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Is Jowenko Echt Woowoo?

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This was posted by a fantasist who imagines that there is a human alive somewhere who would be willing to pay me to post on 911blogger.com (needless to say, if such a philanthropist can be found, I'm at his disposal).
Can it be true that Jowenko really is a loon? I intend to try contacting him by phone. He hasn't responded to e-mails. More to follow...


"The person who made the call was an official 9/11 conspiracy theorist who uses the handle "Jay Ref" at the www.nineeleven.co.uk message forums and has 500 + posts to his name defending the government's BS. Why would he lie about contacting Jowneko? He's on your team, Ron. But go ahead and contact "Jay Ref" to get further corroboration that the call was placed if you don't believe him:
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=705&sid...
This is what Jay Ref stated immediately after contacting controlled demolition expert Danny Jowenko:
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Jay Ref
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 6:59 pm
I just had a nice chat with Mr. Jowenko. He speaks very good english and amazingly enough was in his office this late.
If you don't believe that, then you'll never believe this:
He is still of the firm conviction that WTC7 was a CD...even after he had time to put the event in context. He cited "intelligence operations" that needed to be covered up and does firmly believe in the CT.
You guys win one. You have an actual explosive expert on record. Congrats. You've made a fool out of what sounds like a very nice and accomplished gentleman.
It changes nothing though....you have one gullible expert...
http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=23331&sid=4f93ab55d068...
Jay Ref
Joined: 20 Jul 2006
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Posted: Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:41 pm
NOTE: I expect we will be discussing Jowenko at length over @ JREF. You guys want to come over there and lurk feel free.
I'll give you this much...you've bamboozled someone who should have laughed in your faces.
Poor Mr. Jowenko...he's gonna have some explaining to do when his peers start picking his opinion apart.
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http://www.nineeleven.co.uk/board/viewtopic.php?p=23346&sid=4f93ab55d068...
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Or you can save yourself some time and instead contact Jay Ref at the JREF message board. He's known as "rikzilla" to the OCTers over there. I'm sure you know who he is, Ron. I know for a fact Mark Roberts does:
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Posted 14th September 2006, 01:19 PM
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I then called Jowenko Inc posing as a reporter for the Washington Post (my bad, but hey I figured I might get an on-the-record comment) To my amazement I was put right thru to Mr. Jowenko. He's a very nice gentleman who speaks great english. I told him that WTC7 burned extensively and had a gaping 20 story hole in it...I told him just about all I knew of the building from my own research. The fires fed by fuel tanks...the arangement of the columns to accomidate the pre-existing Con-Ed substation....
The guy then went on the record saying that he thinks that "due to the intelligence operations housed in that building it was brought down by a controlled demolition"
That my friends is a direct quote from his mouth to my ear about 5 mins ago!
I'm rather stunned! They picked one off!
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63884
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Posted 14th September 2006, 01:33 PM
Originally Posted by Gravy
"We must let him know that the demolitions experts who were on the scene disagree!'
Gravy...I misrepresented myself to him since I really thought he'd just tell me
he had a first impression that was wrong and has since changed his mind. Now I can't possibly argue too much with him as remember I'm a reporter looking for an on the record comment. He gave it to me. What am I to say now?
I did a bad thing...at least I feel kinda dirty for lying to the guy...please feel free to contact him Gravy. I told him all I could to insure he had context. the fires..the hole...the fuel...the debris strikes...the Con-Ed substation....everything!
I honestly don't know what more I can stay...and I started with a lie for which I'm pretty sorry on retrospect.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1922478&postcount=10
rikzilla
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Posted 16th September 2006, 07:35 PM
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I found myself feeling sorry for Jowenko towards the end of my short interview of him. He is actually quite adamant that WTC7 was a CD. He had no reservations whatsoever about being put "on the record" by a newspaper reporter.
This was precisely why I did the reporter bit: #1 it gave me access to Danny Jowenko himself. #2 If he told me anything he would know that his words could be made very public.
I expected him to mull this idea of a controversial statement to the press. He didn't. He was very charming,..and quite convincing...
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I expected Jowenko would express dismay that people were passing his reaction on film off as something it wasn't. Instead I found him to be completely taken in by the CTists....so yeah...I'm sorry for him as he seems a nice bloke who now will have to defend an indefensible opinion to his peers. He'll be a laughingstock....or at the least his reputation will suffer mightily.
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http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1928736&postcount=126
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Is your buddy "rikzilla" lying, Ronald?
Ron, be a sport and post Jay Ref a.k.a. "rikzilla's" response here about whether or not he made the call to Mr. Jowenko after you contact him.
By the way, Ronald, you didn't answer my "yes" or "no" question about whether or not you've ever been compensated to post at 911Blogger.com. So I'll ask again, have you ever received payment to post here? Yes or no?"

