Kent Hovind gets 10 years

[Zep]

OK, AY.

YOU give US the word(s) YOU would use to indicate clearly and unequivocally that Hovind's doctorate, while not actually stolen or against any law per se, is not only not worth the cheap paper it is printed on, it is also indicative of Patriot [Bible] University's execrable reputation as a purveyor of misleading qualifications, and of Hovind's long-proven modus operandi as a blatant cheater, liar, and con-artist in pursuing and obtaining said doctorate.

Then we'll use that/them instead, and you won't be whinging, will you.

 

[Slimething]

I said that days ago, Slimey!

Zep, sometimes I'm a slow learner. Don't worry, I'll get there someday!

 

[drkitten]

YOU give US the word(s) YOU would use to indicate clearly and unequivocally that Hovind's doctorate, while not actually stolen or against any law per se, is not only not worth the cheap paper it is printed on, it is also indicative of Patriot [Bible] University's execrable reputation as a purveyor of misleading qualifications, and of Hovind's long-proven modus operandi as a blatant cheater, liar, and con-artist in pursuing and obtaining said doctorate.

Hmm. We need a word meaning "within the boundaries of the law, but without any intellectual or social merit whatsoever;a misleading cheat, a excreble liar, and a con-artist"?

I'm this far from suggesting that the word should be "AgingYoung-esque."

 

[wahrheit]

Hmm. We need a word meaning "within the boundaries of the law, but without any intellectual or social merit whatsoever;a misleading cheat, a excreble liar, and a con-artist"?

I'm this far from suggesting that the word should be "AgingYoung-esque."

Genesque is easier to pronounce.

 

[Questioninggeller]

Feb 5, 2007 update from jail

Hovind's passing on the con-ster business to his son

http://www.cseblogs.com/?p=63

Feb 5, 2007

Update from Bunk Three

“The Things Which Have Happened Unto Me” Philippians 1:12 But I would ye should understand, brethren, that the things which happened unto me have fallen out rather unto the furtherance of the gospel;

January 25, 2007
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Our attorneys had advised us not to even give a defense because they were confident that the government had not proven its case. Well, that is water under the bridge.

Last week the judge sentenced me to ten years and delayed sentencing on my wife until March 6th. Some details of the case are on www.penaltyprotestor.org. There is still a great chance the case will be overturned on appeal for multiple reasons, but that is in God’s hands.
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Eric has done a great job managing things in my absence. He continues to do creation seminars as well. Dinosaur Adventure Land is still open for Winter Park hours, Thursday through Saturday, 10:00 - 5:00. The park hosted about 80 this past Saturday. The spirit of the CSE Team is good, and we still get daily reports of souls saved and lives changed by the simple message of God’s incredible creation. Please keep praying as we continue to learn how all this is for God’s glory.
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More later,

Kent Hovind

No comment on deceiving the court or hiding your assets? No explanation for your behavior? Didn't think so.

 

[Cuddles]

The park hosted about 80 this past Saturday.

I thought Hovind was supposed to be some really popular preacher type. My flat's car park gets more visitors a day than that. How did he manage to get so much money if that's the sort of popularity he has?

 

[Hastur]

But there are some among us, and they know who they are, that want to conjure up meaning and speak to words; declaring to words, ‘you will mean this!’

Look who's talking, Humpty Dumpty.

 

[AgingYoung]

Cuddles,

So basically what you are saying is that every time someone uses a word it automatically changes meaning to what you want it to mean and not what they very clearly meant, especially now that they have explained that it is in fact what they meant. Interesting.

Not hardly. When I state that Dr. Hovind's degree is legitimate then someone explains to me that it isn't by using a different meaning they're being specious. Hope that clears the matter up for you.

Can we all just get back to gloating over the conman in prison, that was much more productive.

Now when you reason speciously to justify the irrational, sadistic pleasure you get in enjoying the suffering of someone else, that indicates that reason is not your friend. It can't be seen in your sadism or can it be seen in how you justify yourself.

Gene

 

[ponderingturtle]

Not hardly. When I state that Dr. Hovind's degree is legitimate then someone explains to me that it isn't by using a different meaning they're being specious. Hope that clears the matter up for you.

