Randi on Anderson Cooper 360

This kind of makes my point. It is not possible to have heard of everybody making claims of a supernatural nature or to know about the evidence for their claims. When Randi was hit with a claim like this out of the blue, it would probably have been better to just acknowledge that he'd never heard of the guy and wasn't familiar with his claims or his evidence.

Yeah, Randi probably should have responded as you suggest. I was just surprised that the CNN guys didn't investigate this guy a bit closer. If SB and crew are using him as a reference, you'd really be able to nail them to the wall if you could show his other woo beliefs. It would have been even better than the interview with the woman who's son wasn't in Tennesee after all.
 
Then you could write off 100% of the cost of the reading. That just seems wrong.

Yeah, you're right. I forgot which side I was arguing for. It's an occupational hazard. Of course, the IRS would argue that the value of the reading was the same as the charge for the reading.

My bad.
 
An analysis of the number of words spoken in this conversation, from the transcript.

I stated counting at the point where Rossi makes her opening statement. I left out Cooper's introduction, as well as "We're going to a commercial break ...", and the sentence or two he spoke to re-introduce the topic after the break.

Approximately 10,000 words were spoken (9,992 by my count):

Rossi: 4,883 words (49%)
Cooper: 3,111 words (31%)
Randi: 1,998 words (20%)

For sure it seems Rossi got more than her fair share. And poor Randi could hardly get a word in edgeways ...
 
I'll bet her believers never even think of the question "well, shouldn't THAT body have been found, then?"
I think AC or Randi made that point somewhere in there, but it was probably lost in Rossi's nonstop shrieking.
 
It's just great to see Randi in fighting form again after meeting him at Tam5. Anderson showed superb skeptical skill in nailing Rossi's ad hominen attack. Rossi was squirming and every time she opened her mouth she just dug herself in deeper. She's as much a pathetic excuse for an apologist as Browne is as a cold reader.
 
That was PRICELESS!

"Sylvia has never taken money for a reading, those are donations to... um... unsolicited... RANDI'S AN ATHIEST!! AN ATHIEST EVERYBODY!!"

I'm not really surprised she used that ad hom. After all, in the U.S., atheists are pariahs while anyone who claims to speak to or for "God" get's a pass. While it was a low blow, it will work for SB's advantage.
 
I'm not really surprised she used that ad hom. After all, in the U.S., atheists are pariahs while anyone who claims to speak to or for "God" get's a pass. While it was a low blow, it will work for SB's advantage.

I'm not sure about that. Her strident, whiney tone when she went off on him like that might turn off a lot of people. She really sounded like she was losing it.
 
I'm not sure about that. Her strident, whiney tone when she went off on him like that might turn off a lot of people. She really sounded like she was losing it.
Among most people, you might be right, but to the believers, it is their life blood. Shows like Jerry Springer, with at least one fight guaranteed, are quite popular with these folks. They believe pro wrestling is real, for crissakes. If she was whiny and loudmouthed, so much the better because she is fighting for TRUTH! If you know the truth, then you must speak it, right? God will forgive your lack of manners.
 
My point exactly. Doesn't it feel good to use leviticus for something usefull?

Yes, but I'm still waiting for Fred Phelps to picket Red Lobster.

Christians don't have to follow the kosher laws. Paul freed them from all of that so he could get more followers. Or something like that.
 
I looked at a few sketchy church's websites (ULC, Benny Hinn, and Rod Parsley), and it sure seems that they are now selling products, and not asking for "donations" in exchange for "gifts".

Please do not include ULC, ( www.themonastery.org/ ) in the same breath as Hinn and the other phonies. My DDiv has just as much validity as any other religous credentials, and the $25 it cost me is amongst the best use of free cash I've ever spent.
 
Please do not include ULC, ( www.themonastery.org/ ) in the same breath as Hinn and the other phonies. My DDiv has just as much validity as any other religous credentials, and the $25 it cost me is amongst the best use of free cash I've ever spent.

You should have waited; you can ordain yourself on line for free with the click of the mouse. In some states you can even perform weddings. Michael Shermer does so as a ULC minister.
 
Ok for what it's worth. While I agree with most of what Randi stands for I don't think if I were not familiar with the background, or already on the same side, that I would necessarily find his sometimes slightly cantankerous appearances that persuasive - - a seasoned magic performer he may be but a good TV talkshow performer in this TV soundbite world is another matter. but Hey even those early promo pics around are a bit scary!

