. People have expectations of what they'll see during the Super Bowl, which is the biggest TV event in the country and is watched by kids and adults alike, and then when they get nipplegate instead the adults feel betrayed, as in "It's hard enough to get a handle on what my kids will see without them suddenly changing the rules on me." Sure, the skin exposure was part of it, but a much larger part of it was people feeling their trust had been violated IMO.

 

[CFLarsen]

The hubbub over nipplegate had much less to do with nipples and much more to do with when and where it was exposed. It wasn't what was shown but rather the difference between what was shown and what people expected to be shown. People have expectations of what they'll see during the Super Bowl, which is the biggest TV event in the country and is watched by kids and adults alike, and then when they get nipplegate instead the adults feel betrayed, as in "It's hard enough to get a handle on what my kids will see without them suddenly changing the rules on me." Sure, the skin exposure was part of it, but a much larger part of it was people feeling their trust had been violated IMO.

That leads back to my question: Where, on CBS, NBC and ABC, are nipples allowed?



...."adults" are "betrayed" and have their "trust" "violated", fearing for the future of their kids, by seeing a half-covered nipple? What kind of prudish mindset is that?

Thanks for making my point!

 

[Grammatron]

CFL is wrong as always, what a shocker.

 

[Darat]

It's a slight aside but I watch some USA "medical" documentaries on the various satellite channels over here and I was watching one about female breast cancer and it followed one women through her treatment (partial mastectomy radiotherapy and re-constructive surgery).

Whenever she was begin examined by the doctors and her breast was on display they would show everything but fuzz out her nipples.

What was really gobsmacking to me was that they did the same when they were showing the actual operation! So they were showing incisions, blood, the extraction of the tumour and breast tissue but still fuzzing out the nipple. And then they did the same during the re-construction surgery. Now I found that quite bizarre.

 

[Number Six]

That leads back to my question: Where, on CBS, NBC and ABC, are nipples allowed?



...."adults" are "betrayed" and have their "trust" "violated", fearing for the future of their kids, by seeing a half-covered nipple? What kind of prudish mindset is that?

Thanks for making my point!

Well, somebody had to.

I don't know if nipples are allowed on CBS, NBC and ABC or not and I'm don't know why it matters. You can get all the nudity you want pretty much anywhere in western civilization anyway. Does it really matter if it's on free TV or pay TV or the Internet or cell phones?

And whether someone should fear seeing half-covered nipples on TV is one thing whereas trust betrayal is another. The people complaining about the nipple knew that nipples could be seen in lots of places by kids already. It's not like they were mad because their kids had been exposed to nipples in the media for the first time. They were pissed that it was sprung on them unexpectedly and I can't really blame them.

If they started showing nipples on this board then would people get pissed? Yes. Is it because they don't want to see nipples anywhere? No. This board has a known set of rules and people know what to expect and changing things suddenly is bound to bring a reaction.

 

[Skeptic]

The reason people complained was not the nipple being shown, it's because it was shown during the superbowl. It's the same reason people who have no problem with nudity on TV at night, or on cable TV, would object to nudity during morning children's television.

P.S.

Knwoing America, I find it incredible that anybody would seriously suggest the "problem" with American society is that Americans are sexually repressed and prudish. If anything, it's hard to avoid nudity on the media in America.

 

[CFLarsen]

CFL is wrong as always, what a shocker.

I have seen no evidence that I am wrong. What a shocker.

It's a slight aside but I watch some USA "medical" documentaries on the various satellite channels over here and I was watching one about female breast cancer and it followed one women through her treatment (partial mastectomy radiotherapy and re-constructive surgery).

Whenever she was begin examined by the doctors and her breast was on display they would show everything but fuzz out her nipples.

What was really gobsmacking to me was that they did the same when they were showing the actual operation! So they were showing incisions, blood, the extraction of the tumour and breast tissue but still fuzzing out the nipple. And then they did the same during the re-construction surgery. Now I found that quite bizarre.

"Bizarre". That's the word I was looking for.

There is no way you could get sexually aroused by watching this (unless you are a wacko). And yet, they had to fuzz it out.

Bizarre indeed.

Well, somebody had to.

I don't know if nipples are allowed on CBS, NBC and ABC or not and I'm don't know why it matters. You can get all the nudity you want pretty much anywhere in western civilization anyway. Does it really matter if it's on free TV or pay TV or the Internet or cell phones?

Yes, it does. Because that's where you really can tell how relaxed - or the opposite - your society is about sex.

What is so undermining in showing a nipple? Even a half-covered one?

And whether someone should fear seeing half-covered nipples on TV is one thing whereas trust betrayal is another. The people complaining about the nipple knew that nipples could be seen in lots of places by kids already. It's not like they were mad because their kids had been exposed to nipples in the media for the first time. They were pissed that it was sprung on them unexpectedly and I can't really blame them.

