Can this qualify as a challenge?

[petre]

Dear Doc Daneeka and Fellow Forumers,



As I said earlier, I can talk to the spirit only when I go to the Philippines. Since I am in Australia, I have to send the request through mail. The decision whether the spirit would agree to your request or not is up to Him and not me.

In my reply to GzuzKryzt, I wrote that if you wish to talk to the spirit directly, why don't you go to the channel in the Philippines and ask all your prepared questions with your audio tape recorder or video recorder to record your session with Him? Don't worry. It will not cost you anything. If you wish to give anything to the woman, it is up to you. If none, no problem. It's all voluntary.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader

Do not listen to this foul spirit PC! He is a minion of the devil and seeks only to decieve you. He thought he was clever in predicting the rise of GOTACURAL, but a higher power has revealed his impotence by averting the disasterous plage that He had planned! This evil being tried to pass it off as though he was talking about AIDS, but it is all a lie! Be lead not into doing evil yourself by spreading his untruths and conviening with the dead, for it be offensive in His eyes! Instead repent and put yourself back on the rightous path and you may yet be saved! Only you can convince yourself if it is true or not.

 

[Jackalgirl]

If you doubt the prophecy because the disease was not directly named AIDS, how about the incredible prophecies that He revealed which are very specific, such as babies with three eyes, human being giving birth to babies with horns, human being giving birth to kitten, and cat giving birth to human being? When, not if, these happen, will you believe?

This is too much of an open-ended, vague prediction. It's open to interpretation, or just too open-ended.

Three-eyed babies and babies with horns -- the odds of a baby being born with three eyes, somewhere at some time, are actually not that bad at all -- birth defects happen (in about 3-4 times out of 100, according to Sci-Tech). Same for a birth defect, a deformation of the skull, that might resemble horns.

Woman --> kitten or Cat --> human - I highly doubt that a human being will /ever/ give birth to a kitten, but children are born with cleft lips all the time that could make them look like they have cat mouths; if you mean that a human will give birth to an actual kitten (and that kitten will be verified as a member of the felis cattus species), that's one thing. But prophesies such as this are notorious for being "cherry-picked" later (such as the cleft lip thing). Same thing with cat --> human; I imagine that at some point, a cat somewhere will give birth to a deformed kitten that /looks/ vaguely human (especially among humans who are uniquely hardwired to find human faces in /everything/). If your spirit is claiming that the human will be an actual /homo sapiens/ coming out of a cat (poor kitty!), that's one thing. But I rather suspect anything even slightly human in its appearance will be called as a "hit".

So you have to be much, /much/ more specific in your predictions. You have to say, "a woman will give birth to a kitten, and by 'kitten' I mean actual 'felis cattus', not a human child with a birth defect, on XXX date in YYY place." Or "on such and such a date, in such and such a place, a human child will be born with horns on its forehead that will be indistinguishable from goat horns, and will be found by doctors to be of the same physiology as goat horns and not a birth defect simply resembling horns."

Your prediction can't be subject to interpretation or explanation ("it looks like horns" -- "the kid looks like a kitten") -- it has to be self-evident.

Also, an open-ended prediction (that is, no date given) cannot, by its nature, be disproved, because it has no expiration date. I highly doubt that JREF will accept a prediction of this type for their Challenge.

Summary: in order for a prediction to be acceptable it will have to be:

1) not subject to any kind of interpretation or explanation at all (i.e., be very specific)
2) have an expiration date
3) be verifiably falsifiable (i.e., JREF will be able to determine whether it happened or didn't)

 

[Doc Daneeka]

HEY..

I said in the other forum topics, its a "Luciano Pavarotti" musical audio CD in Randi's sealed box... haha..

In your small leather bag, you got cat nip in it ! lol

Nope. But I'll give you all a clue. It doesn't rhyme with shoe.

 

[Doc Daneeka]

Dear Doc Daneeka and Fellow Forumers,



As I said earlier, I can talk to the spirit only when I go to the Philippines. Since I am in Australia, I have to send the request through mail. The decision whether the spirit would agree to your request or not is up to Him and not me.

Well, as i said earlier, the 'spirit' won't choose to answer my challenge. We all know this. It won't answer because the answer would be wrong. And that would be inconvenient.

Time is up anyway. I'm going to be a generous person just this one time. I'll keep this object up on my desk for the next year. As i already know that the 'spirit' will choose not to name the object, i'm not terribly worried. You have a year to come up with excuses. Please, enjoy.

 

[Reno]

I'm just sorry for your sister who didn't get a grand.

 

[Pro7]

Nope. But I'll give you all a clue. It doesn't rhyme with shoe.

merijuana? lol

 

[TheChadd]

Here's a good angle. If he REALLY can prove that the son of God existed (or better yet even that there's a god at all) that surely requires supernatural ability.

 

[ben m]

Can you accept its publication as proof that AIDS was revealed prior to its occurrence?

PeaceCrusader,

In addition to understanding what your prophecies mean, we would like to understand how you came to understand them. Would you mind thinking about a hypothetical situation, and answering a question?

