Sean Manchester - Vampire Hunter

[CatherineFearnley]

We hope to be Lothian. We're trying to get accounts sorted out. But in the meantime we'll have to post under this one. Just bear with us. None of us are psychic though. It's just to say that we investigate psychic and paranormal phenomena.

Catherine

 

[CatherineFearnley]

Just to say we are stopping posting till be get ourselves registered seperate,
B AND C

 

[Lothian]

We hope to be Lothian. We're trying to get accounts sorted out. But in the meantime we'll have to post under this one. Just bear with us. None of us are psychic though. It's just to say that we investigate psychic and paranormal phenomena.

Not Psychic, that is a shame. Have you found anything paranormal in your investigations (other than discovering the ley lines)?

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

In short, this is Woo War III?

 

[Clu]

This thread has been fascinating... People arguing about other people insulting some bishop who claims to be a modern day Van Helsing, anyhoo why not adress the simple absurdity of an old geezer hunting Vampyers (which we all know should be left to buffy)... all in all a very amusing thread

 

[Miss Whiplash]

What new piece of rubbish is this? I am reasonably confident that Sean Manchester has received no warning and has chased nobody's ISP. How many times do we have to read these false allegations? I could level the same accusations about you. I could say absolutely anything if I was of a mind, but that's the difference between me and you. I am not in the business of spreading malicious falsehood.

So where is the so-called "warning" that was issued? Your word will not suffice. Provide some proof for once.

Read it and weep:

Cease and Desist

The Blog Hijacking

Manchester's Coy Chambermaid Sermon Against the Family Caught in the Middle

I see your bid and raise you $10,000.

I suggest you fold.

 

[Myth Buster]

World War III? I don't think so

In short, this is Woo War III?

It's nothing of the sort. It's just a pathetic attempt to score cheap points from someone uninterested and certainly unwilling to reply (and who can really blame him?) who is viewed as a soft target because of his antiquated beliefs which, I readily admit, are no longer shared by most others in our day and age even if they were much more supported in the past by those of his persuasion.

Those jumping on the hate-bandwagon really ought to get a life, but I suppose the phenomenon of cyber-stalking and posting defamation about total strangers has become the new form of malicious gossip over the back fence or on street corners.

It's all rather sad.

 

[Timble]

If you don't want people to talk about you, you don't go on TV, or put up silly websites....I doubt that even in the past many people took the Hammer Horror version of vampires seriously. And the Holy Grail stuff is way, way off from any type of widespread Christian belief...

 

[sat556]

...antiquated beliefs which, I readily admit, are no longer shared by most others in our day and age even if they were much more supported in the past by those of his persuasion.

Do you believe the same 'antiquated beliefs'?

 

[Minarvia]

Saying "It's all rather sad" sums up Manchester pretty well, it seems. I don't know whether to feel sorry for the man or just write him off as hopeless.

 

[sat556]

How about attacking Farrant because HE THINKS HE HAS RAISED THE DEMON PAN?

Also, why do you think it's right to attack one guy and not another? Both believe in woo, yet one is a fair target?
I'd also like to know why, if Manchester doesn't feel the need to come here and defend himself, that you feel the need to do it for him? He knows this thread is here.

 

[brodski]

It's nothing of the sort. It's just a pathetic attempt to score cheap points from someone uninterested and certainly unwilling to reply (and who can really blame him?) who is viewed as a soft target because of his antiquated beliefs which, I readily admit, are no longer shared by most others in our day and age even if they were much more supported in the past by those of his persuasion.

Those jumping on the hate-bandwagon really ought to get a life, but I suppose the phenomenon of cyber-stalking and posting defamation about total strangers has become the new form of malicious gossip over the back fence or on street corners.

It's all rather sad.

Talk of cyber -stalking coming from Manchester's camp is a little rich, especially given the last link which The Vampire provided.
Anyway, has it occurred to you that we are interested in ALL paranormal claims here, and in preventing people from selling lies to the public (even if those selling the lies believe them themselves) Manchester has made himself quiet the media a career by claiming to battle vampires. he puts his claims out there in the public domain, he should expect criticism, the fact that some aspects of his delusions have a long history (other aspects date to, ohh, lets say 1897) does not make them any more true.
The fact that Manchester seeks to close down any discussion of his sordid activities and bizarre claims, like some half hearted Robert Maxwell, just makes discussing him even more appealing.
The fact that there are other self proclaimed "vampire hunters" out there who are as, or even more, deluded than Manchester does noting to improve his creadbility or bolster his claims. It just shows that he's one deluded paranoid fantasist amongst several.

(I'll tell you what though, it's a good job that you aren't the barmy bishop himself, as if he where a member here, i probably wouldn't be allowed to express myself quiet so freely about the deluded old codger)

 

[Barbula]

It's amusing that a 35 year old slapfest between British 'vampire hunters' has spilled into JREF, of all places. It's been informative, and just a little creepy.

But as Pat said, nearly two years ago, in the AMCGLTD blog comments:
"OMG now you have them on another thread. This is completely crazy. How do you get them to go away.[?]"