"Sprung on them unexpectedly"? Gee, it isn't as if the viewers had to endure, oh, dunno... People getting shot to death, on prime time live TV.

........oh.

If they started showing nipples on this board then would people get pissed? Yes. Is it because they don't want to see nipples anywhere? No. This board has a known set of rules and people know what to expect and changing things suddenly is bound to bring a reaction.

That's a whole different ballgame.

 

[CFLarsen]

The reason people complained was not the nipple being shown, it's because it was shown during the superbowl. It's the same reason people who have no problem with nudity on TV at night, or on cable TV, would object to nudity during morning children's television.

Could you explain what is so undermining in people seeing a half-covered nipple?

What are the consequences on society as a whole?

 

[CFLarsen]

Knwoing America, I find it incredible that anybody would seriously suggest the "problem" with American society is that Americans are sexually repressed and prudish. If anything, it's hard to avoid nudity on the media in America.

You are either joking or seriously deluded.

 

[ConspiRaider]

That leads back to my question: Where, on CBS, NBC and ABC, are nipples allowed?

...."adults" are "betrayed" and have their "trust" "violated", fearing for the future of their kids, by seeing a half-covered nipple? What kind of prudish mindset is that?

Thanks for making my point!

Hi CFL -

I'm a Yank, certainly like America in a general sort of way, but I side with you on this. We're prudes - or enough of us are to make a difference.

Has anyone brought up something rather obvious? We've got KIDDIES watching fully grown, steroid-inflated men bashing into each other at full speed. Where, if 2 or 3 of these giant men can get to the rather unprotected, lightly-padded quarterback and slam him to the ground - maybe even on his head - they get to DANCE in jubilation and the crowd ROARS its approval.

But then of course we have to shade the eyes of the KIDDIES if that thing they spent their first 6 months or a year sucking on for nourishment is somehow revealed to them once again on the TeeVee. Let me see if I got this:

1. Up to the age of one or two, a human can see and have its way with a female nipple.

2. From two to eighteen, it is horribly shameful and wrong and decadent and harmful and destructive to even catch a glimpse of a female nipple.

3. From eighteen on, it's still shameful and everything, but maybe at least it won't warp a human's brain to view a female nipple.

Has anyone ever pointed out that on the planet Earth, with all of its millions of animal species through the eons, we humans are the ONLY species to be ashamed of our own naked bodies? Every other species - even the kiddies, of all ages - are "allowed" to see everybody else buck nekkid, and it has absolutely no deleterious effect on that species. When should we intelligent humans stop being so deliberately stupid in this area?

Sheez. Protect the kiddies from the nipple. But let them watch the blitz, the sack, the gang tackle, the unsportsmanlike conduct, the facemask grab, the hard hits, the taunting, the dance over the vanquished, the...

 

[Skeptic]

You are either joking or seriously deluded.

Well, for the record: I've been over a decade of my life in the USA. How long have you been there?

 

[Skibum]

The carnival in Rio is shown on national TV, on the non-paid-for channels. It's comparatively as big - probably bigger - than the Superbowl. We are comparing TV coverage of the two events.

Please provide evidence that the incident from the OP was televised.

 

[Ziggurat]

Please provide evidence that the incident from the OP was televised.

OK, I think this has been the best post of this thread.

 

[CFLarsen]

Well, for the record: I've been over a decade of my life in the USA. How long have you been there?

Long enough to have witnessed not one nipple on either CBS, NBC or ABC. But a lot of fuzzed out ones.

Please provide evidence that the incident from the OP was televised.

The Carnaval is televised by Globo, and probably all the other major networks. There are lots of nipples there.

Can you name the actual programs where nipples are shown? (You skipped that. I'm sure it's a slip.)

 

[Ralph]

Well, for the record: I've been over a decade of my life in the USA. How long have you been there?

I think your typical cable TV package available in the US today must have a dozen or so channels that show nipples--male & female. (yawn).

I live within a 45 minute drive of several popular beaches where you can sunbathe topless or even nude. They're not "officially designated nude beaches". Just places the locals go to that enjoy doing that.

Nobody gets upset, arrested, or calls the media about it.....it's not a big deal(yawn).

 

[Ziggurat]

The Carnaval is televised by Globo, and probably all the other major networks. There are lots of nipples there.

But you weren't comparing just the broadcast of nipples in Brazil to the broadcasting of nipples in the US, you were comparing the respective responses to wardrobe malfunctions where more was exposed than is permitted. Where's your evidence that this wardrobe malfunction was televised?

Edit: we want a YouTube link (or its equivalent), and will accept nothing less as evidence.