Imagine that I was approached, years ago, by a man who called himself a prophet. He claimed he could predict horse race winners, and he demonstrated his skills by naming dozens of horses, and saying that they would all win something, somewhere, eventually, but I haven't been able to check any of that. I asked him to tell me who would win the 2004, 2005, and 2006 Kentucky Derby.

For 2004, he predicted a brown horse named OORGOMOLOG. I bet him $100 that he'd be wrong. In fact, the winner was Smarty Jones. He called me back a month after the race to collect on the bet: OORGOMOLOG, he said, was revealed to him in a dream as a secret name for Smarty Jones.

For 2005, he predicted PLEFFOFOOBIO and again bet me $100 on it. The winner was Giacomo. Right after the race, the prophet called me to collect his bet; Giacomo, he said, was, in retrospect, exactly what he had meant when he'd said PLEFFOFOOBIO.

In 2006, he bet $100 on a brown horse named AAAAA. In fact, we were watching the race together, and---wouldn't you know---just after Barbaro pulled five lengths ahead down the stretch, the prophet said "The prophecy has been clarified! AAAAA is actually Barbaro!" Barbaro won a few seconds later, he demanded $100 for his correct prediction of the winner, pointing out that he'd gotten the color right and that Barbaro has the letter A in it twice.

So, tell me, PeaceCrusader, hypothetically: my friend predicts that the 2007 winner will be PBBBLPLBBP. In your opinion, should I bet on PBBBLPLBBP to win the 2007 Derby? Based on the information I've given you, has my friend proven himself to be a reliable prophet? Is there any way he could possibly be ripping me off?

 

[Ladewig]

I'm dizzy from watching this merry-go-round.

I'm off to the entertainment forum.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear GzuzKryzt and Moochie and Fellow Forumers,

Since I neither believe nor don't believe in "spirits", I thankfully decline your offer, PeaceCrusader.

A simple demonstration of the "spirit's" alleged ability - by e.g. telling the correct content of the aforementioned 10 boxes - will suffice for me.

And me!

Waiting, waiting, waiting...

Today is 12 noon, Sunday, 2007 February 18, in Australia. As of now, I have not received any reply from anyone from the household of the woman in the Philippines or from any of the listeners of the spirit. Like you, I have been waiting to receive a reply.

I wish the spirit would agree to the test to prove to all that what I related to you is true.

I keep you posted of any developments.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Petre and my Fellow Forumers,

Do not listen to this foul spirit PC! He is a minion of the devil and seeks only to decieve you. He thought he was clever in predicting the rise of GOTACURAL, but a higher power has revealed his impotence by averting the disasterous plage that He had planned! This evil being tried to pass it off as though he was talking about AIDS, but it is all a lie! Be lead not into doing evil yourself by spreading his untruths and conviening with the dead, for it be offensive in His eyes! Instead repent and put yourself back on the rightous path and you may yet be saved! Only you can convince yourself if it is true or not.

You should tell that to the Muslims because according to them, their Qu’ran was revealed by the angel Gabriel to Muhammad. Why was it not God who directly revealed the Qu’ran to Muhammad? Why through an angel? Is that angel really Gabriel?

The spirit we talk to is not a “foul spirit”, Petre. I have mentioned before that it took me eleven years (1983-1994) before I accepted that the spirit we talk to is none other than Jesus Christ. This is in spite of my being able to talk to Him, recording our sessions on audiotape, replaying the tapes, transcribing His messages from tapes, reading and reading the transcriptions, translating the messages from the original Pilipino text to English, seeing His prophecies happen, His knowing us and people we dealt with. So you see, I did not believe immediately. It took me a long eleven years before I believed.

Did you know what triggered me to believe that He is true? Please have a read of my website under the file “signs.htm” in the Aristean calendar. How could His name “AMA” appear in an article written about me and the calendar? How could 888 which is the number of Jesus that I discovered in 1994 be in the middle of a cross among post office boxes? How could there be three sets with the set with 888 in the middle. To the right of the middle set, a cross can also be made but not to the one to the left. Reminds us of the crucifixion where Jesus was in-between two thieves, isn’t it? How could my mother be named Gregoria and my maternal grandmother Julita. Their names are related to the present calendar we are using (Gregorian calendar) and its predecessor (Julian calendar).

There are other recent “coincidences” that I found. Would you like to know them?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[Loss Leader]

I keep you posted of any developments.

PC - Thank you for following up on this. Most people in your position do not. I fear that you will not receive a positive response from this woman but, like you, I hope that you hear from her.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear The Chadd and Fellow Forumers,

Here's a good angle. If he REALLY can prove that the son of God existed (or better yet even that there's a god at all) that surely requires supernatural ability.

Did Jesus not say that He would send the Holy Spirit? In John 16:7, Jesus said, “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.”

Who is that Comforter? He is also known as the Spirit of Truth, the Paraclete, the Helper.

Has what Jesus said happened already? I believe it has. The spirit we talk to is no other than the Holy Spirit Himself. He is Jesus Himself now a spirit. That is why I said earlier that naming what are inside a box is very easy to Him. I suggested that success means naming all 25 items correctly and anything wrong is failure.

