Blasphemy - still illegal in the US!

[ponderingturtle]

Do you tacitly support professors behaving like complete jackasses in the execution of their professional duties?

DR

Well as it was a political course it might well have been justifiable in the realm of his course. If it was a science course he should be disiplined for not actualy teaching material about the subject.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Hey; God works in strange and wondrous ways.............

Yep, mostly through the acts of violent men.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Is it?

Did someone here in the United States ask God to fly a couple of hijacked airplanes into the World Trade Center?

Explain your clarity, please..............

God told them to do it, who are you to question his ineffable wisdom? Just like he told bush to invade Iraq.

 

[TheAntiLuddite]

Is it?

Did someone here in the United States ask God to fly a couple of hijacked airplanes into the World Trade Center?

Explain your clarity, please..............

No, they were flown into the buildings by people who believed (or at least said they believed) God wanted them to commit a violent act, as did the Marine in the story.

 

[Beerina]

(Not perfect quote - but story from WWII almost certainly apocryphal

A German sub has been sunk by a British destroyer and the survivors rescued and aboard same. The Captain has reminded his men that they are to treat the prisoners with respect and must not belittle or assault them. Everything seems to be going well until the Captain steps off the bridge a couple of days after the sinking and sees a creman punching the sub Captain on the nose. The Captain of the destroyer runs up and (containing his rage carefully) asks what happened.
The crew man responds " Well sir, I was going about my business when this officer sneers at me and says "Your king is a sissy-boy!" I was angry that he had such cheek, but I remembered what you said and did nothing. Then he looked down his nose and said "Your ship stinks worse than a cesspool!" I was really angry then, but I remembered what you said and held off. But then,sir, he turned to the rail and he spat into OUR ocean................."

The '60's Star Trek adapted a variation on this, where Scotty and the lads get caught fighting Klingons on a space station. Kirk asks Scotty why he did it, and he replies that they had called Kirk some sissy boy or some such, but he did nothing. Then they called Kirk something else, but he did nothing. Finally they called the Enterprise a broken down bucket o' bolts, so Scotty punched him.

 

[Ducky]

About professional misconduct rising to the level of incompetence?

I wish I knew where you had tenure, where "incompetence" was not grounds for removal....

without knowing more about the class and the subject "professional misconduct" isn't a viable logical leap to make given this story. but within the context of the story, I don't know if it is professional misconduct at all and neither do you. is it rude? yea. Is it misconduct? depends on more context we are not given.

 

[Huntster]

Do you have anything of substance to add?

Yup. The questions:

Originally Posted by saizai
Quote:
Quote:
http://mass.gov/legis/laws/mgl/272-36.htm

Whoever wilfully blasphemes the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, government or final judging of the world, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or by cursing or contumeliously reproaching or exposing to contempt and ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures shall be punished by imprisonment in jail for not more than one year or by a fine of not more than three hundred dollars, and may also be bound to good behavior.

Hmm....

Example:

A recent military combat veteran, after his discharge from the Marines, decided to go to college. One of his classes was in Political Science. The day he showed up and sat down in class, the professor got up and declared he was an atheist...he then shouted: "God if you are real, then you have 15 minutes to knock me off this podium."

He then proceeded to denying, cursing, and contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, final judging of the world, cursing and contumeliously reproaching Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost, cursing and contumeliously reproaching and exposing to contempt and ridicule the holy word of God contained in the Holy Scriptures for 14 minutes. At this time, the Marine got up, walked up to the professor, and cold-cocked him, knocking him out and lying flat on the floor. After a minute or two, the professor woke up, got up , and ask the Marine what in the world he thought he was doing. The Marine calmly stated, "God was busy, so He sent me."

Now I suppose you'd demand the arrest and criminal prosecution of the Marine?

Tenured professors are exempt from the law?

Why are Marines subject to the law?

 

[Ducky]

Yup. The questions:

1) The professor is not exempt from anything, however is not the aggressor in your "joke." Without more context of the class topic or anything else about the professor or the school, there is no way of judging context.

2) Marines are subject to the same laws as anyone else, and punching a professor in class for what the professor said is still assault.

But I have answered those questions already, ace.

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
Didn't have to. We've been laughing about that one for a while. And I certainly don't expect one from the likes of you.

Any time, or over any humor (which you probably wouldn't understand, anyway.......................obviously............ ..........).

You can't see the problem with the marine acting on a request that was made to another entity?

Sure I do.

You can't see the problem with the professor acting so regarding an ideology that was important to the Marine?

You, too have a problem with the Massachusetts law?

I sure hope that there is a gay Marine around the next time you ask your wife for sexual favours, because, given your logic in supporting the "moral" of the "joke", you would have no problem with the marine filling in for your wife.

Got a gay Marine?

Think he'd have enough of "the right stuff" to pull it off?

