Telekinesiologist now at JREF!

The video, as others have said, was full of problems. Here's an idea. If you're convinced that you are controlling this thing with your mind, FIRST verbalize your intent, THEN let us see the result, such as:

YOU: OK, I'm going to move the paper to the right one half rotation.
(we see what happens)
YOU: I'm going to make the paper stop and stay still.
(we see what happens)
YOU: Now I'll move the paper to the left, one full rotation.
(we see what happens)


*We know all the ways this can be faked, so don't even think about trying anything deceptive.
 
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TheTelekinesiologist,

Please read everything at this link, including sub-topics, regarding the TRUTH behind James Randi's One-Million Dollar Challenge.

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

Also, read this link for a definitive article on why the statement "We use only ten percent of our brains" is utterly FALSE!

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm

Some highlights...

"One reason this myth has endured is that it has been adopted by psychics and other paranormal pushers to explain psychic powers."

"The argument that psychic powers come from the unused majority of the brain is based on the logical fallacy of the argument from ignorance. In this fallacy, lack of proof for a position (or simply lack of information) is used to try to support a particular claim."

"Brain imaging research techniques such as PET scans (positron emission tomography) and fMRI (functional magnetic resonance imaging) clearly show that the vast majority of the brain does not lie fallow."

"Over the course of a whole day, however, just about all of the brain is used at one time or another."

"It is past time to put this myth to rest, although if it has survived at least a century so far, it will surely live on into the new millennium."

The burden of proof always rests firmly with the asserting party. You would do well to either prove your claims or stop making them. How does that old saying go? Oh, yeah... "Put up or shut up!" Ever heard it before?

I'll bet you have.

-Fnord of Dyscordia-
 
TKologist,

Here's a sample preliminary test protocol for the Million Dollar Challenge.

A sealed room with no air movement. (10) test items, each numbered. Upon random selection, you will move only the specified object, to the exclusion of all others. You would be asked to make one - and that one alone - turn.

Two trials. One with you inside the room at a specified distance from the objects. Another with you outside the room looking at the objects through a glass window.
 
TheTelekinesiologist said:
IIf you think this is fake, I will gladly improve it with your suggestions.
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My lord, I have never seen less convincing video of anything. TK, you have to watch it with a critical eye. You set the paper up on a heat-generating source. You play spooky music to enhance the effect. The you stand back and do ... well, we don't know what. I do know that I saw you waive your hand one way and the paper moved, waive your hand the other way and the paper still moved in the same direction, not waive your hand and the paper moved, and I think I saw the paper move and then you waive your hand as soon as it started spinning.

Unconvincing is not a strong enough word.

You did, however, prove to me one thing: you are a kid and you have no idea what you're doing. That makes me feel better, though. You're not a fake in my eyes, you're just not experienced and knowledgeable enough yet to understand your errors.

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I have rolled a can a few days ago but it was an accident. I was trying to spin the psi wheel the other day when the can beside me started rolling. I could not repeat this.
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TK, you must see how this looks to others. While you were doing one thing, something unrelated happened. Isn't it more likely just a coincidence. Other things happen all the time. If you weren't trying to move the can in a defined way, then aren't you just retrofitting what happened. If I claim that the next roll of two dice will be a 6 and then I roll a 12, I am not justified in saying, "Look, it's two sixes. I saw a six but I didn't realize that was one six per die. I'm doubly right!" If you don't define the result you are looking for and hold yourself to that standard, you have nothing.

I like you, TK. And I'm happy to see you reading and self-testing. But you have to be your own worst critic if you want to get anywhere.
 
Fnord said:
TheTelekinesiologist,

Please read everything at this link, including sub-topics, regarding the TRUTH behind James Randi's One-Million Dollar Challenge.

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

Also, read this link for a definitive article on why the statement "We use only ten percent of our brains" is utterly FALSE!

http://www.snopes.com/science/stats/10percnt.htm

Some highlights...

"One reason this myth has endured is that it has been adopted by psychics and other paranormal pushers to explain psychic powers."

"The argument that psychic powers come from the unused majority of the brain is based on the logical fallacy of the argument from ignorance. In this fallacy, lack of proof for a position (or simply lack of information) is used to try to support a particular claim."

"Brain imaging research techniques such as PET scans (positron emission tomography) and fMRI (functional magnetic resonance imaging) clearly show that the vast majority of the brain does not lie fallow."

"Over the course of a whole day, however, just about all of the brain is used at one time or another."

"It is past time to put this myth to rest, although if it has survived at least a century so far, it will surely live on into the new millennium."

The burden of proof always rests firmly with the asserting party. You would do well to either prove your claims or stop making them. How does that old saying go? Oh, yeah... "Put up or shut up!" Ever heard it before?

I'll bet you have.

-Fnord of Dyscordia-
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-Very Interesting....so Mr.Randi thinks young people are misguided. Well, compared to the rest of my youth, I think I'm doing pretty good considering I don't do drugs, alcohol, play video games all day,
take part in gang violence, etc. The only problem is that I have not solved an unexplained phenomenon.

-I gotta hand it down to you, the 10% myth really shook me. Now that I think about it, there is probably alot more theory's floating around that have yet to be proven false.