So you agree then that when he presents himself as having a legitimate degree he is knowingly deceiving people?

 

[Questioninggeller]

Cuddles,

Not hardly. When I state that Dr. Hovind's degree is legitimate then someone explains to me that it isn't by using a different meaning they're being specious. Hope that clears the matter up for you.
...

Hovind's "degrees" lack academic validity. It is an insult to academia to refer to him as "Dr." He is Mr. Hovind until he graduates from a properly accredited university with a doctorate.

You keep ignoring that you are changing the meaning of words to suit your end.

Cuddles,

...
Now when you reason speciously to justify the irrational, sadistic pleasure you get in enjoying the suffering of someone else, that indicates that reason is not your friend. It can't be seen in your sadism or can it be seen in how you justify yourself.

Sadistic? Irrational? More words you are misusing.

It is not sadistic for one to be happy that a criminal is he belongs, prison. He had over ten years to avoid this fate.

 

[Cuddles]

Not hardly. When I state that Dr. Hovind's degree is legitimate then someone explains to me that it isn't by using a different meaning they're being specious. Hope that clears the matter up for you.

Unfortuneately for you, we stated that Mr. Hovind's degree was not legitimate and then you explained to us taht it was by using a different meaning. Congratulations on declaring yourself the loser of this argument.

Now when you reason speciously to justify the irrational, sadistic pleasure you get in enjoying the suffering of someone else, that indicates that reason is not your friend. It can't be seen in your sadism or can it be seen in how you justify yourself.

Gene

So you're saying we shouldn't be glad that a proven conman is in jail? You have a very disturbing view of the world.

 

[AgingYoung]

Unfortuneately for you, we stated that Mr. Hovind's degree was not legitimate and then you explained to us taht it was by using a different meaning. Congratulations on declaring yourself the loser of this argument.

Fortunately for me, any attack on the legitimacy of Dr. Hovind's degree from a legal perspective is constrained to the legal meaning of legitimacy. Further, fortunately for me, it isn't as much a matter of who wins or loses. The point is how some accept the law that convicts Dr. Hovind then reject the law that confers legitimacy to his degree.

An honest person would recognize the legal right of the State of Colorado to pass law. If there are laws they don't agree with they would work to change them; they wouldn't act as if they didn't exist. That's hypocrisy.

Gene

 

[AgingYoung]

So you're saying we shouldn't be glad that a proven conman is in jail?

There is no way to justify sadism in reality. It's generally done in the self righteous reality that people conjure up.

Gene

 

[ponderingturtle]

Fortunately for me, any attack on the legitimacy of Dr. Hovind's degree from a legal perspective is constrained to the legal meaning of legitimacy. Further, fortunately for me, it isn't as much a matter of who wins or loses. The point is how some accept the law that convicts Dr. Hovind then reject the law that confers legitimacy to his degree.

An honest person would recognize the legal right of the State of Colorado to pass law. If there are laws they don't agree with they would work to change them; they wouldn't act as if they didn't exist. That's hypocrisy.

Gene

How on earth do you get that? People here view him as a lying, greedy bastard. This is shown by his fake credentials that are worth nothing. You even reverse your earlier argument and that somehow is supposed to support your argument?

His degree is in no way what he presents it to be, you admit that, but some how these lies are not fraud how? He is lying to people for his financial gain, it might not quite be legal fraud, but that does not mean his whole ministry is not a big fraud, as the word is not limited to the crime.

 

[ponderingturtle]

There is no way to justify sadism in reality. It's generally done in the self righteous reality that people conjure up.

Gene

So you feel that being glad about someone being in jail is an evil emotion?

I would also assume that you think there is something wrong with being amused by Ted Haggards outing?

 

[drkitten]

Fortunately for me, any attack on the legitimacy of Dr. Hovind's degree from a legal perspective is constrained to the legal meaning of legitimacy.

Equally importantly, no one in this thread except for yourself considers the legal aspects of Hovind's fake degree to amount to a half cup of warm spit. And therefore they are permitted to use the full extent of the English language and the meanings contained therein.