What do you think differentiates the true God from the false gods? Logic, please, even without using any holy scripture. What makes a god, god?

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[Loss Leader]

Did Jesus not say that He would send the Holy Spirit?

I'm not sure why it would matter what Jesus said. Last week, I told my wife I was going to clean out the spare room so she can organize the baby's clothing. I have no intention of doing it.

In order for your talk about Jesus' word to have value, we would have to have conclusive proof that: a) Jesus was God; and b) his words were recorded correctly. Since I see no source outside of the bible itself to indicate that Jesus was magic, I cannot believe it.

I suggested that success means naming all 25 items correctly and anything wrong is failure.

I am sure Mr. Randi will be glad to hold Jesus to a far lower standard for him to consider the test a success, but your faith is invigorating.

What do you think differentiates the true God from the false gods? Logic, please, even without using any holy scripture. What makes a god, god?

I do not believe in God. Thus, all who claim to be God are false Gods. This, at least, makes them easy to spot.

 

[Burner]

Dear The Chadd and Fellow Forumers,
Did Jesus not say that He would send the Holy Spirit? In John 16:7, Jesus said, “Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.”

Wow, now that you put it that way... I mean, what is naming measly 25 items in a box compared to predicting that (holds breath) : "Comforter is sent as the Spirit of Truth, the Paraclete, the Helper. The spirit we talk to is no other than the Holy Spirit Himself. He is Jesus Himself now a spirit."

So the Comforter is the spirit, right? Altho Jesus was still here and Comforter was up there and he wouldn't come down unless J told him to. So now that J went up there and Comforter was supposed to come here, right? But then Jesus came back here again, wtf? And as a spirit, mind you. But not just any spirit but the Spirit of Truth. No wait.. That would be the Paraclete... And this spirit is Jesus. Now what the hell is that? Shouldn't it be the Comforter or Helper? What kind a spirit do we have now? Tell J to return his order.

 

[PeaceCrusader]

Dear Burner and Fellow Forumers,

Wow, now that you put it that way... I mean, what is naming measly 25 items in a box compared to predicting that (holds breath) : "Comforter is sent as the Spirit of Truth, the Paraclete, the Helper. The spirit we talk to is no other than the Holy Spirit Himself. He is Jesus Himself now a spirit."

So the Comforter is the spirit, right? Altho Jesus was still here and Comforter was up there and he wouldn't come down unless J told him to. So now that J went up there and Comforter was supposed to come here, right? But then Jesus came back here again, wtf? And as a spirit, mind you. But not just any spirit but the Spirit of Truth. No wait.. That would be the Paraclete... And this spirit is Jesus. Now what the hell is that? Shouldn't it be the Comforter or Helper? What kind a spirit do we have now? Tell J to return his order.

The Holy Spirit is also known as the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, the Paraclete, the Helper. They are one and the same.

We know that Jesus was a human being. But whose spirit was in the physical body (or house or container) of Jesus? It was God's. The Trinity that most Christians believe in consists of God the Father who talked to Moses in the Old Testament, God the Son in the person of Jesus Christ, and God the Holy Spirit. Same spirit of God but made into three. (God is a spirit as stated in John 4:24) That is why Jesus said that if He did not depart, the Holy Spirit will not come. So when He died and ascended to Heaven, He came back as a spirit, the Holy Spirit, to be in all places. If just a human being, like you and me, one can only be at one place at one time. But as a spirit, we can easily move from one place to another. With God, as a spirit, He can be anywhere all the time. Is there anything impossible with God? That is why I said earlier that naming the 25 items in a sealed box is very easy to the spirit. He can name ALL of them correctly.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

 

[GzuzKryzt]

Dear GzuzKryzt and Moochie and Fellow Forumers,





Today is 12 noon, Sunday, 2007 February 18, in Australia. As of now, I have not received any reply from anyone from the household of the woman in the Philippines or from any of the listeners of the spirit. Like you, I have been waiting to receive a reply.

I wish the spirit would agree to the test to prove to all that what I related to you is true.

I keep you posted of any developments.

Best regards,
Aristeo Canlas Fernando, Peace Crusader and Echo

Like Loss Leader, I thank you for your follow up, PeaceCrusader. I very much hope we have a test forthcoming.

 

[Burner]

Dear Burner and Fellow Forumers,
The Holy Spirit is also known as the Comforter, the Spirit of Truth, the Paraclete, the Helper. They are one and the same.

Thanks for clearing that up.

That is why Jesus said that if He did not depart, the Holy Spirit will not come.

So if Jesus hadn't died the Holy Spirit wouldn't have come? Does that mean it was right for Jesus to die all along? I don't get it. If this is so, why does everyone hate Judas then? He was just helping his fiend.

 

[Doc Daneeka]

Thanks for clearing that up.

So if Jesus hadn't died the Holy Spirit wouldn't have come? Does that mean it was right for Jesus to die all along? I don't get it. If this is so, why does everyone hate Judas then? He was just helping his fiend.

Was that a typo, or no? Either way, it made me chuckle.

 

[Burner]

Was that a typo, or no? Either way, it made me chuckle.

You evil evil clown.