-I actually haven't herd of that saying.
 
Loss Leader said:
My lord, I have never seen less convincing video of anything. TK, you have to watch it with a critical eye. You set the paper up on a heat-generating source. You play spooky music to enhance the effect. The you stand back and do ... well, we don't know what. I do know that I saw you waive your hand one way and the paper moved, waive your hand the other way and the paper still moved in the same direction, not waive your hand and the paper moved, and I think I saw the paper move and then you waive your hand as soon as it started spinning.

Unconvincing is not a strong enough word.

You did, however, prove to me one thing: you are a kid and you have no idea what you're doing. That makes me feel better, though. You're not a fake in my eyes, you're just not experienced and knowledgeable enough yet to understand your errors.



TK, you must see how this looks to others. While you were doing one thing, something unrelated happened. Isn't it more likely just a coincidence. Other things happen all the time. If you weren't trying to move the can in a defined way, then aren't you just retrofitting what happened. If I claim that the next roll of two dice will be a 6 and then I roll a 12, I am not justified in saying, "Look, it's two sixes. I saw a six but I didn't realize that was one six per die. I'm doubly right!" If you don't define the result you are looking for and hold yourself to that standard, you have nothing.

I like you, TK. And I'm happy to see you reading and self-testing. But you have to be your own worst critic if you want to get anywhere.
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Thanks for your support loss leader. The music in the background was only used to show the audience that I had an audio feed so that they wouldn't think I had a hair dryer blowing from a distance.

I should stick to one thing and improve on it instead of making statments that cannot be proven. The can moving is what is keeping me motivated and is why I haven't given up at this point.
 
I'm curious: are the hand motions everyone seems to use for this entirely necessary? Sure its all very dramatic but it'd be a whole lot more convincing if the person was dead still when they did it! I also get the impression from the hand motions that the "mind energy" comes out via the hands - is this what any practitioners out there actually "feel" when they do it? And if so doesn't that strike anyone as odd in and of itself?
 
Hey TK,

Count me as another person who's glad to see you testing yourself and actually taking the advice you asked for.

Here's another suggestion. When evaluating something like this, one of the most useful questions you can ask is, "If that were true, what else would be true?" So if it's true that you're really moving the paper with telekinesis (rather than heat, air, static, etc.), then what else would that imply? It seems to me that if you can really move the paper with your mind, then you should also be able to move other very light objects as well, right? So try to find something else that you could move with your mind, but that isn't as susceptible to other forces as a psi wheel. Others have already suggested a single piece of paper sitting on a desk. A whole sheet might be too heavy, but what about something like a half-inch square piece of toilet paper? That should be pretty easy to move, but it wouldn't be quite as susceptible to other forces. (Air currents, yes, although I imagine not as much as the psi wheel; and heat and static, not at all.) Or how about putting a ping pong ball in the middle of a large, flat, level table, and trying to roll it? That should require very little force to move. Or how about balancing a pencil on the very edge of a desk, so it's just on the brink of falling off, and then trying to move it left or right (which also requires very little force).

The point is this: if your mind can actually move objects, then it should be able to move a variety of objects. If it turns out that the only objects that can be moved by your telekinesis just happen to be objects that are extremely prone to move in exactly the same way without the presence of telekinesis... well, wouldn't you find that coincidence to be a little too much to swallow?

One other point. You mentioned that when you left the paper alone in the room, it only moved 45 degrees. But you don't know that; all you know is that it ended up 45 degrees from where it started. It may have just moved that 45 degrees, or it may have done dozens of complete rotations in both directions and ended up 45 degrees away from where it started.
 
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From TK site: "Doubt is like a wall between you and TK. So climb over the wall and leave it far behind you. You do not need doubt in your search for truth, especially not when it comes to the powers of the mind. Okay, you live in a practical world, it's only natural to try to reason things. Don't bother. Set practicality aside, and when you achieve TK you will then see how silly the concept of logic is altogether. It will all make sense when you get there."

TK, another thing you might want to consider: the TK and PK enthusiast sites all stress that you must believe 100% that TK is real, you cannot doubt your ability, you must eliminate all questions from your mind, you mustn't try to analyze anything, etc. In other words, what they are doing is prohibiting critical thinking skills. This should raise numerous red flags. For example, the instructions I quoted above read like a recipe for delusion. When you eliminate critical thinking, you are no longer equipped to judge what is real and what is not.
 
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SezMe said:
"Alot" is not a word. You mean "a lot"

"Herd" is a word but denotes a collection of animals. You should be using "heard"
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Look, this is a good point, I was going to raise it before, but I will add my voice to yours instead.

TK, my seven year old daughter writes better English than you do. Do yourself a favour and take extra English grammar lessons instead of all this farting about with bits of paper.
 
Fnord said:
I'll stop "harassing" anyone who doesn't come in with a pack of lies for us to believe.

There's no such thing as telekinesis. Right off the top, anyone who claims this ability is lying, if only to themselves.
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Which means that you are going to harass any woo-woo that ventures into these pages. So much for the 'E' in JREF.

