BBC 9/11: The Conspiracy Files

Aphelion said:
The Jersey Girls sat through the 9/11 commission and had dealings with members of the commission.
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Yes, and they think NORAD didn't launch any fighters until two hours after the attacks. They might have had dealings with commission members, but they're still stupid.



Aphelion said:
Bartmer was an eyewitness, a trained eyewitness.
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I didn't know they trained NYPD officers in structural engineering! When was this policy introduced? How is it expected to assist with fighting crime?



Aphelion said:
You are desperately trying to pretend this was a balanced documentary and you look more foolish with each post.
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I never claimed it was balanced. The series sets out to demolish stupid conspiracy theories and that's what it does. I am merely asserting that the people you are complaining about being left out had nothing to bring to the table.

-Gumboot
 
Aphelion said:
The Jersey Girls sat through the 9/11 commission and had dealings with members of the commission.
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And are upset that parachutes weren't thrown to WTC occupants from helicopters.

Bartmer was an eyewitness, a trained eyewitness.
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Who only heard "explosions" after WTC 7 started to collapse.

You are desperately trying to pretend this was a balanced documentary and you look more foolish with each post.
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How do you balance facts and expert opinions against lies and the rantings of idiots like Jones and Fetzer? This is as good as it can get for you guys, sad but true.

CT's have no experts, no facts - just youtube videos and cherry-picked quotes mined by theology and philosophy professors. You wanted attention from the MSM, you got it. It's only going to get worse for you the more you get noticed. The CT emperor wears no clothes.
 
Aphelion said:
Nice.

Could you please source the claim that they think it took 2 hours to launch fighters?
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They say it themselves on camera in the documentary "9/11: Press For Truth".

I am guessing they're not all equally stupid and ignorant of 9/11. One of them, for example, refused to appear on that documentary.

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
They say it themselves on camera in the documentary "9/11: Press For Truth".

I am guessing they're not all equally stupid and ignorant of 9/11. One of them, for example, refused to appear on that documentary.

-Gumboot
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It was pressure from those families that actually got a commission in the first place. They had plenty to offer the BBC documentary.

@WildCat:

I think your idea of the effect of this documentary will prove to be wrong. When people watch that footage of building 7 and see the mentions of Loose Change they will fire up the PC and look for themselves.
 
One concern the Jersey Girls have is the repeated failures to capture Bin Laden. How do you think they felt when their President said in 2002 that he really didnt care where Bin Laden was and it wasn't his priority?
 
Aphelion said:
Every truther I know started off believing the official story. Some believed it for years. Your statement above is ridiculous.
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There is a line between official story believer and a debunker. You seemed to have missed that.

Official story believers probably have little knowledge of the anatomy of the conspiracy theory, but think it sounds silly.

Debunkers are the people who have a huge span of knowledge about both 9/11 and the conspiracies around it.

I too would have to say that I have never seen a debunker turn into a truther.
 
Aphelion said:
It was pressure from those families that actually got a commission in the first place. They had plenty to offer the BBC documentary.
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They had someone from the ACTUAL commission itself. You may recall, he was actually highly critical of the Bush Administration. Why would they need to interview someone who could do nothing except spout the same CT nonsense already coming from the mouth of Fetzer, Jones, and Avery?

-Gumboot
 
Aphelion said:
I have seen the film. They do not claim fighters werent scrambled. They ask why there were no intercepts given that it was 100 minutes between the first hijack and the final crash.
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Hell, they even explained that in the BBC documentary...
 
