BBC 9/11: The Conspiracy Files

gumboot said:
I am consistantly amazed at the astounding lack of basic language comprehension displayed by Conspiracy Theorists.

It's unbelievable. You often hear jokes about people being failed by the education system, or how Americans are poorly educated compared to other nations (okay, you probably don't hear that in the States, but it comes up often over here). I usually dismiss this sort of thing.

But if the truthers are examples of the product of your schools... yikes!

-Gumboot
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Thanks for conceding defeat with your ad-hominem attacks.

Heres the call. Go to 26 minutes into this video and hear Dr Thomas Fuller from NORAD totally debunk the Popular Mechanics nonsense.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=696954944242794813&q=popular+mechanics
 
Aphelion said:
The other investigations were concerned with building safety, not terrorism:rolleyes:
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When are you twoofers gonna have the new investigation that you're always talking about?

Granted you guys have conducted about 50 different investigations and reached 50 different theories, but at some point you're gonna have to pool your findings into a single story.

Any idea when this will be?
 
Aphelion said:
Heres the call. Go to 26 minutes into this video and hear Dr Thomas Fuller from NORAD totally debunk the Popular Mechanics nonsense.

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=696954944242794813&q=popular+mechanics
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Thanks...

Right.

The cite is 67 intercepts. That's in the 6 months prior to 9/11. Inside the ADIZ. where is where NORAD did its intercepts prior to 9/11. In the conversation they cite one incident prior to 9/11 in which USAF aircraft intercepted a civilian aircraft over CONUS airspace. The learjet incident we previously covered.

Your recording from "Jeff" does not help your position in any way whatsoever.

-Gumboot
 
CHF said:
Granted you guys have conducted about 50 different investigations and reached 50 different theories, but at some point you're gonna have to pool your findings into a single story.
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During a weekend power-down to "install cable" Mossad agents feverishly installed bombs and thermite in the WTC, thanks to their buddy Marvin Bush removing the bomb-sniffing dogs. Meanwhile, Larry Silverstein made sure to get his insurance in order, while Halliburton completed the testing and development of their "Star Wars" beam weapon, financed by Zionists and Enron. Meanwhile, the Neocons set about finding an actor to play OBL in a confession video, but finding only a fat guy w/ a big nose they deliberately made it blurry to fool all but the most dedicated youtube watching college dropouts. The Globalists, meanwhile, were putting the finishing touches on the AA 77 replica that was to fly over the Pentagon while dropping a bomb, at the exact same moment that the CIA was planting light poles on aged taxi drive Lloyd England's taxi. Other CIA operatives were already digging a hole in a field in PA and burying plane parts in it.

Crazy, isn't it? And that only scratches the surface! Still have to fake the airport videos, flight manifests, surveilance camera videos, multiple black boxes, phone calls from passengers, etc etc. :boggled:
 
gumboot said:
Thanks...

Right.

The cite is 67 intercepts. That's in the 6 months prior to 9/11. Inside the ADIZ. where is where NORAD did its intercepts prior to 9/11. In the conversation they cite one incident prior to 9/11 in which USAF aircraft intercepted a civilian aircraft over CONUS airspace. The learjet incident we previously covered.

Your recording from "Jeff" does not help your position in any way whatsoever.

-Gumboot
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Yes it does. Dr Fuller makes it clear that interceptions would take place anywhere.

Are you seriously suggesting that before 9/11 errant planes would not be intercepted?
 
Aphelion said:
Yes it does. Dr Fuller makes it clear that interceptions would take place anywhere.

Are you seriously suggesting that before 9/11 errant planes would not be intercepted?
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Yes, I am.

Sec. 99.1

Applicability.

(a) This subpart prescribes rules for operating all aircraft (except for Department of Defense and law enforcement aircraft) in a defense area, or into, within, or out of the United States through an Air Defense Identification Zone (ADIZ) designated in subpart B.

(b) Except for §§99.7, 99.13, and 99.15 this subpart does not apply to the operation of any aircraft-

(1) Within the 48 contiguous States and the District of Columbia, or within the State of Alaska, on a flight which remains within 10 nautical miles of the point of departure;
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From FAA Regulation 14 CFR Part 99 Section 99.1

-Gumboot
 
gumboot said:
Yes, I am.



From FAA Regulation 14 CFR Part 99 Section 99.1

-Gumboot
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I think you skipped the part about 10 nautical miles.