Submitted by stallion4 on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 5:53am.

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Maybe Jowenko is Really a Nut


I have never heard of Jay Ref, but if he's the rationalist he claims to be, then I'm forced to conclude that Jowenko is simply an idiot. I still see a huge problem for conspiracy liars. Jowenko, like EVERYONE else in the demolition industry, has stated that the collapses of the Twin Towers look nothing like controlled demolitions. So, you have a guy who tears the heart out of your bogus position, while claiming that an obscure building unknown outside NYC was brought down for purposes that defy explanation.
Your question about my imaginary compensation remains extremely stupid.

Submitted by Ronald Wieck on Fri, 01/12/2007 - 8:09am.



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Frankly i don´t believe in any rumour on 911blogger
until there are confirming, neutral sources, an official
press release or a Video/Soundfile from Jowenko.

Too bad that his companies site does not provide any
press information - so i will take a look if i can find
any non-woowoo source confirming the rumour.

Amazing that the CT´ists only use him as long he
speaks "their language". :rolleyes:

ETA: http://www.jowenko.nl/
 
Oliver said:
Amazing that the CT´ists only use him as long he
speaks "their language". :rolleyes:
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If he came out against the demolition theory they would call him a shill and discount his words completely.
 
twinstead said:
If he came out against the demolition theory they would call him a shill and discount his words completely.
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How can they praise his statements about WTC7 and
completely ignore his statements on WTC1&2?

One Word ... TWOOF™
 
The Twoofers will say that someone "got to him" if he changes his mind, no matter how vehemently he repudiates them. Just like they did with that other poor (rule8), I forget his name. The guy who said that "this [comment] has been an albatross around my neck for three years."
 
The Mystery of Danny Jowenko

Update:

I managed to reach Danny Jowenko. He is a true gentleman, someone whose patience and courtesy makes me regret calling him a woowoo. Sadly, I must report that he believes that the collapse of WTC 7 "looks man-made." He did acknowledge that information obtained from a Dutch documentary formed his opinion initially, but he says that he has received e-mails from Americans on both sides of the issue. He agreed to look at the photos and analysis on debunking911.com and 911myths.com.

I don't know what to think. He agrees that real jihadists flew planes into the Twin Towers. He regards the remote-controlled drone crap and the laser beams from outer space as lunacy. But, he is stuck on the notion that there were some sort of secret intelligence findings housed in building 7 that "officials" didn't want the public to know about, which accounts for bringing down the building in a manner that harmed no one. He tends to minimize the damage to the building and seemed unaware of the fuel tanks.

So, we have someone who doesn't believe that the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy orchestrated the attacks, but who thinks that WTC 7 was destroyed to prevent certain vague information from getting out.

Frankly, I'm gobsmacked:confused: .
 
pomeroo said:
Update:

I managed to reach Danny Jowenko. He is a true gentleman, someone whose patience and courtesy makes me regret calling him a woowoo. Sadly, I must report that he believes that the collapse of WTC 7 "looks man-made." He did acknowledge that information obtained from a Dutch documentary formed his opinion initially, but he says that he has received e-mails from Americans on both sides of the issue. He agreed to look at the photos and analysis on debunking911.com and 911myths.com.

I don't know what to think. He agrees that real jihadists flew planes into the Twin Towers. He regards the remote-controlled drone crap and the laser beams from outer space as lunacy. But, he is stuck on the notion that there were some sort of secret intelligence findings housed in building 7 that "officials" didn't want the public to know about, which accounts for bringing down the building in a manner that harmed no one. He tends to minimize the damage to the building and seemed unaware of the fuel tanks.

So, we have someone who doesn't believe that the Impossibly Vast Conspiracy orchestrated the attacks, but who thinks that WTC 7 was destroyed to prevent certain vague information from getting out.

Frankly, I'm gobsmacked:confused: .
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It is surprising, but it shows The Power Of The First Impression. He made his mind up, and now he's stuck with it.

The idea that the building was demolished by a hit squad that ran in and planted explosives is silly, but not as silly as the twin towers demoliton theory. It's just possible to believe it and still be remotely sane.

If he were wise, he'd own up and accept that his immediate reaction was wrong. Sadly, the man will be tainted by this, one way or another, for the rest of his career.
 
Nope ... I didn´t find any reliable source for the rumour
that he still believe in this WTC7/CD humbug. As far i
remember, he refused it - but i don´t remind the source
where i read it.
 
einsteen said:
A loon, WTF fo you mean ? He is just a cd expert doing it 27 years, check his videos

http://www.jowenko.com/index.php/1,16,1

He is a supporter of the offical story, check his wtc1,2 interview. wtc7 is a total different story.
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On WTC7 he is only one among many - and from what Ron has to say he doesn't seem to be very familiar with the damage to WTC7 and the extent of the fire.

