Kent Hovind gets 10 years

Taxes is money collected by the state to put back into running the country. So a person who doesn't pay their taxes they are stealing from everyone.

No they're not. To steal is to take by force. By not paying taxes (paying being the operative word here), you're simply not letting go of your own money.

I guess the mob, etc, don't deserve to much time either, after all, thet are in jail for not paying taxes

Only because the government is too incompetent to nail them with a real crime (like murder, armed robbery, extortion).
 
I know what he was charged with, that still doesn't convince me the punishment matches the crime.

You wrote "... I think it's a miscarriage of justice to give someone 10 years simply because they did not pay money." I pointed out that "not paying" wasn't the sole factor, and he faced a maximum of 288 years.

Throw in that since he's been in jail he has been further hiding his assets, part of what the 58th charge he was convicted of, and "In court, Hovind offers the judge a deal: Release him and he will stop suing the government." (Source) When you are about to be sentenced, you probably shouldn't threaten the government you'll sue them to get released.

Oh yeah, he also accused the judge, the IRS, and prosecution of being in on a conspiracy to jail him for laws that don't exist. Also he claimed the IRS threatened the jury to convict him.

Hovind's behavior was outrageous. Had he not threatened his former employees, IRS agents, and court then continued to hide his assets he would have gotten less.
 
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Tony,

I TOTALLY agree with you that 10 years does not fit the crime of avoiding taxes.

BUT….

Like my mum always told me when I got punished for something I didn’t do… think of all the times you got away with it !

Consider his punishment fair time for all the lies and misinformation he has spread.. COMPLETELY DELIBERATELY. He is smart enough to know his anti-evolution rants where full of lies !

Corrupting the minds of people too stupid to form opinions (or comprehend simple science) for themselves is crime enough for me !

If God does exist this is surely his way of telling Kent to stop lying !
 
My own unsupportable position is that Kent needs institutional care. From afar, he looks to be both somewhat dilusional, quite paranoid, and lacking any sense of personal responsibility for his own actions.

It's on record that he thinks the "evul gubbmint" is going to put transponders in people's heads (or hands) to track them wherever they go, etc. He has even trotted out the old bar-code scam more than once, plus the "UFO's are from Satan" line as well. Now it is obvious from the reports recently that he still believes the IRS (i.e. evul gubbmint) is out to get him again, by subverting the law, courts & jury, etc. How paranoid does he have to act before it is plainly obvious where his head is at?

And he has been into the scam industry for decades now. Right from the very start, with his fake degrees from "Patriot University" (and Storm Door Installation Service), through to the joke that is DinoLand and the scamming of his own trusting employees (part of the reason he is now in gaol). If it wasn't for the obvious delusions above, Kent would definitely be classed as a small-time con-artist and not-very-capable crook. Next stop down would be dud cheque writing...

Oh, sorry - he did that too! ;)
 
The saddest part, so far is just 6:27 in when Mrs. Hovind says...
For me it's about hope and I just don't have that right now. I don't have a hope that it's gonna be different in our marriage when you get out. Cause I'm just hearing things that sound aaall the same you know
And Kent, the loving husband responds...
Well, maybe I need to change. Or maybe you need to change and accept it. Say 'that's the way he is, that's the way god made him, so I'm gonna accept it.' I mean that's the other hope. You hope that I'm gonna change. Maybe I hope that you will adapt.
Then a defeated "OK" form the wife. That just sounds SO freakin' sad. What the h-e-double hockey sticks kind of a basTARD IS this guy?
 
How do you know he has plenty of money? do you balance his check book? have you been to his house?...I have heard from people who have gone to his house that he does not live like someone with a lot of money...he has no health care, and no savings. Seems to be a pretty factual statement that you made with no way of proving it...kinda like evolution? Again I love to debate these topics with you all but I just ask that you stick to facts and the truth...thank you.

Sorry, you've "heard from people" that he's low on funds? That MUST make it true, right? On the contrary, evidence abounds that Hovind had plenty of money--you just have to look for it. Duh. That's what the government did. And that's why he's in jail. Get it?

In case you don't:

The IRS found LOTS of money in Hovind's possession when they raided his home before his trial, for example. In the words of an IRS spokesperson, they found money "all over the place" during said raid. In all, $42,000 was seized in just one day. [note: check the Pensacola News Journal for 21 October 2006 for source; link now dead]. I guess your friends weren't looking hard enough when they visited the Hovinds...