So if this wasn't routine, why did Boston call NORAD asking for some F16's to help them out?

What are you suggesting was the procedure before 911? Is Dr Fuller lying?
 
Aphelion said:
I think you skipped the part about 10 nautical miles.
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I think you skipped the part about reading comprehension in your english classes at school.



Aphelion said:
So if this wasn't routine, why did Boston call NORAD asking for some F16's to help them out?
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Because someone at Boston was a smart cookie who responded instinctively on gut instinct that something very bad was going on. NOTHING was routine about 9/11. They did not fly a routine hijacking profile at all. (You're also failing to mention that NEADS wasn't Boston's first port of call - they first called Air Station Atlantic City NJ, unaware that the ANG alert base had been closed in 1997. Then they contacted Otis ANG Base directly. Again acting on instinct, the pilots there headed for their aircraft, and were on the way when they received the "Battle Stations" alert from NEADS.)

You'll notice that it is always Boston Centre that calls NEADS regarding the hijacking alerts, even though the flights aren't necessarily in Boston Centre airspace. That's because the other centres were following correct proceedure, and notifying the FAA.

Boston DID contact the FAA Headquarters AS WELL, but it was the addition of contacting the military as well that changed things.


Aphelion said:
What are you suggesting was the procedure before 911? Is Dr Fuller lying?
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No, he's not lying. He didn't explain or state anything. He merely agreed with a vague statement made by a person on the other end of the phone. "They send planes all over".

This is false. Dr Fuller showed a clear lack of knowledge of the Stewart learjet disaster (he didn't, for example, mention that it wasn't NORAD fighters that intercepted it).

-Gumboot
 
Okay so what was the correct proceedure for incidents over CONUS airspace on 9/11?

1) ARTCC controller notifies superior
2) Superior contacts FAA Headquarters
3) FAA Headquarters contact FBI and military
4) Under agreement of FBI and FAA, it is determined if a fighter escourt is required
5) Request is made to the Secretary of Defense to provide fighter escourt
6) Orders are filtered down through DoD chain of Command to NORAD to provide fighter escourt
7) Orders are issued to the appropriate Air Defense Sector
8) Air Defense Sector issues scramble order to fighters
9) Fighters take off

What's interesting is, this same chain of command was being followed on 9/11, and it got nowhere. In fact in hindered things. When the call came in regarding other flight hijackings, the FAA HQ told the ARTCC that the regional commanders were in a meeting regarding another incident (AA11) and were not to be disturbed!

When other centres such as Cleveland offered to contact the military directly, the FAA HQ told them they would make any decision regarding the military.

Meanwhile, while the FAA turned itself into a monumental cluster [rule8] Boston and NEADS singlehandedly managed the entire thing.

-Gumboot
 
busherie said:
While we discuss 9/11, women and children are being murdered in the Middl-east, in Afg, in Iraq. US, UK and other soliders, most of them very young, are butchered.

5 years after 9/11, what Bush has done now appears in its full atrocity. Yes, the Taliban and the Saddam regimes were monstruous regimes. But one has to face the harsh reality: all of this has been a total failure.

My opinion has always been a LIHOP: the occasion was too beautiful to try to seize quickly dwindling energy ressources by installing friendly regimes, which after all counldn't be worse than the previous ones.

What was a very small group (Al Qaida) has become a huge uprising throughout the muslim world against both traditionnal regimes and the West.

I know I'm being sentimental here, but I've just watched a great documentary (nov 06) about what's happening in Iraq right now, and it makes me bitter.

Question: do you debunkers realize that you are objectively supporting the declining neo-cons?

Let us bring them down, start anew! We owe it to those who died on 9/11, to those who died since, and to those dying and living in fear as we speak.
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When bush is gone, busherie will declare victory and be lost in his delusional wasteland due to lack of knowledge and logical thinking.
 
Aphelion said:
One concern the Jersey Girls have is the repeated failures to capture Bin Laden. How do you think they felt when their President said in 2002 that he really didnt care where Bin Laden was and it wasn't his priority?
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You and the Jersey Girls should go get him yourselves. They got some money, you must have some brains. Go get em. Jersey Girls bounty hunters! They could collect the 25 million dollars and share it with you. You could take the LC guys when they run out of money this year.

I would also taut Osama and tell him he is not a priority. Taut him as much as he says we will be killed as long as we exist.
 
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