 

[brodski]

I presume you are the Barbara of C&B now with your own account?

Welcome.

It's amusing that a 35 year old slapfest between British 'vampire hunters' has spilled into JREF, of all places. It's been informative, and just a little creepy.

But as Pat said, nearly two years ago, in the AMCGLTD blog comments:
"OMG now you have them on another thread. This is completely crazy. How do you get them to go away.[?]"

Well we do love all manner of crazy at the JREF forums, and to be honest I've seen people even more deluded than "Vampire Hunters" post here.
The thing is, if Manchester wasn't so hell bent on shutting down criticism of his wacky beliefs, he wouldn't get half the negative comment which he does.

 

[Barbula]

I presume you are the Barbara of C&B now with your own account?

Welcome.

Thanks for the welcome, but no - not the Barbara in this thread.

I'm male and American and extremely skeptical of vampires, let alone vampire hunters.

 

[brodski]

Thanks for the welcome, but no - not the Barbara in this thread.

I'm male and American and extremely skeptical of vampires, let alone vampire hunters.

Ah, ok. Well welcome!
(I assumed that Barbula was a contraction of Barbara and Dracula, and what with the Jan joined date...)

 

[Miss Whiplash]

It's amusing that a 35 year old slapfest between British 'vampire hunters' has spilled into JREF, of all places. It's been informative, and just a little creepy.

But as Pat said, nearly two years ago, in the AMCGLTD blog comments:
"OMG now you have them on another thread. This is completely crazy. How do you get them to go away.[?]"

Welcome to the forum! This is going to be one heck of an article if I can ever get the thing written!

 

[Arkan_Wolfshade]

If you don't want people to talk about you, you don't go on TV, or put up silly websites....I doubt that even in the past many people took the Hammer Horror version of vampires seriously. And the Holy Grail stuff is way, way off from any type of widespread Christian belief...

This is an important point that bears repeating. By becoming a public figure, Manchester has opened himself to a whole drekload of criticism.

 

[Skeptic Guy]

Well, well, well, where to begin? I was going to stay on the sidelines and watch until I saw the bit about "naked females splattered with blood cavorting over graves in Highgate Cemetery". That got my attention. It sounds like the kind of party I never got invited to in college and I'd hate to miss out now.

The man thinks that vampires are real, and that he has "exorcized" them, that counts as loony in my book.
Further more, calling someone a "loony" can be deemed to be a "base insult" and therefore not actionable under UK law. Insinuating that someone ahs links with neo-Nazi terrorist organizations on the other hand, is a different matter entirely.

Don't think for a moment that we are supporting one vampire hunter over another, they all appears to be deluded, Manchester gets more attention from sceptics than other (possibly more deluded) "vampire hunters", as he has a much higher media profile.

I think this is the crux of the document. It could be that Manchester is a bishop for the Independent Old Catholic Church, I don't know, but it's irrelevant. I have a friend that is an "ordained" minister of a small church somewhere in the US. He sent in $20 by mail and got back a certificate making him a minister. He marries people now. I think Manchester is probably of the same ilk. But since one man's religion is another man's fantasy, it really doesn't matter.

But that's besides the point. As Brodski points out, Manchester seems to think that Vampires are real, that he has found them, killed them, and lived to write about it.

How about attacking him because HE THINKS HE FIGHTS VAMPIERS?
Debunking him seems a reasonable activity for those engaged in skeptical activism.

So, Myth (or is it Sean?) let's choose a topic and see if we can run it to ground.

What evidence does Manchester have of Vampires and their existence? Can you please show it to us so that we can consider it. I think there may even be a million dollars in it for him (but does he meant the new qualifications), but it's going to take more than the plot from a Buffy show to get it.

To balance the links for the unbalanced:

http://www.davidfarrant.org/

Timble, that's a cool medallion, isn't it?

<SNIP> attempted to raise them in occult ceremonies involving naked females splattered with blood cavorting over graves in Highgate Cemetery. <SNIP>

Evidence? Please, please, please...

Oh, come on, that's the oldest piece of guff in the book.... :lol

Top secret, MI6 and all that...

Purely co-incidence that this quote from
http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2256272&postcount=26
:


is identical to this quote from the enormously long Wikipedia discussion page on the "Highgate Vampire"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:H...le_according_to_User:Vampire_Research_Society


Signed by user: Vampire Research Society.

<SNIP>

Snap! Looks like Sean/Myth has some 'splainen' to do.


So how about it? Let's focus the thread on what this forum does best, using critical thinking to see if there is any truth in the paranormal. To date the evidence has been pretty thin, but maybe today's the day that all changes.

Myth?

 

[Lisa Simpson]

I think this is the crux of the document. It could be that Manchester is a bishop for the Independent Old Catholic Church, I don't know, but it's irrelevant. I have a friend that is an "ordained" minister of a small church somewhere in the US. He sent in $20 by mail and got back a certificate making him a minister. He marries people now. I think Manchester is probably of the same ilk. But since one man's religion is another man's fantasy, it really doesn't matter.

Paid $20?!?!?! Wow. I got my ordination for free.