... and to value Hovind's degree at its true (negligible) worth.

 

[articulett]

Fortunately for me, any attack on the legitimacy of Dr. Hovind's degree from a legal perspective is constrained to the legal meaning of legitimacy. Further, fortunately for me, it isn't as much a matter of who wins or loses. The point is how some accept the law that convicts Dr. Hovind then reject the law that confers legitimacy to his degree.

An honest person would recognize the legal right of the State of Colorado to pass law. If there are laws they don't agree with they would work to change them; they wouldn't act as if they didn't exist. That's hypocrisy.

Gene

A religious person lecturing about honesty?! Kent Hovind is the least honest person around. As are most Christians...but what can you expect from people taught that a sophmoric and barbaric neolithic book is "the truth" (No...I'm not talking about the Quo'ran...but, yets, they think their book is true too...and it says the Christians are worshiping a false god and will burn in hell.)

Same old dishonesty in the name of religion and than obfuscating semantic games to change the meaning (moving the goalposts)--did you learn that technique in church? I know you think you are morally superior than us here, but you are lying to yourself and others...I don't consider that moral...Hovind is worse, because people don't think to question their clergy men and they don't look at actual facts when they are told they have to believe a certain fairytale or suffer forever. You are only right in your own head. The facts are against you and Hovind. And you ought to question your own honesty rather than that of others. We can back our statements with evidence--you cannot. The only people who believe your stories are those who have been brainwashed with the same religion. We call it ignorance in the scientific community. Massive, holier than thou, arrogant ignorance. Some think it's child abuse to inflict it on their kids.

 

[Babylon Sister]

There is no way to justify sadism in reality. It's generally done in the self righteous reality that people conjure up.

Gene

Like the "self-rightous reality" many Christians "conjure up" when they become positively gleeful at the thought of looking down from heaven at all the atheists burning in hell?

 

[articulett]

So you feel that being glad about someone being in jail is an evil emotion?

I would also assume that you think there is something wrong with being amused by Ted Haggards outing?

I think it's evil to imagine a blissful eternity while you (fundies) giggle with delight (as Ann Coulter assures us her "co-religionists" do) when they think of people suffering eternally for not believing the right unbelievable story.

I am not all loving, but I wouldn't even conceive a kid if I believed that there was the slightest opportunity for that person to suffer eternally--and I'm supposed to admire someone who admires an invisible guy (who is indistinguishable from a voice in ones head) who supposedly poofs people into existence--entraps them with talking snakes (???) and then makes their descendants suffer forever?

Unless, of course, they believe that said invisible guy impregnated a virgin without her consent and created a kid (who was really himself) and premeditated the murder of that kid because it supposedly atones for the horrible crime of biting from the tree of knowledge that the first fully formed newly "born" humans who hadn't been taught any language were told not to bite from...?

Kent Hovind should be flogged for creating such stupid people who are afraid to learn the actual facts. Don't these idiots know that all religions and cults use similar indoctrinating techniques: "good things will happen if you believe; bad things will happen if you doubt; you get bonus points if you convert others; it's arrogant to ask questions."


300 million years of evolution and creationist brains seem incapable of evolving complex thought processes. Tsk tsk. I guess their intelligent designer likes them stupid.

 

[Questioninggeller]

Equally importantly, no one in this thread except for yourself considers the legal aspects of Hovind's fake degree to amount to a half cup of warm spit. And therefore they are permitted to use the full extent of the English language and the meanings contained therein.


... and to value Hovind's degree at its true (negligible) worth.

I wonder if Patriot's "degree" is "valued" the same as doctorates from the Universal Life Church-- $50?

Doctor of Biblical Studies
$50.00

Once again we are offering a Bible studies course. This course is comprised of 30 lessons from Genesis to the book of Revelations. The context is nondenominational and is therefore acceptable for those in all walks life. This is a very comprehensive study of the Bible with all references made to the King James Version upon completion of the studies, a Doctor of Biblical Studies (DBS) degree is awarded for a minimum donation $50.00.