If woosters and troofers comes here, they should expect to be corrected, not coddled. There are other websites for the delusional; places like Loose Change and Sylvia Browne come to mind. Let them run their on-line daycare centers for the lost and bewildered.
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Nobody says that woo-woos should not be corrected. Harassment is something different.
 
The Atheist said:
He was given the opportunity to state his case, did so, and was shown LOTS and LOTS of evidence that he isn't in fact telekinetic, but just misled.

There's your education, done and dusted.
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And you expect that being shown evidence that other people are frauds will immediately convince a believer that he is himself a fraud when he does something that he really believes in, you do not understand much of believers or education.

When the said young bloke then just dismisses all that and tells us that "we'll be shown" etc., etc., ad nauseum, the time for education has gone and the time for troll-baiting has begun.
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The troll-baiting is unworthy of this forum.

You're asking us to treat this young bloke as though he's a five-year old with an imaginary friend.
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No, polite and firm will do. If you want to educate this young fellow you have to understand that it is a process that is not accomplished by a few posts pointing out his errors followed up by a load of abuse if he does not at once cave in.

N.B. Telekinesiologist: This is a quick message for you. I'm sorry we burst your bubble, but you have some serious growing up to do, and the sooner the better, for your own life. Thanks for the fun.[/QUOTE]
This has been said so often here that one wonders why you even bother, unless you get a pleasure from yanking his chains.
 
TheTelekinesiologist said:
The music in the background was only used to show the audience that I had an audio feed so that they wouldn't think I had a hair dryer blowing from a distance.
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I have not been able to see the move because it has apparently been removed. I do have some advice, though: Since you have audio working, you should say out loud what you intend to do before you do it, like "Move right 45°". You should also make a movie of the exact same setup where you move your hands just like when performing TK, but without actually doing TK, or alternatively try to keep the paper still (but continue moving you hands). In my judgement, you will find that the paper moves anyway. It will be a useful control that will make your movies more trustworthy.
 
Ginarley said:
I'm curious: are the hand motions everyone seems to use for this entirely necessary? Sure its all very dramatic but it'd be a whole lot more convincing if the person was dead still when they did it! I also get the impression from the hand motions that the "mind energy" comes out via the hands - is this what any practitioners out there actually "feel" when they do it? And if so doesn't that strike anyone as odd in and of itself?
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No you don't need to use your hands. The other day I tried it without hands and it worked, perhaps even better than with hands. The purpose for using my hands was only to have a guideline to follow. If you actually imagine your hands moving instead, it has the same result. I discovered yesterday that it works best to think of the object like a third hand (or finger). When you move your hand to pick up an object, do you think about the process of moving it? No. You just move it. This works the same way. I will try to include this demonstration in the next clip.
 
Quinn said:
Hey TK,

Count me as another person who's glad to see you testing yourself and actually taking the advice you asked for.

Here's another suggestion. When evaluating something like this, one of the most useful questions you can ask is, "If that were true, what else would be true?" So if it's true that you're really moving the paper with telekinesis (rather than heat, air, static, etc.), then what else would that imply? It seems to me that if you can really move the paper with your mind, then you should also be able to move other very light objects as well, right? So try to find something else that you could move with your mind, but that isn't as susceptible to other forces as a psi wheel. Others have already suggested a single piece of paper sitting on a desk. A whole sheet might be too heavy, but what about something like a half-inch square piece of toilet paper? That should be pretty easy to move, but it wouldn't be quite as susceptible to other forces. (Air currents, yes, although I imagine not as much as the psi wheel; and heat and static, not at all.) Or how about putting a ping pong ball in the middle of a large, flat, level table, and trying to roll it? That should require very little force to move. Or how about balancing a pencil on the very edge of a desk, so it's just on the brink of falling off, and then trying to move it left or right (which also requires very little force).

The point is this: if your mind can actually move objects, then it should be able to move a variety of objects. If it turns out that the only objects that can be moved by your telekinesis just happen to be objects that are extremely prone to move in exactly the same way without the presence of telekinesis... well, wouldn't you find that coincidence to be a little too much to swallow?

One other point. You mentioned that when you left the paper alone in the room, it only moved 45 degrees. But you don't know that; all you know is that it ended up 45 degrees from where it started. It may have just moved that 45 degrees, or it may have done dozens of complete rotations in both directions and ended up 45 degrees away from where it started.
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Wow. A ping pong ball. There's an idea! Why didn't I think of that. I'll try it. I have tried just leaving the paper on a desk but it only moves a couple of cm. I still think I need to improve a little more. The only objects I can confirm I have an easier time with are objects with a large surface area. Larger sheets may actually be easier. Nonetheless, I will still try everything you listed above. Thanks
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There are videos on YT of multiple wheels moving under glass, with no hands being used.

Search for psiwheel, many videos. All will become clear.
 
SezMe said:
"Alot" is not a word. You mean "a lot"

"Herd" is a word but denotes a collection of animals. You should be using "heard"
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You don't happen to be an English teacher do you? Man. I got a serious case of CHILL'S when I read your post:boggled:. I probably forgot to hit the space bar when typing A LOT. Oops, don't kill me now...
 
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