WildCat said:
He did?
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Yes, he did:

"I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority."
- G.W. Bush, 3/13/02

"I am truly not that concerned about him."
- G.W. Bush, repsonding to a question about bin Laden's whereabouts,
3/13/02 (The New American, 4/8/02)
 
eddyk said:
Alex Jones on his show today, hes believe in thermite, bombs on every floor and in the basement.
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The guy wants to please everyone I guess. :rolleyes:

Even he should know there is no need for basement bombs in a top-down collapse.
 
gumboot said:
They had someone from the ACTUAL commission itself. You may recall, he was actually highly critical of the Bush Administration. Why would they need to interview someone who could do nothing except spout the same CT nonsense already coming from the mouth of Fetzer, Jones, and Avery?
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Quantity over quality! :rolleyes:
 
Aphelion said:
I have seen the film. They do not claim fighters werent scrambled. They ask why there were no intercepts given that it was 100 minutes between the first hijack and the final crash.
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Quoting Lorie Van Auken:
That's almost two hours, you know, where planes were flying around the skies of the United States with no military response.
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False. The military responded within 60 seconds of being told about the hijacking of AA11 by putting the F-15's at Otis ANG Base on Battle Stations. Six minutes later the F-15's were issued scramble orders.



Quoting Mindy Kleinberg (regarding the Payne Stewart learjet intercept and other "routine" intercepts)

Tell me what the difference was, between those times, and the day of September 11th.
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Demonstrates a gross lack of knowledge of the matters at hand. The Stewart learjet intercept took 81 minutes. It did not involve NORAD. The aircraft were unarmed. The aircraft transponder was working. The aircraft maintained level flight. The total flight duration, from first signs of distress until termination, was 3hrs 40 minutes. The event was seen as out of the ordinary. No standard proceedure was followed - the local ARTCC controller contact Eglin AFB directly to request an aircraft to assist.

In contrast, on 9/11, transponders were turned off. Aircraft changed direction and altitude significantly, multiple times. The longest flight was only 41 minutes long. NORAD had multiple hijacking reports to deal with (11 in the first 90 minutes).

One does not need to be a rocket scientist to understand the difference between these intercept attempts.

-Gumboot
 
Aphelion said:
I can imagine the production meeting:

Producer 1: We have 10 minutes to fill, should we have The Lone Gunman director talking about his opinion of conspiracy theories, or should we put in some first responders or members of the family steering committee, who were actually affected by the events of 9/11?

Producer 2: Use the sci-fi guy.
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Aphelion,

rather than bitch and moan about who was interviewed, consider this....

If you had ANY structural engineers or demolition pros on your side you wouldn't find yourself bitching and moaning about who was interviewed.

In other words, the best thing you can do for your "movement" is to find some experts and bring them on board with your evidence.

So what are you waiting for?
 
Cl1mh4224rd said:
lol... Because they can recognize someone with superior knowledge and experience in a particular field and defer to them for complex answers to complex questions, rather than pick an answer out of their navel?

Well, *baa-a-a-a*
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You anti-'murican long-haired wierdo commie freak!:D
Don't you know that "all men are created equal". It says so, rat cheer on the Constitution.
Forrest Gump and Steven Hawking are equals in every way.
 
gumboot said:
Quoting Lorie Van Auken:


False. The military responded within 60 seconds of being told about the hijacking of AA11 by putting the F-15's at Otis ANG Base on Battle Stations. Six minutes later the F-15's were issued scramble orders.



Quoting Mindy Kleinberg (regarding the Payne Stewart learjet intercept and other "routine" intercepts)



Demonstrates a gross lack of knowledge of the matters at hand. The Stewart learjet intercept took 81 minutes. It did not involve NORAD. The aircraft were unarmed. The aircraft transponder was working. The aircraft maintained level flight. The total flight duration, from first signs of distress until termination, was 3hrs 40 minutes. The event was seen as out of the ordinary. No standard proceedure was followed - the local ARTCC controller contact Eglin AFB directly to request an aircraft to assist.

In contrast, on 9/11, transponders were turned off. Aircraft changed direction and altitude significantly, multiple times. The longest flight was only 41 minutes long. NORAD had multiple hijacking reports to deal with (11 in the first 90 minutes).

One does not need to be a rocket scientist to understand the difference between these intercept attempts.

-Gumboot
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Are you claiming intercepts were not routine before 911? Have you heard Jeff's phonecall with NORAD? I suggest you listen to it.
 
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