Joseph Goebbels Would Be So Proud

[dann]

It is most definitely a restriction on free speech, just like the prohibition on showing nudity on prime time broadcasts is a restriction on free speech.

Could you please explain how nudity is required for free speech unless you're talking through your ...?

 

[FarmallMTA]

OK, he's definitely kidding, right?

I'm actually going to agree with this stopped clock. Kucinich's proposal sucks.

Kewl. That means you'll be agreeing with me twice a day now. Up dramatically from just a while ago.

The hard core left is coming around? Is hell freezing over or something?

Welcome aboard the rational logic train! Scenery's great on this ride!

 

[Darth Rotor]

Could you please explain how nudity is required for free speech unless you're talking through your ...?

There is no need to justify free speech, there is a need to justify why speech should be restricted.

DR

 

[Gurdur]

Could you please explain how nudity is required for free speech unless you're talking through your ...?

Good one! Plus there is a very good argument hidden in there, one to blow his mind.

 

[Ziggurat]

If you need more than half the time of each day to say what you would like to say, you have a slight problem with getting to the point - assuming you have one.

That's relevant in terms of evaluating how onerous the restrictions are, but NOT in terms of whether or not it's a restriction. Making it illegal to use the words "kumquat" and "zipper" in the same sentence would not prevent most people from getting their point across either (even if their point somehow involved both kumquats and zippers), but it would still be a restriction on free speech.

 

[boooeee]

Kewl. That means you'll be agreeing with me twice a day now. Up dramatically from just a while ago.

The hard core left is coming around? Is hell freezing over or something?

Welcome aboard the rational logic train! Scenery's great on this ride!

Yay! I'm part of the hard core left now. Do I get a beanie or something?

 

[FarmallMTA]

Yay! I'm part of the hard core left now. Do I get a beanie or something?

LOL. Free foil hat. Courtesy of ALCOA, charter member of the Military Industrial Complex!

 

[FarmallMTA]

That's relevant in terms of evaluating how onerous the restrictions are, but NOT in terms of whether or not it's a restriction. Making it illegal to use the words "kumquat" and "zipper" in the same sentence would not prevent most people from getting their point across either (even if their point somehow involved both kumquats and zippers), but it would still be a restriction on free speech.

As a fierce protector of the free speech rights of kumquats and zippers, I must ask you to please use another analogy.

Respectfully requested and all that.

 

[Gurdur]

As a fierce protector of the free speech rights

Oh, the drama. You work so bravely, posting messages on a bulletin board which no-one who actually matters will ever see, and by this you're fiercely defending against Goebbels, little green men from Mars and Islamic rutabagas.

Yes, well.

 

[Ziggurat]

Could you please explain how nudity is required for free speech unless you're talking through your ...?

Supreme court rulings have always indicated that the term "speech" is broadly intended to mean communicated messages, not merely spoken words, including visual ones. Ask Larry Flint about the issue if you're really curious for details.

 

[hgc]

As a fierce protector of the free speech rights of kumquats and zippers, I must ask you to please use another analogy.

Respectfully requested and all that.

If Kucinich is the threat you say he is, then you're the proportionally appropriate defender against him. Thanks for being on the case.

 

[Gurdur]

Supreme court rulings have always indicated that the term "speech" is broadly intended to mean communicated messages, not merely spoken words, including visual ones. Ask Larry Flint about the issue if you're really curious for details.

Gosh. I bet you find it really terrible then that you are not allowed to walk down Fifth Avenue NYC stark bollocks naked; in fact that indicates to me the Nazis/Commies/Islamic_rutabagas have already won, and all our hard-won freedoms are now destroyed.

 

[Ziggurat]

Gosh. I bet you find it really terrible then that you are not allowed to walk down Fifth Avenue NYC stark bollocks naked;

Which falls under the constitutionally permissible restriction on free speech known as obscenity laws. Doesn't mean nudity isn't free speech, or that free speech considerations haven't been used successfully to defend the use of nudity. I don't know why you're arguing the point anyways: I brought it up to demonstrate that restrictions on free speech in television broadcasts are constitutional, and I haven't seen that point questioned in any way.

 

[FarmallMTA]

Oh, the drama. You work so bravely, posting messages on a bulletin board which no-one who actually matters will ever see, and by this you're fiercely defending against Goebbels, little green men from Mars and Islamic rutabagas.

Yes, well.

LOL. Just against Goebbels. Not against you and you.

 

[ponderingturtle]

SO, in other words, it's naziish and commieish to try to make the market freer. Weird.[/QUOTE]

Look if Clear Channel decideds that your area does not deserve to have any reporters there, and there is an emergency who are you to question clear channel not sending out information that can save your life?

 

[ponderingturtle]

The fairness doctrine does not make the market freer. It specifically RESTRICTS the market.

It is a much freer radio market now that it is all owned by large conglomerates instead of small local ownership. That was great at getting blacks out of the radio ownership area.

 

[ponderingturtle]

I didn't say it was a free market, I said it made the market freer. Which it does. A market is just as restricted if a private entity or a few private entities are able to dominate as it would be under government domination.

No, you fail to understand that a monopoly is the purest expression of a free market.

 

[FarmallMTA]

It is a much freer radio market now that it is all owned by large conglomerates instead of small local ownership. That was great at getting blacks out of the radio ownership area.

There are six, I said SIX radio stations available for purchase in my area RIGHT NOW. Newspapers all over the nation are for sale.

You don't like what the radio station you just listened to says? Feel they're wrong? Buy one of the ones for sale and make your best case. Buy a newspaper while you're at it. They'll darn near GIVE it to you.

So how do you figure nobody can get a word in edgewise without Joseph Goebbels, er, Dennis Kucinich, making sure what he wants to hear gets heard to the exclusion of what he doesn't want to hear?

Gee, Nazi's, Commie's, and Dennis Kucinich just don't have a chance. Get used to it.

 

[Kopji]

Woohoo! a crazy guy running for office! There's someone I can vote for.

Dear Friends,
A New Year of Peace, Prosperity, Hope: All possibilities exist prospectively as we look forward to 2007.
Each one of us holds transformational capabilities to engage the world constructively through the images of the future we hold in our mind. Our thoughts have power. - Dennis
http://kucinich.us/

That makes me feel warm and hopeful all over.

And I'd be tickled to see photos like this all over of the new President and First Lady:

Can you imagine what the Lincoln bedroom would look like?
Full of beads, bongs and babes!

 

[ponderingturtle]

There are six, I said SIX radio stations available for purchase in my area RIGHT NOW. Newspapers all over the nation are for sale.

Yep, and tell that to Minot, who when there was a chemical spill, could not get any of the six radio stations owned by clear channel to get anyone to send out a message. The preprogramed music was good enough, why should clear channel care about their listeners, it is not like all that many died as a result of this.

And then there was katrina, when they had the equipment but no staff to tell people in the area what to do and where to go.

But limiting the number of stations you can own in any one market is so wrong. It would be almost like having oil companies pay to extract oil from federal land. Down right unamerican.