Another advocate that I also mostly agree with, is Richard Dawkins but in my opinion, I think Dawkins can come across pretty awful as on the recent "Root of all Evil" programmes - sorry but it's difficult to put my finger on the problem . I find him an awkward and uncomfortable TV speaker.

Perhaps when Randi acts as a consultant eg Johnny Carson & Geller - his input is more effective - (though when he nailed James Hydrik he had more time) perhaps the JREF needs a different TV face on behalf of the JREF - also (and I assume this has been contemplated) what happens if JR is unable to personally represent the JREF but Brown, Edwards et al are still plying their wares?
 
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Another advocate that I also mostly agree with, is Richard Dawkins but in my opinion, I think Dawkins can come across pretty awful as on the recent "Root of all Evil" programmes - sorry but it's difficult to put my finger on the problem . I find him an awkward and uncomfortable TV speaker.
I agree.

When he lectures to the camera, he is reasonably persuasive, but when he interviews others with beliefs differing from his, he comes across as an arrogant and confrontational bully.
 
I thought this was Randi's weakest moment:
I think it was a tough spot and even with time to think about it I'm not sure how best to respond to something like this given that you've only got time for a few sentences. Unfortunately Randi went into the weeds with the horse racing analogy, I suspect.

I say "suspect" because even though most of knew what he was getting at immediately and agreed with him, I suspect that the analogy was not going to be grasped easily by many of the people who are Browne believers and it put Randi in the position of trying to make a point with an analogy that was going to take more time to explain than was available before some people were going to get what he was talking about.

His characterization of the retired FBI agent as "not knowing enough about his subject" followed by an awkward description of what Randi meant was more (IMHO) problematic than getting into the horse racing analogy. Once again, I think most of us knew what he was getting at but I wasn't sure that the average Sylvia Browne fan would. It also put Randi in the position of criticizing somebody he had never met and had no apparent basis for making negative comments about other than that the guy was being quoted as saying things about Browne that Randi disagreed with.

Of course, this is with the benefit of time to think about it, but I think a better response might have been something like this:

I realize, of course, that I had time to think about the answer for quite awhile before I wrote it down and perhaps even then many of you will still feel that it wasn't a very good way to deal with that kind of question.

Still, when confronted with an out of the blue story that one is completely unfamiliar with in a discussion it may lead to a less defensive appearance if one just admits that he doesn't have knowledge of the particular story that has just been foisted on him.

This is so sad,
Randi was impressed by gunderson's credentials.
All Randi needs to do is Google him and he'll get as clear picture of what kind of a liar and scamster gunderson is.
One of my favs is the newsmakingnews 'gunderson dump' site.
Hey, I was there...I saw that stuff..........
and he doesn't sue me because he knows I keep documentation.
How sad.
Have his people call my people.:D
 
I've said it before, and I'll say it again: If anyone ever on national TV accused me of not being able to do what I know I can do, and then said that he'd pay me a million dollars to demonstrate my ability under conditions that would eliminate fakery, I'd take that challenge in a minute!

And I'd make sure that my performance would be documented.

And I'd WIN the frickin' challenge and take the million bucks!

But that wouldn't be all. No, I'd rub the challenger's face in it. I'd make sure that everyone knew that I really could do what I said I could do, and I'd also make sure that he looked like a buffoon for challenging me. Of course, this would be a newsworthy event, and I'd milk it for all it was worth. Then I'd do the talk show circuit, I'd write a book about my victory, and I'd lecture. And of course, my own business and prestige would skyrocket, which would add up to more ka-ching ka-ching for me! And of course, I'd have the satisfaction of having taught that dumb S.O.B. a lesson!

That's what I'd do. But Browne and others won't. Hmmmm. Maybe I'm just not as civilized as they are.

Unfortunately (for me, anyway), James Randi limits the challenge to supernatural, paranormal and occult feats. And I can't do anything like that. (I can do a few magic tricks that seem to be supernatural, but I have to confess that I use fakery to accomplish them.)

But if James Randi ever offers a milliion bucks to someone who can construct a crossword puzzle, or balance a large object on one's chin, or juggle three objects with a single hand, then DAMN I'll be first in line to accept that challenge and wipe that damned smirk off his face.
 
C'mon, Brown, don't you know that selfish acts make the superpowers go away. You've heard it plenty of times, I'm sure, believers know who the real psychics are because the real ones are selfless and spiritual. There are only superheroes in their world but no supervillians..except Randi and his negative psi field.
 

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