In case $42,000 in cash lying around the house doesn't prove that he was swimming in dough, he had money in the bank(s), too. Again, according to a spokesperson for the IRS, since 1997 Hovind has been making deposits into banks "well in excess of $1 million per year during some of these years." Ouch, that guy was hurtin' for green! Are you starting to see why he should have to pay his taxes, too?

I know, Hovind says he's poor and persecuted, but he's not. Quite the opposite: he's is a rich fraud, a liar and a money grubber who has duped thousands of people into believing his financial, academic and creationist nonsense [see new thread]. It appears you're just another victim of his misinformation campaign. Don't worry, it's never too late to admit you've been fooled.
 
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The saddest part, so far is just 6:27 in when Mrs. Hovind says...

And Kent, the loving husband responds...

Then a defeated "OK" form the wife. That just sounds SO freakin' sad. What the h-e-double hockey sticks kind of a basTARD IS this guy?

I'm hoping the judge will take this into account at her sentencing. I think the judge is probably fully aware of the dynamics of this relationship and how the woman got sucked into the whirling cesspool that is Kent Hovind.
 
I hope he gets cornholed alot while in there.
That is a sick, twisted comment. Our criminal justice system provides penalties for conviction of crimes such as jail time, probaton, etc. These penalties do not include sexual abuse. Sexual abuse and physical humiliation should not be visited on anyone.

I hope you lead an absolutely perfect, clean, legal life and never get incarcerated and bunked with "Bubba" for 30 days for littering a highway.

I'd say more but Rule 8 demands I quit typing.

ETA: "alot" is not a word. Good thing crap english is not a crime.
 
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No they're not. To steal is to take by force. By not paying taxes (paying being the operative word here), you're simply not letting go of your own money.).

So you don't use public hospitals or schools. You don't use roads or drink water from a tap.

You have an obligation as a citizen to pay your taxes. It is part of living as a society.

Only because the government is too incompetent to nail them with a real crime (like murder, armed robbery, extortion).

True, but the point is they both extort people - one with a gun, the other by lying to people about a false god
 
this is from creationanswers.net
When sediment is deposited in STILL water, one horizontal layer and then the next, it can give this kind of pattern in the rock strata, with the bottom layer being the first to form and the top being the last. This does apply in some locations. But there seems to be a problem in the standard approach of evolutionary geology that this model of sedimentation has been over applied to too many locations. In Flood geology, catastrophic processes would produce circumstances in which powerful water currents would exist. Indeed even the daily tides can produce significant currents along the margins of the continents, not to mention many flood-related processes associated with volcanism, earthquakes, impacts from space, etc. The Berthault experiments show that when there is one layer of one type of particles separated from a different layer under it, that does not necessarily mean they formed one after the other in time. They can actually all form at the same time, in a horizontal progression rather than a vertical progression.
As a sedimentologist, I can tell you that this is partially true, but in geology, it is a relatively rare occurrance and the resulting layers of sediments, sometimes called "tempestites" in no way resemble the vast majority of sediments. Also, if there had been a worldwide flood, then there would be an easily correlatable layer of tempestites deposited worldwide. I promise you, no such layer exists.

As for the Grand Canyon, a simple visualization will show you that the catastrophic model is wrong. Think of what a flood looks like. It would cover the entire area. It would NOT follow a single channel, but rather would fill some areas, scour others, change directions and leave cut-and-fill deposits everywhere. Also, the debris would be scattered with a wide variety of recent remains of terrestrial animals. As we know from examination of the Grand Canyon, terrestrial deposits are limited to creatures, mostly extinct, that would be expected in rocks of their age. Since the last rocks that we can see in the canyon were formed about 200 million years ago, you would expect that they contain no examples of recent life forms, and indeed that is the case.

Certainly the geology of flood deposits is very complex, what with channelization of old deposits, but the rule of superposition still holds true except in the extremely rare case where an entire series of beds are overturned, and when that happens, they are always fractured and crumbled in places, which is never the case in the Grand Canyon area. But the geology of the Grand Canyon is relatively straighforward. Uninterrupted beds of sediment stretch for miles with no evidence of disruption, save for one large down-cutting stream which reveals the undisturbed nature of the sediments. We also have examined the sediments that were eroded from the canyon into the ocean deltas and they appear to have been deposited quite normally and regularly, certainly not by floodwaters.

