Obviously you don't know more than an angel of the lord, Myriad.
Who says? Sure, angels could know some things I don't, but why cannot the reverse also be true? Can angels wire a room to code, cook Chinese dumplings, write an application program, drive in Manahattan, set up a data acquisition system for a research lab, or explain evolution to willfully ignorant people? What verses of the Bible describe angels knowing how to do any of those things?
And wouldn;t say such mockery to their face...
To whose face? How many angels lurk on this board? Any angel is welcome at any time to dispute these points with me on this board, or face to face if it prefers. Why should an angel fear honest criticism of its stone-age measuring techniques, especially as they seem to be getting inaccurate results? Of course, I would expect that angels would be honest and direct about correcting my misimpressions, and not do dirty sneaky evil things like give me cancer or smite my children because of something I said. Do you agree?
...when they are carrying such a big rod.
Oh, so angels of the Lord are violent brutes, are they? Do you believe moral authority comes from the ability to physically assault those who criticize you? If so, then why don't you go find someone weaker than yourself and beat the crap out of them until they agree with you, following your angels' example? If not, then why did you bring it up in the first place?
Nevertheless... its good you understand PHI or the golden section....
Thanks. Addition and multiplication are pretty important, I agree. I can even multiply and divide by numbers other than phi. And I'm a real whiz with the square root of two. Did you know that the square root of two is the
perfect geometic mean between 1 and 2? That is to say, 1/sqrt(2) is the same as sqrt(2)/2? The Pythagoreans used that knowledge in amazing ways. Frankly, it beats phi hands down. Phi is an inferior number, a false idol to trap the unwary, as it did the decadent enslaving Egyptians and heathen Greeks. The logarithmic spiral is a diagram of the spiralling descent into damnation of those who venerate the number phi on which it's based.
The Pythoagorenas also believed that the dodecahedron was so powerful and dangerous that knowledge of it should be kept secret. Do you agree?
...even though your knowledge of the furlong is somewhat lacking.
It wasn't on the test.
So Myriad, say on about what you learned after grade 4, in connecting up the dots and creation of life. I wouldn't mind at all, as it would definitely be a help in this thread.
Okay, no problem. I'll tell you what I learned after fourth grade, and I hope you can learn from it too.
For one thing, I learned (from experience, and from studying history) that it's very difficult to get people to stop arguing and come to agreement based on reason. People being what they are, it always has been.
Which is a problem for civilized society. Suppose you have two farmers and they start arguing over who really owns a strip of land between them. One farmer says his measuring stick shows the land is his, and the other says the same about his own measuring stick. If something isn't done, they're likely to end up having their sons out killing each other or setting fire to the whole countryside.
So, you send the Royal Surveyor, the Pharaoh's third cousin's brother-in-law, to mediate the dispute. The Royal Surveyor comes out and measures. His measurement will support one or the other farmer's contention.
But what good does that do? Why should the farmer on the short end of the stick (so to speak) accept the Royal Surveyor's measurement as any more valid than his neighbor's? He's just another guy with another stick. So, even though the losing farmer might be forced to submit to the Surveyor's ruling and let his neighbor use the land, he won't accept it as a just ruling. The underlying argument will go on, and the danger of feuding sons or scorched fields is hardly reduced.
So what Pharaoh does is equip his third cousin's brother-in-law with a
golden stick, one that comes from the very gods themselves (or so the Pharaoh claims, and if you argue with that claim, he'll have you thrown to the crocodiles, so you might as well accept that the golden stick is divine). When the Royal Surveyor comes out to measure the land with the Golden Stick, well, neither of the farmers has one of those, does he? So how can either of them possibly dispute with the Royal Surveyor's measurement? A guy can argue with his neighbor, he can argue with the surveyor, but he can't argue with the golden stick.
So, no feud, no fires, peaceful society.
Notice that it doesn't matter in the slightest whether the golden stick is actually any more accurate than an ordinary measuring stick, or even right at all. Because the main purpose of the golden stick isn't to get the right answer, it's to get an answer that nobody can argue with, because nobody else has one.
For that reason, kings are very fond of things like golden sticks.
Strangely enough, people used to think (or at least pretend to think, in order to stay out of the crocodiles' mouths) that kings were the wisest most honorable people on earth. So when they saw visions of angels, they saw them as being a lot like kings, because that's the best they could do at understanding what they were actually envisioning. So if they had a vision of an angel measuring something, they'd envision it using a golden stick just like the Pharaoh's third cousin's brother-in-law did.
Here's the problem though: the Pharaoh's golden stick was a fraud. It served a social purpose for the primitive screwheads, but it was a fraud. When you describe an angel using a golden stick, you incorporate that fraud into your vision of heaven. You're saying God uses the same frauds that mortal kings used 4,000 years ago.
Which is a pretty limited, diminished, insulting view of God. When you take old prophetic visions literally, and describe the Lord's angel measuring out the New Jerusalem with a golden stick, you make God look ridiculous.
When you say the moon has to be a certain distance because the number is so perfect, it's the same idea as the golden stick, an appeal to divine authority. But since we can make repeatable physical measurements of how far the moon actually is, your perfect number is just as fraudulent as the Pharaoh's golden stick. To suggest that God supports your perfect number (which is what you're saying when you say the number is divine or "part of the DESIGN") and doesn't know the real distance to the moon is an attempt to place your own fraud at the feet of God and make God look ridiculous.
Do you think God is ridiculous? If not, then why do you want to make God look ridiculous?
Consider the possibility that, if God sent you to this board, He sent you to learn rather than to teach.
Respectfully,
Myriad