Once the final WTC7 NIST report comes out, I'm hoping that someone can get him to read it and give his reaction.
 
Sad but True

Oliver said:
Nope ... I didn´t find any reliable source for the rumour
that he still believe in this WTC7/CD humbug. As far i
remember, he refused it - but i don´t remind the source
where i read it.
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Oliver, I just had a phone conversation with Jowenko.
 
Creeping Suspicion

Perhaps some of you have experienced the sort of embarrassment I feel right now. I have been arguing with a clown on 911blogger.com who posts as "stallion-something-or-other." It is increasingly clear that he can't be more than fourteen years old (for his sake, I hope that's true). Jee-sus! I think I need to take a break.
 
pomeroo said:
Perhaps some of you have experienced the sort of embarrassment I feel right now. I have been arguing with a clown on 911blogger.com who posts as "stallion-something-or-other." It is increasingly clear that he can't be more than fourteen years old (for his sake, I hope that's true). Jee-sus! I think I need to take a break.
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Maybe you spend less time in blogs. Personally i prefer
to weaken the base instead talking to every teenie who
comes along with the same old stuff - which would drive
me crazy after a pretty short time. :D
 
The thing that can be even more shocking is when they turn out not to be teenagers. Pdoherty76 is 30, 28th Kingdom is in is 40s I think, Pagan (who has just shown up) is 46, Lyte Trip is 28 and Merc is older (30s I think), Ace Baker (aka Truthseeker1234) is also in his 30s as far as I know and making a living as a musician.

A lot of them have one or more children, and some have wives that haven't left them.
 
maccy said:
*snip* ...some have wives that haven't left them.
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Well, here it is - that´s the perfect explanation why these
people believe in a worldwide conspiracy peace and freedom... :D
 
maccy said:
The thing that can be even more shocking is when they turn out not to be teenagers. Pdoherty76 is 30, 28th Kingdom is in is 40s I think, Pagan (who has just shown up) is 46, Lyte Trip is 28 and Merc is older (30s I think), Ace Baker (aka Truthseeker1234) is also in his 30s as far as I know and making a living as a musician.

A lot of them have one or more children, and some have wives that haven't left them.
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They claim.... they claim. They all write, and construct arguments, like teenagers, and have world-views that are decidedly juvenile.

For the record: http://www.rdg.ac.uk/BR/Body_and_Representation/staff/staff_list.htm

This link (slightly out of date, but still) shows that I am who I say I am. I'm sure 28k and the others couldn't do the same. Killtown won't even give his name.
 
Young at Mind

maccy said:
The thing that can be even more shocking is when they turn out not to be teenagers. Pdoherty76 is 30, 28th Kingdom is in is 40s I think, Pagan (who has just shown up) is 46, Lyte Trip is 28 and Merc is older (30s I think), Ace Baker (aka Truthseeker1234) is also in his 30s as far as I know and making a living as a musician.

A lot of them have one or more children, and some have wives that haven't left them.
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Judging by their reasoning abilities and syntax, I suspect that many of them are very young. I was momentarily taken aback when "rebel" seemed offended that some of the myths he holds dear were objects of ridicule here. Could you or any other rationalist imagine being so ashamed of an article of faith that the thought of airing it outside a protected circle of true believers would make you cringe? The fantasists sense that their nonsense is indefensible, but their emotional commitment is so great that they can't take the logical next step of abandoning it.
 
maccy said:
The thing that can be even more shocking is when they turn out not to be teenagers. Pdoherty76 is 30, 28th Kingdom is in is 40s I think, Pagan (who has just shown up) is 46, Lyte Trip is 28 and Merc is older (30s I think), Ace Baker (aka Truthseeker1234) is also in his 30s as far as I know and making a living as a musician.

A lot of them have one or more children, and some have wives that haven't left them.
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Yet.
 
mattlodder said:
They claim.... they claim. They all write, and construct arguments, like teenagers, and have world-views that are decidedly juvenile.

For the record: http://www.rdg.ac.uk/BR/Body_and_Representation/staff/staff_list.htm

This link (slightly out of date, but still) shows that I am who I say I am. I'm sure 28k and the others couldn't do the same. Killtown won't even give his name.
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I though John Holmes was dead, turns out he's teaching English and American Literature.

His bio

Dr John Holmes is the author of a monograph on Sexuality, Belief and the Self in the Late Victorian Sonnet-Sequence (Ashgate, forthcoming), as well as various articles on Renaissance and Victorian literary culture. He is particularly interested in sexuality and sexual identity, imperialism and colonial encounters, and the intersection of literature and science. He teaches widely within the nineteenth century, and is the convenor of a module on ‘Nation and Empire’ on the MA in Victorian Literature and Culture.

Spring Term:

Module 4 Week 2
The Fleshly School of Poetry


:D
 
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