"Evolution isn't science"

jesus_freak said:
[ if you believe that numbers make things factual, I suggest you consider:

Christianity is a minority belief on Earth./QUOTE]
anymore LIES? Not that it matters or should change anyones mind but why lie about it?
Major Religions of the World
Ranked by Number of Adherents

(Sizes shown are approximate estimates, and are here mainly for the purpose of ordering the groups, not providing a definitive number. This list is sociological/statistical in perspective.)
  1. Christianity: 2.1 billion
  2. Islam: 1.3 billion
  3. Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
  4. Hinduism: 900 million
  5. Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
  6. Buddhism: 376 million
  7. primal-indigenous: 300 million
  8. African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
  9. Sikhism: 23 million
  10. Juche: 19 million
  11. Spiritism: 15 million
  12. Judaism: 14 million
  13. Baha'i: 7 million
  14. Jainism: 4.2 million
  15. Shinto: 4 million
  16. Cao Dai: 4 million
  17. Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
  18. Tenrikyo: 2 million
  19. Neo-Paganism: 1 million
  20. Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
  21. Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
  22. Scientology: 500 thousand
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According to your numbers here, Christians account for less than one-third of the population. You haven't shown the breakdown of Christians that believe in a Young Earth versus those that believe in an Old Earth. That is still needed.
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jesus_freak said:
So if I believe everything was covered by water about 4,000 years ago C-14 dating you would agree is worthless?
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Except we don't have evidence that "everything" was covered by water 4000 years ago. You can believe it happened - the evidence indicates otherwise. So while you may believe that C-14 dating is worthless, the evidence indicates otherwise.
 
switchtech said:
jesus_freak said:
According to your numbers here, Christians account for less than one-third of the population. You haven't shown the breakdown of Christians that believe in a Young Earth versus those that believe in an Old Earth. That is still needed.
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Yeah. And most of those "Christians" are probably not "True Christians (tm)". For example, 1.2 billion of those are catholic, so... You have about 900 million left, which is less than non-religious folks. You wanna think this through?
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Over 270 ancient civilizations have stories and historic records of The Great Flood...I wonder why that would be?...hmmm.....ummmmm....maybe because there was one?
 
Yeah. And most of those "Christians" are probably not "True Christians (tm)".
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Oh boy where do I even begin how about what does any of this have to do with evolution...or now your saying that people who claim to be Christians probably are'nt because well you don't want them to be. You see the numbers aren't what you want so you make your own assumptions I wonder where you would get that sort of logic from.
 
Buckaroo said:
At this point I'm curious -- what are we trying to accomplish here? Are we trying to change JF's mind? Educate him? By now, we can see this is futile, as it is clear that (and I say this in all seriousness) he is either mentally ill, or deeply and profoundly stupid, as evidenced by his inability to either comprehend our points, or acknowledge his many errors after they have been pointed out.
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I tend to agree. The efforts appear futile. I've just spent several hours going through 15 pages of posts. I believe I have learned a great deal and it was a worthwhile effort on my part even though what I have learned has only served to strengthen my own original convictions which continue to be in opposition to JF's. I'd like to think that his resistance to reason and evidence is futile. But then I'm not a Borg. :)
 
Does anyone have any illusions remaining about whether jesus_freak is different somehow from the rest? Despite having agreed here to this:
Schneibster said:
you need to be prepared to produce a citation from a scientific paper published in a peer-reviewed and widely accepted journal of the scientific field that the paper you are quoting is relevant to
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nothing of the kind has happened. Not one relevant citation. Not anything but a series of unsupported assertions, abandoned when they are proven wrong. What is the point?
 
jesus_freak said:
Over 270 ancient civilizations have stories and historic records of The Great Flood...I wonder why that would be?...hmmm.....ummmmm....maybe because there was one?
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Or maybe it's because most ancient civilizations lived in river valleys...river valleys that periodically were subject to catastrophic floods? hmmmm...
 
Mr. Jesus_Freak, please answer my question:

Q: So, you agree that you don't "know" for a certainty what the term "servant" means in Titus 2:9 (Y/N)?
 
jesus_freak said:
Over 270 ancient civilizations have stories and historic records of The Great Flood...I wonder why that would be?...hmmm.....ummmmm....maybe because there was one?
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References?

I gave you plenty of references to a series of MEGAfloods that occured in the Pacific Northwest between 12000 and 18000 years ago. There is lots of evidence... and that is the best you can come up with?