 

[Huntster]

....A German sub has been sunk by a British destroyer and the survivors rescued and aboard same. The Captain has reminded his men that they are to treat the prisoners with respect and must not belittle or assault them. Everything seems to be going well until the Captain steps off the bridge a couple of days after the sinking and sees a creman punching the sub Captain on the nose. The Captain of the destroyer runs up and (containing his rage carefully) asks what happened.
The crew man responds " Well sir, I was going about my business when this officer sneers at me and says "Your king is a sissy-boy!" I was angry that he had such cheek, but I remembered what you said and did nothing. Then he looked down his nose and said "Your ship stinks worse than a cesspool!" I was really angry then, but I remembered what you said and held off. But then,sir, he turned to the rail and he spat into OUR ocean................."

I like it.

 

[Huntster]

....One of the younger members was spouting off about some group he disagreed with and suggested that if he encountered one of these people he'd beat his ass. My wife's grandfather told him that that would make him little different from the fascists that his fellow Americans had fought in the war.

I wonder what your wife's grandfather would have said if the younger VFW member told a story about someone who insulted him before he whupped his ass?

I wonder if your wife's grandfather would have found the professor/Marine joke amusing?

Too bad you can't ask him. He sounds like he was a wise, experienced man.

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
Is it?

Did someone here in the United States ask God to fly a couple of hijacked airplanes into the World Trade Center?

Explain your clarity, please..............

Your hypothetical Marine heard God's voice in his head and punished the infidel.

No he didn't.

He heard God tell him to give the professor what he demanded. There was no "punishment" involved, nor was "infidelity" involved.

The terrorists of Sept. 11 heard God's voice in their heads and punished the infidels.

Got some evidence of that?

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
Yup.

The professor asked to get his ass knocked off the podium, then it happened.

Hey; God works in strange and wondrous ways.............

Are you saying that Klan abuse of civil rights advocates was justified?

Did civil rights advocates ask to be abused?

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by fowlsound
If they're tenured there's not a whole lot to do about it

About professional misconduct rising to the level of incompetence?

I wish I knew where you had tenure, where "incompetence" was not grounds for removal....

Either in his own mind or in a very special environment where he enjoys "protections."

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Darth Rotor
Do you tacitly support professors behaving like complete jackasses in the execution of their professional duties?

Well as it was a political course it might well have been justifiable in the realm of his course. If it was a science course he should be disiplined for not actualy teaching material about the subject.

The existence of God and whether or not God knocks idiots off of poduims is a political issue?

I suppose you'd like to blame Christians for politicizing religion?

It's the religious meddling in politics that resulted in that Massachusetts law?

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
Hey; God works in strange and wondrous ways.............

Yep, mostly through the acts of violent men.

He also works through the acts of saints as well as folks who are a bit of both.

But you wouldn't know about that, would you?

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
Is it?

Did someone here in the United States ask God to fly a couple of hijacked airplanes into the World Trade Center?

Explain your clarity, please..............

God told them to do it.....

Got some evidence of that?

.....who are you to question his ineffable wisdom?

I am in no position to question God's wisdom. Nor did I.

I asked a question of Foster Zygote, not God.

You've chosen to try to answer it.

Would you like to try again?

Just like he told bush to invade Iraq.

God told President Bush to invade Iraq?

Got evidence of that?

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
Is it?

Did someone here in the United States ask God to fly a couple of hijacked airplanes into the World Trade Center?

Explain your clarity, please..............

No, they were flown into the buildings by people who believed (or at least said they believed) God wanted them to commit a violent act, as did the Marine in the story.

Do you have reading problems?

Again:

....Did someone here in the United States ask God to fly a couple of hijacked airplanes into the World Trade Center?...

Professor Jawbone clearly asked to be knocked from the podium.

Again:

....Did someone here in the United States ask God to fly a couple of hijacked airplanes into the World Trade Center?....

More, did anyone in the World Trade Center or Pentagon even "...wilfully blaspheme the holy name of God by denying, cursing or contumeliously reproaching God, his creation, government or final judging of the world, or curse or contumeliously reproach Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost, or curse or contumeliously reproach or expose to contempt and ridicule, the holy word of God contained in the holy scriptures..."?

 

[Huntster]

Originally Posted by Huntster
Yup. The questions:

1) The professor is not exempt from anything, however is not the aggressor in your "joke." Without more context of the class topic or anything else about the professor or the school, there is no way of judging context.

2) Marines are subject to the same laws as anyone else, and punching a professor in class for what the professor said is still assault.

But I have answered those questions already, ace.

So the professor should be held accountable for violations of the blasphemy law, and the Marine should be held responsible for assault, right?

 

[baron]

If a professor of mine wasted 15 minutes of my time acting like a retarded child instead of educating me I'd knock him out myself.