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Dylan starts to get pissy

Silver, you're actually right on the money. Dylan is waiting until he squeezes every last bit of money from his current situation. One of his crew already has a patriot radio show.

The day he releases his final version is the day he kills his conspiracy street cred.
 
That has me thinking, since a DVD costs about $17.95 plus shipping (I think), how much profit is Dylan and his 3 cronies making? If he says that he's spending his own money to educate people, why doesn't he simply put together another investigation with his "experts" and conspiracy theorists? It should be interesting to watch...
 
The Silver Shadow said:
Dylan doesn't believe in the CT movement anymore, he just wants to stick around and make money...

Don't ask how I know, I did my research </Conspiracy theorist>
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You may be right - his conscience could be the reason
for his zombie performance on the Hardfire-Show.
 
Oliver said:
You may be right - his conscience could be the reason
for his zombie performance on the Hardfire-Show.
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I watched that show thinking he was about to own up any second. I would love him to have the courage to just admit that he was misguided in what he has done so far, and that further reflection and thinking has led him to agree with Gravy. I would have some respect for him, and he would probably regain some lost credibility, and also become so much more famous, if he was to take up the correct fight for the families of the 911 victims now. He could publicise why he was wrong, and how he finally came to understand that fact.

If he wants fame, then this would be a great way to get it. If he wants to fade into the background and hide his face, he would surely be left alone if he said publicly he no longer supported the loose change vision; after the initial furore.

I could be wrong. Maybe he does still hang on to that belief because he has so much riding on it now. But he didn't engage in that debate with much enthusiasm, and seemed embarressed by the position he was there to defend.
 
chillzero said:
I watched that show thinking he was about to own up any second. I would love him to have the courage to just admit that he was misguided in what he has done so far, and that further reflection and thinking has led him to agree with Gravy. I would have some respect for him, and he would probably regain some lost credibility, and also become so much more famous, if he was to take up the correct fight for the families of the 911 victims now. He could publicise why he was wrong, and how he finally came to understand that fact.

If he wants fame, then this would be a great way to get it. If he wants to fade into the background and hide his face, he would surely be left alone if he said publicly he no longer supported the loose change vision; after the initial furore.

I could be wrong. Maybe he does still hang on to that belief because he has so much riding on it now. But he didn't engage in that debate with much enthusiasm, and seemed embarressed by the position he was there to defend.
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He still hangs on it because his whole social environment.
If he would say that everything was BS, he would ruin the
whole movement. On the other side there is a lot of financial
responsibility and much money in it if it goes into the cinemas.

I guess money is not his main matter - but i don´t believe that
all his connections do think the same.

ETA: A pretty ugly situation if your conscience tells you
"This is not me. I´m on the wrong way".
 
Oliver said:
He still hangs on it because his whole social environment.
If he would say that everything was BS, he would ruin the
whole movement.
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I agree.
But, I think that ruining the whole movement would be a positive thing - for him as well as the non-CTists.

Oliver said:
On the other side there is a lot of financial
responsibility and much money in it if it goes into the cinemas.

I guess money is not his main matter - but i don´t believe that
all his connections do think the same.
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I am not so clear on his financial obligations, etc, but again, I think that if he were to be the man who decided to stand up for what was right and not just let the pressure of things he had previously set up direct him, then he would earn a place in history. If his motive is fame - that's his ticket; a more honourable place in history than the person who continued to flog the CT horse beyond reason. If his motive is money, imagine where that profile could now take him; boks, chat shows, his biography, etc. If his motive is truth - well, he would stand up and admit that, and help get the misinformation out there corrected.
 
Hehe, I totally misread the title to this thread at first glance. I thought it was about the real reason Dylan got into the 9/11 CT biz... what a difference one letter makes! :boxedin:
 
It can be done. Our very own JAStewart is proof of that. If Dylan were a stand-up guy, he'd say "OK, I was wrong about this. I put out a misleading video, and I'm sorry about that. I got my head turned by the attention and I couldn't help myself. The whole thing became way bigger than I ever intended it to be. I apologize to the families of those who died that day."

He does know his stuff, plus he knows the personalities of the other guys. He'd make a super debunker if we could turn him.

Come on over to the dark side, Dylan. We have cookies. (shamelessly stolen from someone's avatar, LashL I think)
 
chillzero said:
I am not so clear on his financial obligations, etc, but again, I think that if he were to be the man who decided to stand up for what was right and not just let the pressure of things he had previously set up direct him, then he would earn a place in history. If his motive is fame - that's his ticket; a more honourable place in history than the person who continued to flog the CT horse beyond reason. If his motive is money, imagine where that profile could now take him; boks, chat shows, his biography, etc. If his motive is truth - well, he would stand up and admit that, and help get the misinformation out there corrected.
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I highly guess that there are a lot of financial interests
from multiple sides involved - but he seems to be the
decent type of guy with a good "upbringing".

If he want fame - he still could get it, but he had to be
honest to himself and others first to find a good, new base
to continue with a new focus. Maybe a real issue like real
political issues that goes along with the "NWO" globalization.

Loose Change still has a trendy style and goes with the spirit
(Zeitgeist) of his generation. He would be dumb if he wouldn´t
use this natural talent.
 
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well, in the e-mails I had with Dylan after getting banned, I speculated that he was doing this for the money, and then he lashed back, quite angrily, saying that I indeed WAS interested in his finances. Every time I asked him for the scientific evidence, he was saying things like I was a waste of time and other things. He never replied to me after I tried to make some damning allegations. So much the better, right?
 
The Silver Shadow said:
well, in the e-mails I had with Dylan after getting banned, I speculated that he was doing this for the money, and then he lashed back, quite angrily, saying that I indeed WAS interested in his finances. Every time I asked him for the scientific evidence, he was saying things like I was a waste of time and other things. He never replied to me after I tried to make some damning allegations. So much the better, right?
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What did you ask him that he replied saying "you were interested
in his finances"? By the way: What was your Nick over there?
 
I was The Silver Shadow on the LC forums as well (My avatar was Kimi Raikkonen, F1 driver). I took a bit of a cheap shot against Dylan and said that he probably doesn't believe what he says and that he's probably doing this for the money.

He replies back by saying that he spent $30,000 in one weekend educating people.

I said whatever, his finances didn't interest me, now where's that scientific evidence?

He replied back that I am interested in his finances otherwise I wouldn't have mentioned it.

I come back by saying that I was speculating, much like his films, now where's that scientific evidence?

His final reply is that if he were to prove 9/11 to the likes of me, he wouldn't get anything done :rolleyes:
 
$30,000 to "educate" people. Teachers dont even get paid that much in a year's salary, and they teach kids to be critical thinkers and of course, to be smarter than he is!
 
Arus808 said:
$30,000 to "educate" people. Teachers dont even get paid that much in a year's salary, and they teach kids to be critical thinkers and of course, to be smarter than he is!
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Boy, you Americans pay your teachers poorly then.
 
yup..

starting salary (for "hawaii teachers" ) is $28,000 / yr.

Sad really. which is why we lost over 20% of our teachers to private schools, mainland schools and the like.

Starting salary for a Police officer in Hawaii is only $33,000 / yr....and of course any "overtime" they take.

3rd expensive economy to live in; like 48th in the nation for competing wages.
 
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