Now on to that off the wall without evidence comment, more accurately it would be "A Great Flood". But, perhaps not. From http://kjmatthews.users.btopenworld.com/cult_archaeology/creationism_6.html
Unsurprisingly, the Egyptian historical records of the period, which are reasonably full and complex, do not document a flood or the complete annihilation of population from the Nile valley. Nor is there any indication that in the years following the otherwise undocumented flood, the region was recolonised by a new population, the descendants of a Mesopotamian boat-builder and the animals he had rescued from the antediluvian world. Further afield, Chinese records make no mention of this universal flood. The archaeological record of the Indus Valley civilisation fails to show a mid-third-millennium hiatus. In Britain, the third millennium saw the development of Stonehenge from a simple banked enclosure to a complex arrangement of stones with no evidence the it languished for the best part of a year, half finished, under thousands of metres of floodwater. Nowhere in the world do we find archaeological evidence for any form of disruption to populations, cultures or settlement patterns at the required date. The sole piece of evidence used by creationists is the so-called ‘flood deposit’ found by Sir Leonard Woolley (1880-1960) at Ur in 1929. This is more probably explained as a result of silting in marshes towards the moths of the Rivers Euphrates and Tigris at a time of a marine transgression, when the Persian Gulf extended further north than it now does than evidence for even a regional flood. There is simply no evidence from any part of the world to support the Biblical account of a worldwide flood in the third millennium BCE (or at any other time, for that matter!) that wiped out all humanity, land animals and birds, with the exception of eight people from Mesopotamia and the animals that accompanied them on the Ark and the recolonisation of the earth by their descendants.
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jesus_freak said:
Oh boy where do I even begin how about what does any of this have to do with evolution...
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Pot...Kettle...black.
jesus_freak said:
or now your saying that people who claim to be Christians probably are'nt because well you don't want them to be. You see the numbers aren't what you want so you make your own assumptions I wonder where you would get that sort of logic from.
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I don't think anyone here would object to you counting Catholics as Christians, provided you don't differentiate between the two when the historical evils of the Catholic Church are used to show the soft moral focus and outright abuses of Christian States.
 
jesus_freak said:
My interpretation of the Bible.And yes there are many sources here is one of them.http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=204
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And you believe them? They don't do the math very carefully (well, the math is done right, but it is the wrong math!). If the moon is receeding from the Earth at 3.8 cm / year, then 4.5 billion years ago, the moon would have been 171,000 km closer (not really because the rate of recession appears to be increasing slowly as the moon moves further from the Earth). So, the current distance of 384,000 km gives us 213,000 km 4.5 billion years ago. If Barnes calculation of Roche's limit of 18,400 km is accurate, then the moon would never have been within the limit, even 4.5 billion years ago.
 
jesus_freak said:
Oh boy where do I even begin how about what does any of this have to do with evolution...or now your saying that people who claim to be Christians probably are'nt because well you don't want them to be.
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No JF, we expect you to do that if at any point we point out a Christian with views contrary to your own.

You see the numbers aren't what you want so you make your own assumptions I wonder where you would get that sort of logic from.
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Creationists, one would assume.
 
jesus_freak said:
Over 270 ancient civilizations have stories and historic records of The Great Flood...I wonder why that would be?...hmmm.....ummmmm....maybe because there was one?
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Could it be that a great many of these civilizations existed near river delta's? Could it be that a great many of these civilizations experienced periodic floods like those that covered New Orleans a couple of years ago? When we examine the evidence of flooding in these areas it is apparent that they flood repeatedly with varying degrees.

You'll also have to specify whether the 270 ancient civilizations are the grand sum total of all such ancient civilizations, and cite evidence.
 
jesus_freak said:
Over 270 ancient civilizations have stories and historic records of The Great Flood...I wonder why that would be?...hmmm.....ummmmm....maybe because there was one?
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Read - "Hero with a thousand faces" - Joseph Campbell

All civilizations tell the same stories. The characters just change. You can not only find the flood story but also the resurrection story in many cultures.

Myths have a greater meaning. A god dying to allow life to live is not unique to the christian tradition. Did not Abraham asked to sacrifice his son to complete a deal with god.

Maybe the story is really saying that life cannot exist without death. For something to live something must die
 
Mr. Jesus_Freak, please answer my question:

Q: So, you agree that you don't "know" for a certainty what the term "servant" means in Titus 2:9 (Y/N)?


A:My NASB version say "bondslaves" and yes I think that is a direct refernce to slaves.Not sure what this has to do with evolution but nowhere in the New Testament does it condone or condemn slavery
 
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