You want me to go on? I can. It is true that we don't know everything about the formation of the Grand Canyon, but it is also true that it certainly was not the result of a single catastrophic flooding event.
 
sci·ence :a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws.

Ah so you are using incorrect definitions of sience to fit your goals.

Add one to the lie tally for Jesus_Freak
 
Only because the government is too incompetent to nail them with a real crime (like murder, armed robbery, extortion).

Well one of the other reasons why they couldn't do much of that for the high ups, is that they didn't do any of that, they just got the money. Now there is RICO and such to make a crime that the higher ups commit more readily.
 
Speaking of flooding...

Speaking of flooding, I remember seeing a special on PBS a few months ago about a place in the US where the ground was full of giant holes.
After doing research, they discovered that the odd landscape was due to an ancient flood. There was a glacier that had given way and the lake behind it came rushing through the valley and created the odd holes and depressions in the land.
Does anyone know the place I'm talking about? For the life of me I can't remember exactly where it was.
I would think this place could be held up as an example for what happens where huge amounts of water are flooding through an area very quickly. It certianly looks VERY different from the grand canyon.

Tam
 
Speaking of flooding, I remember seeing a special on PBS a few months ago about a place in the US where the ground was full of giant holes.
After doing research, they discovered that the odd landscape was due to an ancient flood. There was a glacier that had given way and the lake behind it came rushing through the valley and created the odd holes and depressions in the land.
Does anyone know the place I'm talking about? For the life of me I can't remember exactly where it was.
I would think this place could be held up as an example for what happens where huge amounts of water are flooding through an area very quickly. It certianly looks VERY different from the grand canyon.

Tam

There is a famous area that had a glacier act as an ice dam that broke and reformed repeatedly. The terrain features I am farmilier with from that are rolling hills like ripples in the sane

here is something about this
 
Speaking of flooding, I remember seeing a special on PBS a few months ago about a place in the US where the ground was full of giant holes.
After doing research, they discovered that the odd landscape was due to an ancient flood. There was a glacier that had given way and the lake behind it came rushing through the valley and created the odd holes and depressions in the land.
Does anyone know the place I'm talking about? For the life of me I can't remember exactly where it was.
I would think this place could be held up as an example for what happens where huge amounts of water are flooding through an area very quickly. It certianly looks VERY different from the grand canyon.

Tam
It sounds like you may be talking about glacial kettles. They are formed when great floods of glacial melt water deposit huge blocks of ice which are either partially or totally buried (still frozen) by other sediments carried in the floods. When the ice melts, it leaves a gigantic hole called a kettle (or sometimes "pothole", not to be confused with the kind you find on the road). The Kettle Moraine area of the Wisconsin Dells is absolutely covered with them.

Then of course, there are fjords.

But glacial melting can definitely cause major flooding or at least, increased run-off. Some surmise that much of the Grand Canyon was eroded when the Colorado River was greatly swelled by glacial melting after the last ice-age, causing it to be even more of a raging torrent than it is now.
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But I think you may have in mind something like what Pondering Turtle is describing.
 
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Speaking of flooding, I remember seeing a special on PBS a few months ago about a place in the US where the ground was full of giant holes.
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I would think this place could be held up as an example for what happens where huge amounts of water are flooding through an area very quickly. It certianly looks VERY different from the grand canyon.

Tam

The area is from Montana (the large lake is called "Lake Missoula"), the southern section of the state of Washington (look up "Dry Falls" and "Channelled Scablands") and northern Oregon to the coast. The PBS NOVA program was called the Mystery of the Megaflood[/b]:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/megaflood/

There is even a bit of reference to it in a cartoon called Ice Age 2, The Meltdown.

What else is cool abou that area is there is a major river, Columbia River, that cuts through the Cascade Mountain range. The Gorge looks nothing like the Grand Canyon, mostly because it cut through a series of lava flows (like the Columbia Plateau), and a different climate (though the eastern part is a desert):
http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/ColumbiaPlateau/summary_columbia_plateau.html

Anyway, it is all fascinating stuff... certainly lots more interesting than any old "40 days and 40 nights of rain". Which if you lived up here would know pretty much describes our November and December of 2006. No massive floods, but lots of trees blown over during a windstorm after having the soil satuated with rain.

Perhaps while Mr. Hovind is in prison he can take advantage of some of the educational opportunities they have there and learn about real geology.
 

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